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Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West Developments
« on: June 08, 2006, 09:11:17 AM »
I think it's time this had its own thread, don't you? Exciting stuff!!! Thanks for the coverage, KJP. :clap:

Developers have plans for Flats
Thursday, June 08, 2006
By Ken Prendergast
West Side Sun News

As early as this September, a plan to build up to 2,000 housing units, plus retail spaces, offices, parks and a casino on the Flats West Bank may be announced by a trio of real estate developers.

The still-emerging development plan, if realized, would be three times larger than a publicly subsidized redevelopment of the Flats East Bank. Little or no public subsidies are contemplated by the West Bank developers _ Jacobs Investments, K&D Group and Robert Corna Architects. No cost estimates are yet available for the West Bank plan.

A formal announcement of the Flats West Bank plan is still months away because the developers do not yet have all needed properties in hand. The developers are also trying to nail down commitments from Cuyahoga County officials to improve the county-owned Wendy Park on Whiskey Island.
 
To live downtown, you need to have more than a New York City-style loft, said Corna, in explaining the need for the Whiskey Island park. You need some open space.

He noted that the 340-unit housing development of Stonebridge, built along the old Superior Viaduct by himself and K&D Group, has succeeded because of its proximity to the Settlers Landing park.

Stonebridge continues to expand. A 108-unit, 11-story condominium tower is under construction next to the former Cantina Del Rio, which is being renovated into an indoor piazza with shops, offices, a skylight and indoor trees. Corna noted the piazza is already 100 percent leased.

He said the proposed Flats West Bank development would fill northward along Center Street to the old river channel, which forms the southern edge of Whiskey Island. A foot bridge over the Norfolk Southern tracks to reach the lakefront, including a future marina, is being considered as part of the plan.

Take Stonebridge and Nautica together with a park and marina on Whiskey Island and it will be fantastic, Corna said.

The few remaining light industrial uses, located within the Flats West Bank plan, would be moved out and their buildings converted to offices, housing and shops. Much of the rest of the land either has warehouses already converted to housing, is vacant, or is used for parking for Jeff Jacobs' Nautica entertainment complex.

Jacobs, an advocate of legalized gambling, is proposing to build a casino at Nautica. His complex already includes Flats stalwarts like Shooters and the Powerhouse. Voters statewide may decide this November if two casinos can be built in downtown Cleveland. Corna said the overall Flats West Bank development can proceed without a casino, but would be stronger with it.

We're still formulating our planning, he said. But we're looking at making the (official) announcement in September.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2006, 09:18:25 AM »
looking forward to seeing the entire article!  I particularly like this one because it aims to fill out the entire West Bank and create a self-sustaining neighborhood. 

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2006, 09:58:15 AM »
2000 units??  wow.  i wonder how that will look.  what is that, 20 stonebridge 5s??  on top of some office buildings and retail?? 

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2006, 10:15:40 AM »
This goes to show...the economist was right.  We've got the most active downtown build spurt in the country.   :clap:  :clap:

Any visuals???  I need visual aides!  8-)
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2006, 10:18:29 AM »
Does this all hinge on a casino?
I've got mixed emotions about that
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2006, 12:22:18 PM »
Full article now posted. It answers the gambling question.

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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2006, 12:52:50 PM »
Good news indeed.  Full article....  EDIT: full article was already posted.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2006, 12:56:54 PM »
Any visuals???  I need visual aides!  8-)

When I get home from work, I will post a graphic I made for the article.

Thanks for posting the article and for your the comments.

One other thing I forgot to mention in the article is that the developers want the city to put the overhead utility wires, now on poles, below ground. That, plus the improvements to Wendy Park, constitute the "subsidy/public assistance" the developers are seeking.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2006, 12:58:04 PM »
Cool, all emotions are now sorted and no longer mixed
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2006, 12:58:13 PM »
^it was already updated...?

im liking the idea of reusing the light industry stuff and mixing it with new buildings.  however is a casino really even needed? 

makes the whole trolley thing under the detroit-superior bridge seem even more of a good idea too...
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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2006, 08:03:30 AM »
How many old industrial buildings remain on the West Bank? There are a couple of cool ones I can think of off the top of my head. Any that are particularly ripe for condo conversion?

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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2006, 10:31:40 AM »
this is incredible, i can not believe all these proposals. it is all very exciting news. i love the part about improving whiskey island park and burying the power lines too. talk about the city/county getting maximum bang for minimal bucks-wow!  :clap:

please clarify. we are talking about the parking lot ocean between stonebridge and north up to the harbor inn/spaghetti warehouse/metropolis right? and then east right up to the riverbank too? the whole smear?

do they have any renderings ready? thx.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2006, 10:56:33 AM »
I imagine the Cox brothers at Flats Industries are livid there is yet more talk of removing businesses.
I'm sure there will be mass mailing of letters any day now.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2006, 11:11:19 AM »
please clarify. we are talking about the parking lot ocean between stonebridge and north up to the harbor inn/spaghetti warehouse/metropolis right? and then east right up to the riverbank too? the whole smear?
do they have any renderings ready? thx.

No renderings yet (at least that they're willing to make available publicly). The development area includes the expanse of parking lots -- in other words, structured parking replaces surface lots where possible.

Right now, the development is still conceptual. And if there are any hard details, they weren't willing to share them because of the discussions still ongoing with existing property owners.

Here's one little tidbit -- Corna told me the Tenk building on Center Street has already been bought. But when I double-checked with the auditor's website, it still showed the property owned by some guy with the last name Tenk. I didn't feel comfortable with that so I didn't put the tidbit in the paper. The transaction date may have been post-dated, but still....
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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2006, 11:29:06 AM »
^However, assuming that he told you that, risking the possibility of that information becoming public knowledge, I don't think he would be exaggerating....that is the purchase of the Tenk Building. 

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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2006, 12:56:30 PM »
^Maybe the deed just hadn't been recorded yet (the conveyance is effective upon delivery of the deed regardless of what info has hit the Auditor's office).
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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2006, 01:13:33 PM »
I always thought Tenks place down there was kind of neat.  I can remember pulling out of the Westbank on Saturday nights and their bay doors would be wide open, lights on and they would be working in there. 

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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2006, 01:23:16 PM »
I have very good info that the Tenk building is a done deal. 

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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2006, 08:17:48 PM »
wow thats great news! that area will be beautiful when finished. can't wait to see some renderings!  :clap:
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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2006, 10:15:46 AM »
Great work team!  Especially KJP, of course.  This is very exciting and will be a great example of City/County/Private cooperation if they can each get their parts together and get this thing rolling.  Maybe we'll even see this realized before the Flats East Bank!

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« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2006, 12:43:02 PM »
Yeowzer!  Great info, KJP.  This is amazing.  That Bob Corna's not a talker, but a doer!  This partnership is interesting.  I have mixed emotions about casinos -- I tend to think they draw people indoors and away from development than vice versa -- but we'll see.  Is a hotel a part of the mix (casinos usually like connected hotels)?  I'm glad, though, the casino is not integral to the rest of the project.  We'll see what voters think of casinos in the fall... But heck, so many elements are already in place -- like the amazing, and still developing Stonebridge 450-room/retail mega complex -- this project sounds like it's already ticketed for success.

Let's hope such big-splash on the West Bank will help jump start the seemingly bogged down legal-battle/mess that's gripping Wolstein and the East Bank.  And now, if Bob Stark can get his Warehouse Dist. plan going up the hill, downtown's near future is truly explosive, indeed.   :yap: :wave:

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« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2006, 01:58:47 PM »
Here's a little map I drew for the Sun News article, roughly showing the Flats West Bank development area (and comparing it in size to the East Bank development area)....

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« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2006, 03:49:54 PM »
south of center street is a really decent built environment that would be amazing if they filled it in.  im really interested to see how this develops.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2006, 08:23:21 AM »
Wow I hope this continues to gain momentum!!! Looks like Wendy Park/Whiskey Island may actually have a future after all.

Question:  Does anyone know what kind of projected numbers that casinos would draw to the area? Would the West Bank in particular be choked with traffic?  It's fascinating to contemplate these ideas, though I don't think the waterfront needs a casino to be a draw. I hope that the future of the whole project doesn't hinge on the casino vote. 

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« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2006, 10:02:47 AM »
I'd like to see these developers do something about the land along W.25th between Detroit and Franklin. Maybe something like a new mixed-use Stonebridge phase. Better connecting the West Bank to Ohio City seems like a good idea to me.

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« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2006, 10:17:00 AM »
^ I agree with you here. the Ohio city near west development corp has some plans posted, but I  am sure where they fall between pipe dreams and reality. As a resident of the west flats (although the city sometimes calls it Ohio city, all the way down to the the river), I end up going to O.city proper a  lot, and the area around 25th/Detroit/Franklin is pretty blighted-and it can be a little uncomfortable at times to walk or bike at night (hence we shamefully drive the 3/4 mile sometimes).  I know they are looking to do mixed use housing esp Church ave area....so lets hope it works.  If they cleaned this area up (better lighting, housing in addition to low income housing,  etc) I would never drive into OC. I am sure with this w. bank project, both communities will expect a decent pedestrian friendly link to one another (and the east bank too!).

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2006, 12:26:53 PM »
I'd like to see these developers do something about the land along W.25th between Detroit and Franklin. Maybe something like a new mixed-use Stonebridge phase. Better connecting the West Bank to Ohio City seems like a good idea to me.

The land on the east side of W. 25th between Franklin and Detroit is being turned into a park. See extensive discussion on the last few pages of this thread:

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=2492.0
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« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2006, 12:42:46 PM »
^I'm going to read that thread further, but there is still a lot of blighted structures on both sides of the street that need to be dealt with and I feel like the developers on the West Bank need to see the opportunity and sense in spreading it down W.25th to the Market Square area. Like peabody mentioned through her own experience, it is kind of a blighted area that really seperates the two neighborhoods and discourages legitimate pedestrian activity.

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« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2006, 12:54:19 PM »
I think some of the area Vulpster and I are talking about may be covered by this plan:

http://www.ocnw.org/user/130/1/Detroit_Ave._UDC_Plan1.pdf

again unsure where this falls in the spectrum of dream vs reality.

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« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2006, 01:02:17 PM »
Unfortunately, I think everything on the east side of W25th Street shown on that plan is now on the dream side of the spectrum given the reported geotechnical issues.  This is, needless to day, a real bummer.  At the very least, I still hope the street can be narrowed.
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« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2006, 01:39:52 PM »
^ but the west side of 25th has potential..and the east side to if they only do the park...they really revamped the superior bridge, why not to the same all the way to market square?

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« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2006, 05:06:46 PM »
Word received today that the Coral Company is relocating their offices to the Flats West Bank. Don't have further details yet.
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« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2006, 05:19:08 PM »
wow exciting, this stuff is happening pretty quick.

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« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2006, 06:44:06 PM »
^^Nice! Thanks for the notice KJP.
I just got back from a trip to New York (where I lived for 7 years) and I am more in love with Cleveland and its potential than ever. It's news like this that keeps me excited.

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« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2006, 06:52:53 PM »
Word received today that the Coral Company is relocating their offices to the Flats West Bank. Don't have further details yet.

Is this a temporary move or a permanent one? Their plans were to move from Beachwood to their Cedar Center development. Did they change their minds?

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