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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2006, 09:03:12 AM »
Seem to have an influx of Construction/Developers moving to the West Bank.  So far, there is the County Engineers (Civil Eng), Dick Corportation (construction), Coral (Developer), Krill (Construction).  Being in the industry that I am, I have had to spend alot of time on the West Bank lately.  At least more than I though I ever would....especially during weekday daylight hours.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2006, 10:47:20 AM »
Word received today that the Coral Company is relocating their offices to the Flats West Bank. Don't have further details yet.

Wow, very exciting!  I've considered going for jobs with several developers and when I read that they're in Beachwood or Solon or something I just look right past them.  Cedar Center wouldn't have been as bad as Beachwood, but the Flats West Bank is excellent!

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« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2006, 11:06:08 AM »
I find this a little odd considering that they were going to occupy space at Cedar Center. Maybe they found another tenant for that space.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2006, 11:32:45 AM »
Disregard. My editor mispronounced the name. It's Krill Company, and that move has already been announced. Sorry for the error.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2006, 11:51:01 AM »
boo!  go back to the suburbs Coral!

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2006, 07:09:18 AM »
Crains Cleveland article today, cant access it though

"Lot purchases set K&D Flats plan in motion"

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #41 on: July 24, 2006, 07:39:21 AM »
Lot purchases set K&D Flats plan in motion
Apartment developer, Nautica officials in talks to execute West Bank improvement
By STAN BULLARD
6:00 am, July 24, 2006

Apartment and condo developer K&D Group is snatching up property and is talking with Nautica entertainment complex owner Jeff Jacobs to map out steps the two largest landowners on the West Bank of the Flats can take to prepare the area for more redevelopment.

K&D already has opened its wallet to buy a ¾-acre parking lot at River, Center and Elm streets in order to extend its reach along the West Bank. The lot K&D bought June 21 from Riverfront West Partners for $320,000 is more than a quarter-mile north toward Lake Erie from its 500-unit Stonebridge Apartments and Condominium complex, which hugs the Cuyahoga River....

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #42 on: July 24, 2006, 07:49:28 AM »
^Love that last quote -- Corna is exactly right. It doesn't sound like he's asking industries to move if they don't want to, so I don't understand why Barricelli et al. are so upset.
Great to hear about this moving along! I have more confidence in this project happening than in just about any other downtown, because of K&D's record of quiet accomplishment.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #43 on: July 24, 2006, 08:23:28 AM »
I really like this whole building by building approach.  a dense neighborhood full of well designed 8-12 story buildings will be great for the flats.  Im wondering whats going to happen in regard to the gambling issue though.  what if it doesnt pass, and i dont think it will, will Nautica be interested in doing something else with the property?


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« Reply #44 on: July 24, 2006, 12:19:28 PM »
“It would be hard” to co-exist, said Mr. Plotz, who quickly added, “I’m not sure I want to hear this” when he was told about K&D’s parking lot purchase.

The drama! It sounded like the guy might have fainted, lol. Some people would have our waterfront look like a broken cinderblock forever.

Seriously though, a residential-industrial-retail mix could easily work there. The ships, the train, Lake Erie, the River, the huge piles of whatever at the Port, etc-- they are all scenic in their own way. It's all part of the fabric of the Flats that make the area so unique. 

Anyway, perhaps a specific industrial access road or tunnel to handle the large trucks would benefit both residents and local businesses alike.



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« Reply #45 on: July 24, 2006, 12:24:14 PM »
p.s. Why do I have the feeling that if the Casino vote passes, the West Bank can look forward to more stunning new buildings in the great, archetectual stylings of Christies Cabaret?

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« Reply #46 on: July 24, 2006, 12:28:24 PM »
I do think that this is an issue. There are so many semi trucks that traverse the flats every day. They are the lifeblood to many of the industrial businesses that Cleveland needs.  These messy, dusty and loud vehicles take away from the residential experience.  I wonder how much KD takes this into account when planning out this huge project. Don't get me wrong, I am all for a beautiful residential west bank. However, we can't chase away hundreds of jobs to do so.  We need a port/east bank/west bank/whiskey island masterplan that keeps the city's overall interests in mind.

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« Reply #47 on: July 24, 2006, 01:25:05 PM »
..  I wonder how much KD takes this into account when planning out this huge project. ..
you guys and your "details" . I will say it again (as I may not have said it on this thread!)- these folks are more visionaries than detail people. But your point is excellent and should be considered. I wonder if they can have some different routes for trucks.  for what it is worth the truck traffic is busiest during the week, when most people are at work. still while most us like the industrial aspects of barges, bridges and even trains, air brakes screeching on semis is not as endearing. That horrible blind 4 way diagonally skewed intersection where Washington W. 25th and another street (name?)meet  needs something to be done to it. It is already bad enough with all the trucks California stopping their way through it. Add a few thousand people to the mix? nightmare.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #48 on: July 24, 2006, 01:52:14 PM »
i wonder if anyone is thinking of starting up trolley service under the detroit-superior bridge as part of this masterplan?

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« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2006, 02:06:31 PM »
Good point, Wim. It would be interesting to tally up exactly how many industrial businesses are left down there, how much truck traffic they generate and what routes those trucks use. If everyone could work together, I bet trucks could be routed onto certain roads where little or no residential development is planned.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2006, 02:18:47 PM »
i wonder if anyone is thinking of starting up trolley service under the detroit-superior bridge as part of this masterplan?

At the West Shoreway meeting last week, somebody asked Craig Hebrebrand this question (but in regards to the shore project). He said no and 'seemed' surprised to hear it. Like nobody ever thogouht of that before.

Good point, Wim. It would be interesting to tally up exactly how many industrial businesses are left down there, how much truck traffic they generate and what routes those trucks use. If everyone could work together, I bet trucks could be routed onto certain roads where little or no residential development is planned.

I thought the Cuyahoga River Valley Intermodal Connector study and Quigley Road Connector were addressing all of this.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2006, 02:34:16 PM »
Good point, Wim. It would be interesting to tally up exactly how many industrial businesses are left down there, how much truck traffic they generate and what routes those trucks use. If everyone could work together, I bet trucks could be routed onto certain roads where little or no residential development is planned.

I thought the Cuyahoga River Valley Intermodal Connector study and Quigley Road Connector were addressing all of this.

I was going to suggest that's probably what's going to be needed for moving the truck traffic remaining in the Flats as the West Bank project proceeds. And, Corna mentioned to me that the aggregates businesses can literally be located anywhere along a waterfront, though the port island is probably the best place for it.

And, nice to see Crain's has finally caught up to this story!  :wink:
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2006, 05:58:04 PM »
Everything thats in the flats now can co-exist fine.  Adding a little bit of retail would be fine.  The problem would be the casinos.  Car traffic all day long in a port area that sees a lot of truck traffic would not be a smart move.  Little granny coming to the flats to drop a few nickels in machines would likely get crushed underneath a dump truck.  Personally, if we're going to have slots in OH, keep it at the horse tracks.

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« Reply #53 on: July 24, 2006, 06:02:11 PM »
^Right on.  And it would be so not-cool if the huge parking demands of a casino blocked the growth of the K&D projects.  I'm definitely hoping Jacobs doesn't get his cash cow down there.  If there needs to be a casino in town, put in the Muny lot so it can be part of the waterfront line tourist corridor (and so the minimum wage, zero benefits employees can get there easily).
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2006, 07:39:34 PM »
it is nice that another media outlet is pickin up on this story!  first, KJP Enterprises, then Crains... someday, the PD may even find out about it!

I, too, thought about the intermodal connector when reading the above posts.  The final product wouldn't remove industrial traffic from this area, but it would certainly provide a more clearly designated, efficient route to follow.

In addition, we should keep in mind that the first project K&D did down there was the County Engineer's building.  I'm quite certain that they chose that location for reasons of convenience and that they don't mind a little industrial traffic.  Heck, it may even inspire them to work harder!  So, with that in mind, I'm hoping that K&D has a little more commercial space planned for the northward expansion.  This would not only buffer the industrial from the residential uses, but it could also fill one of those office niches we like to talk about.

That, and a little more planned greenspace between the river and Wendy Park couldn't hurt!
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« Reply #55 on: July 24, 2006, 08:08:06 PM »
I, too, thought about the intermodal connector when reading the above posts.  The final product wouldn't remove industrial traffic from this area, but it would certainly provide a more clearly designated, efficient route to follow.

And running below street level, as the proposed routing I've seen would have it use the former Erie-Lackawanna RR right of way. That railroad ran north to the erstwhile ore docks on the old river channel. The docks had Hulett unloaders too, and were located next to the Garrett Morgan water intake plant.

I'd like to see the Flats Intermodal Connector be built for trucks and trains, with rails in the pavement, to provide a freight route to the new port island.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #56 on: July 25, 2006, 12:29:22 AM »
To be fair to the industrial side....
I have heard of places that are cool, for whatever reason, and people want to live near it.  Then more and more people want to live there, because that is the new area of town.  Suddenly, the reason it was a draw for people, becomes a problem for the second or third wave of people, who spent all sorts of money to live in the hot new area.  Then they complain about the problem and have the "problem" removed from their community.

I know of this from bars and entertainment areas, but I think the possibility exists in the Flats as well.  But the K&D guys know what they are doing, so I think they will, in time, be able to put the industrial owners minds to rest.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #57 on: August 30, 2006, 02:53:35 PM »
Here comes the announcement (copied from a graphics-laden PDF invitation)...
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You'll soon receive your personal invitation to a major announcement about
STONEBRIDGE
Condominiums [] Apartments
Commercial [] Retail
And the redevelopment of the West Bank of the Flats
Held on Superior Viaduct
4:00PM, Thursday, Sept. 21
Followed by
a reception and party
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #58 on: August 30, 2006, 02:55:43 PM »
Is this an open invitation?

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« Reply #59 on: August 30, 2006, 02:59:40 PM »
I don't know, but I thought the folks here should know when the announcement is going to be made. What was sent to me was a "save the date" e-mail, with few other details. A follow-up e-mail was promised to follow the e-mailed notice in the coming days/weeks.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #60 on: August 30, 2006, 03:31:14 PM »
^well, if its on the viaduct then its probably open to the public.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #61 on: August 30, 2006, 05:48:31 PM »
I heard it is an invitation thing, but perhaps it is only the reception after the announcement that has an invite involved  ... I have been verbally promised an invite, I won't hold my breath, and if KJP, isn't there, I promise to try and take notes unlike the Christmas party I was at last year with bob corna and forgot all the juicy details.  :drunk:   regardless if I am invited, I will crash it. it woulnt be the first time, I can assure you. I am guessing we all already know the scoop, but it will be fun to see if there is anything new.


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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #62 on: August 30, 2006, 08:46:05 PM »
it's on my Google calendar!

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #63 on: September 20, 2006, 11:49:07 AM »
 
Stonebridge developers planning 1,200 new homes in Flats
Wednesday, September 20, 2006 
12:08 p.m.

Tomorrow afternoon, at a ribbon-cutting for their next building, developers Doug Price and Bob Corna will announce plans for 1,200 new homes and an additional 650,000 square feet of office and retail space on the west bank of the Flats.

Scott Wolstein's redevelopment proposal for the east bank gets much of the buzz. But as Price observes from his perch across the river, "those guys don't even have a shovel in the ground."

Price and Corna already have about 400 housing units and another 108 under construction for the growing Stonebridge neighborhood on the west bank.

Stonebridge Place, which will include 100 townhouse lofts, will lead the Stonebridge's latter phases of development. Eventually, Price and Corna see the neighborhood extending north on Center Street and piggybacking off redevelopment plans they have for the Superior Viaduct.
 
http://www.cleveland.com/weblogs/business/index.ssf?/mtlogs/cleve_business/archives/2006_09.html#185711
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #64 on: September 20, 2006, 11:58:36 AM »
Is Stonebridge place what is currently under construction, or the next phase?

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« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2006, 12:00:29 PM »
holy crap!  in a good way
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« Reply #66 on: September 20, 2006, 12:14:42 PM »
Is Stonebridge place what is currently under construction, or the next phase?

Yes. Stonebridge is the whole line-up of apartment/condo buildings along the old Superior Viaduct. The same developers, plus David Jacobs (aka "Son of Dick"), are pushing this major expansion northward toward the lake. But we should hear more details about that tomorrow.
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« Reply #67 on: September 20, 2006, 12:19:38 PM »
Do these guys have pre-construction sales requirements to meet, b/c you never hear of that when they announce their projects?  Maybe they just have the money up front to construct.

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« Reply #68 on: September 20, 2006, 12:29:37 PM »
Do these guys have pre-construction sales requirements to meet, b/c you never hear of that when they announce their projects?  Maybe they just have the money up front to construct.

i think they had private money for the first building, made it apartments, then sold some off and used that money for the next phase.

other developers in cleveland should take note of their strategy and start small and keep growing.  there are 10 other areas near downtown where this type of approach would work - including many of the warehouse parking lots.    the legacy village/crocker park wholesale construction just doesn't work as well in the city. 
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« Reply #69 on: September 20, 2006, 12:45:37 PM »
Stonebridge is apparently what "Peachtree" is to Atlanta. Here's the breakdown:

Stonebridge Waterfront - (apartments) the first two buildings on the south side of the viaduct. They're the first two you see as you cross the swing bridge.

Stonebridge Center - 8-ish story office building with Ponte Vecchio and Cuyahoga County Engineer's office, north of the viaduct.

Stonebridge Towers - (condo) - the 12-story tower on the west end of the Detroit-Superior Bridge.

Stonebridge Plaza - (condo) - 12-story condo tower currently under construction.

Stonebridge Place - (townhomes) - this newly announced 100-townhome project.

Hope this helps :-)

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