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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #105 on: September 22, 2006, 01:16:05 PM »
Anybody notice the footprint that is currently a parking lot north of Powerhouse?
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #106 on: September 22, 2006, 01:19:39 PM »
Pardon me, as I am not a real estate developer, but for a master plan of this magnitude to still leave all that surface parking right in the heart of things just seems a little off to me.  Perhaps they lack site control (I thought they owned these, though), or perhaps they really do see these as surface parking lots down the road.  Either way, I'd be happier to see all the development concentrated south of the Main Avenue Bridge, rather than spreading in a linear fashion up Center Street alone.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #107 on: September 22, 2006, 03:08:37 PM »
AUDIO: Why the west bank of the Flats is sprouting new housing
Weekend Diary, Plain Dealer
11:40 a.m.

Why is the Cuyahoga River like a moat? How are the Flats reminiscent of Chicago? What would a Cleveland casino mean to downtown redevelopment plans?

Find out all the answers, at least the ones provided by developers Doug Price and Bob Corna, in the latest Weekend Diary. The Plain Dealer's audio report on local business this week features the men behind the Stonebridge project on the west bank of the Flats.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/audio/index.ssf?/business/audio/kroll4.html

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #108 on: September 22, 2006, 07:55:24 PM »
To me this project and the East Bank development will both move forward much quicker if the casino vote is approved. You will see shovels in the ground fast. I think every one is waiting for that-including Wolstein. I am kind of indifferent on becoming a Casino town. But if done correctly (a big hope), the +'s will defiantly outweigh the -'s.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #109 on: September 22, 2006, 08:08:59 PM »
If the immediate area around the casino is housing and the Powerhouse, it could work out.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #110 on: September 22, 2006, 09:50:58 PM »
As the McDonald's commercials say: I'm lovin' it.  Price & Corna are human, of course, but I have total confidence that these guys can pull this off; their track record so far is stellar.  I agree with the notion of splashing this in the headlines now to generate excitement (and hence presales), esp since Stonebridge VI is rapidly nearing completion.  I'm also glad they're not waiting/making this contingent on slots winning the vote in Nov  ... This will have to be a walking district -- from the heyday in the 90s, we know the Flats blessing is its curse -- narrow streets isolated from the main city surface, so driving/parking will be at a premium so som serious shoe leather will have to hit the pavement -- you won't see any tear-shedding for the loss of autos from this corner... I know some have grumped at the glass walkway connection, but it makes sense with this dense of development.  As beautiful/lovable as the Center St bridge is, it can't adequately connect the 2 sides alone plus its well to the South of where Wolstein is building on the East Bank  -- heck, maybe we can dust off those old Holy Moses shuttle ferries that have been dry-docked since the Flat's decline.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #111 on: September 22, 2006, 10:13:23 PM »
it all looks fine with me and glad to have it. corna was in at the start on the flats w/the powerhouse so more power to him. it's not like stonebridge has not built up popularity. it looks good, it's in a visually stimulating area and they arent making too many mistakes. no reason to think the new additions wont do just as well. this is good news and exciting stuff.

i hope they are not banking on the slot/casino issue too much for this - thats not gonna happen.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #112 on: September 24, 2006, 12:58:22 AM »
Pardon me, as I am not a real estate developer, but for a master plan of this magnitude to still leave all that surface parking right in the heart of things just seems a little off to me.  Perhaps they lack site control (I thought they owned these, though), or perhaps they really do see these as surface parking lots down the road.  Either way, I'd be happier to see all the development concentrated south of the Main Avenue Bridge, rather than spreading in a linear fashion up Center Street alone.

Musky got it right. Those surface lots are being held for a casino, hotel and structured parking. Corna and Price didn't show those things on the site plan I posted because they don't want people (esp. potential tenants) to get the false impression that future phases of Stonebridge depend on the casino.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #113 on: September 24, 2006, 10:31:34 AM »
KJP- are you going to post the pics you were taking of the 3D model? some of the buildings are very funky, Jetsonian (as in george Jetson) looking.

I love the proposed little town houses down by the river too.  Those are going to be hard to resist when they come on the market. you will be right down on the river, with city and bridges filling your view. the swing bridge will practically be in your living room.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #114 on: September 24, 2006, 10:36:36 AM »
^whaaat?

wow. yeah can we get those renderings up asap?
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #115 on: September 24, 2006, 06:14:59 PM »
yea when are those gonna be posted?  are they on display still to the public??

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #116 on: September 24, 2006, 07:33:07 PM »
I think he is talking about phase 7

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #117 on: September 24, 2006, 10:45:58 PM »
KJP- are you going to post the pics you were taking of the 3D model? some of the buildings are very funky, Jetsonian (as in george Jetson) looking.

I didn't take pictures of the 3D model. One of Sun's photographers did. But he wasn't happy with the pictures because they were taken outdoors and had a lot of glare on the glass cover over the model. Stonebridge folks e-mailed a photo to me that they shot indoors, but I doubt we'll be able to use it for this issue. We just have too much stuff to print. So here's one of the benefits of being an UrbanOhio lurker -- you have access to pictures that don't get published right away in the media! Here ya go....

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« Reply #118 on: September 25, 2006, 12:19:43 AM »
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #119 on: September 25, 2006, 08:12:27 AM »
Very nice.

I already had a friend contact me from out west who is seriously considering moving back to Cleveland and asked about this project as a splace to live.


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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #120 on: September 25, 2006, 09:07:31 AM »
wow those will be a great addition and contrast to the flats

i could still see something (one or two buildings) taller going up here, like in the 30-35 story range probably strategicly placed in the "Casino zone" on all those surface lots
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #121 on: September 30, 2006, 09:44:35 AM »
This is random, but when the Daily Show caught Carl Monday outside his house, it looks like he lives in Stonebridge.

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« Reply #122 on: September 30, 2006, 09:54:22 AM »
^ I actually think Carl lives on the east bank. I have not watched your clip, but when I watched the daily show it looked like the street that runs by the former Gilly's donuts. I have not seen him around stonebridge, and I can assure you if he did live here there would have been an expose or two already.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #123 on: September 30, 2006, 09:56:52 AM »
Oh, you are probably right. My clip sucks. I was confused in the darkness =)

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #124 on: September 30, 2006, 10:04:25 AM »
Carl lives in the Kirkham Townhomes on West 10th Street (just off of West 9th and St. Clair).


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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #125 on: November 08, 2006, 11:30:13 AM »
Does issue 3 failing have any known impact on this project?

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« Reply #126 on: November 08, 2006, 12:01:53 PM »
I have wondered about what the impact is. Not sure if any of the projects were directly involved with gambling.  I kind of got the impression that gambling would only be the icing on the cake. I am sure the powerhouse people(my mind is blank, Jacobs, right?) are more affected. I am sure it will show up on the ballot again though, and maybe in a new and improved way where it can pass.

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« Reply #127 on: November 08, 2006, 12:03:45 PM »
seriously...I wanted the benefits of the legislation, but the way that it was written was just so shady!  we can do better.  and the FWB will do just fine without a casino in the near-term!

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #128 on: November 08, 2006, 12:09:12 PM »
Just as Tower City will likely turn to the promise of the Convention Center/Medical Mart, I would imagine Jacobs will reevaluate and propose another high-yield facility. Of course, as Peabody pointed out, I doubt the casino talk is dead quite yet. Meanwhile, the first several phases of Stonebridge moved on the market without the promise of the casino. I think the density of residents that is slowly being built up along the West Bank will contribute more to additional market demand than the addition of the casino would.

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« Reply #129 on: November 08, 2006, 12:11:15 PM »
I seem to recall that there was an ancient Indian burial mound on Whiskey Island. Does that qualify it as a potential Native American reservation?
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« Reply #130 on: November 08, 2006, 12:13:23 PM »
true, the casino would be a hindrance (imo) for the housing market, depending on where it was built and in what fashion.  For example, if it was built just west of the power house, that would be bad for the Stonebridge residential component.  If they tried to locate it further north...say, north of the Main Ave. Bridge, then I think the negative impacts could be lessened.  Still, all that new traffic and rabble-rousing would be a detriment to residential growth, but would certainly encourage more commercial development.  Though, from what I recall, these impacts have not been proven decisively in other cities...

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #131 on: February 23, 2007, 07:47:52 PM »
I think this thread has been quiet long enough.
Has anyone heard any news (preferred good)?

Or did the casino defeat stall it?
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« Reply #132 on: February 23, 2007, 08:00:25 PM »
This is technically part of the Stonebridge development. And when I asked Corna in January about a rumor that a non-gambling entertainment complex would take the place of the casino, he pleaded innocent. He also said that Jeff Jacobs hasn't given up on the casino, and that Stonebridge would proceed with or without a casino.
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« Reply #133 on: February 23, 2007, 08:22:56 PM »

I figured that about the other thread.
I just wasn't sure since the title on the other one specifically states "Phase 5."

Anyway, thanks for the non-casino update.

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« Reply #134 on: February 24, 2007, 12:41:03 PM »
Thats cool.  With our without the casino the model makes the area look hot!

The views of the east side are killer.

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« Reply #135 on: February 24, 2007, 02:35:39 PM »
I don't like how low the towers are.  I think they are to uniform, I think different heights would give some visual interest to the West Banks "skyline".
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« Reply #136 on: March 29, 2007, 12:33:16 AM »
Two interesting points (in my opinion) were said by Doug Price at the "Professionals in the city:"

1) three $500,000+ condos have already been resold in the past two months at 10-25% than what the original owner paid--increasing property value.
2)  "Water Park Hotel" ...what?! Did anyone else catch that?? 
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #137 on: March 29, 2007, 08:55:52 AM »
I don't like how low the towers are.  I think they are to uniform, I think different heights would give some visual interest to the West Banks "skyline".

Here's my take: they keep them low for two reasons. 1. they can use cheaper construction materials if they cap the height. 2. they don't feel that they could sell enough.

I'd like to see taller buildings in the later phases. We need to fill in the gaps with mid-rises and create more of a neighborhood. The west bank has too many surface lots. I'd rather see two 9-story buildings before I see one 18-story building.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #138 on: March 29, 2007, 09:47:43 AM »
I even think some height restrictions are in order as development approaches the waterfront.  You don't want too many shadows cast over this area like you have downtown.

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« Reply #139 on: March 29, 2007, 11:40:11 AM »
I heard about the "water park hotel" a long time ago, and siced KJP on to it, but they denied, no? It is good 3 units resold (I do not think they were all over 500,00, but if not close)  but they were on the market of a while (one turned over 2x and the second time it sold quicker)

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