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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #140 on: April 29, 2010, 10:22:24 AM »
(while there has been some mention of this new skate park in the North Coast Harbor thread, I don't feel it's appropriate to continue the discussion there since the new skate park will actually be in the Flats.  And I was unable to find another, more appropriate thread...)

So a public meeting was held last night at the Speakeasy on West 25th to discuss the new Flats skate park to be built at the tip of the Columbus Road peninsula.  There's some decent coverage of this at Newsnet5:

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland-forum-seeks-ideas-for-new-skate-park

The city has hired nationally recognized Grindline of Seattle (www.grindline.com) to design the park.

This sounds like a great project.  But the video on the link above had the owner of a pizza shop in the area saying he's not happy about it because he's building bocchi ball courts outside and says the "noise" from the skate park will not be a good mix with the bocchi ball courts.  Ummm...  First off, you're in the Flats.  Second, you're a pizza shop -- the idea of having a world class skate park just steps away, where people will drive an hour or more to get there doesn't appeal to you?  What?!  Don't you realize how much pizza those skateboarders will buy?!  It's gonna at least double his business!

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #141 on: April 29, 2010, 12:06:02 PM »
The new skate park could be amazing. I'm really looking forward to following this development. The Flats desperately need this right now.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #142 on: April 29, 2010, 06:35:40 PM »
the pizza guy is very eccentric to say the least.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #143 on: April 29, 2010, 06:38:54 PM »
But the video on the link above had the owner of a pizza shop in the area saying he's not happy about it because he's building bocchi ball courts outside and says the "noise" from the skate park will not be a good mix with the bocchi ball courts.  Ummm...  First off, you're in the Flats.  Second, you're a pizza shop -- the idea of having a world class skate park just steps away, where people will drive an hour or more to get there doesn't appeal to you?  What?!  Don't you realize how much pizza those skateboarders will buy?!  It's gonna at least double his business!

And third, bocce ball isn't a quiet activity either!
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #144 on: April 29, 2010, 06:45:58 PM »
I am curious how the immediate residents responded. I know they were concerned about hooples having a volley ball court (likely late night noise)

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #145 on: April 29, 2010, 07:26:30 PM »
I am curious how the immediate residents responded. I know they were concerned about hooples having a volley ball court (likely late night noise)

Being a city park, the skate park would close at dusk.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #146 on: May 05, 2010, 07:54:45 PM »
Well it looks like the Rock Bottom is closing after all, and Improv moving to the Shooters building, just to expand Windows on the River?  Is it really that profitable?  Was Howel at the Moon already gone?

"To make room for the expansion, Windows has bought out the lease of Cyrus Waterfront Caf and the assets of Rock Bottom Brewery.

"Closing Rock Bottom allows us to focus our energies on the Cleveland Chop House in the Warehouse district........
Other plans for the entertainment complex include moving the Cleveland IMPROV comedy club to a larger space next to Shooter's on the Water. The expanded facility will include a patio on the Cuyahoga River and an upper level VIP room."
 http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2010/05/windows_on_the_river_to_expand.html
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #147 on: May 05, 2010, 08:14:19 PM »
seriously, windows on the river does this much business? I don't know what is going on here ....AnywayI  have one less place to walk to for a cocktail and a snack.  I keep waiting for the neighborhood to get better not worse.  oh wait there is the hustler. I wonder if they have happy hour?

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #148 on: May 05, 2010, 08:57:52 PM »
Yeah it doesnt seem to make much sense.  Is it actually to make way for the aquarium?
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #149 on: May 05, 2010, 08:59:19 PM »
^ which is what, years away?

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« Reply #150 on: May 06, 2010, 08:50:11 AM »
I'm really sad to hear about Rock Bottom.

My friends and I have had a lot of fun there over the years.

Well it looks like the Rock Bottom is closing after all, and Improv moving to the Shooters building, just to expand Windows on the River?  Is it really that profitable?  Was Howel at the Moon already gone?

"To make room for the expansion, Windows has bought out the lease of Cyrus Waterfront Caf and the assets of Rock Bottom Brewery.

"Closing Rock Bottom allows us to focus our energies on the Cleveland Chop House in the Warehouse district........
Other plans for the entertainment complex include moving the Cleveland IMPROV comedy club to a larger space next to Shooter's on the Water. The expanded facility will include a patio on the Cuyahoga River and an upper level VIP room."
 http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2010/05/windows_on_the_river_to_expand.html


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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #151 on: May 06, 2010, 11:38:53 AM »
I thought construction on the aquarium was supposed to start this year and effectively push out Windows on the River and everything else there?  But spending $1 million to expand Windows on the River seems silly if they're going to kick them out soon. 

The article says, "These improvements are in addition to plans for a $50 million development adjacent to the Powrhouse in which an aquarium will be the focal point." 

Adjacent?  Not "inside"?  So where exactly is the aquarium going and when does construction start?

In regards to Windows not being used...  They have a lot of business luncheons there during the week.  I've been to a couple of events there and a couple of weddings.  They obviously ARE busy enough if they're expanding.  I mean, this is a private business, not the government.  :)

Rock Bottom was usually dead when I went by.  I wish it wasn't because I love the space and the restaurant.  But there just isn't enough on the West Bank to draw people there.  We need major mixed use development on those surface parking lots.

Yeah, yeah, I know...  Down economy, market forces, blah, blah blah...

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #152 on: May 06, 2010, 11:54:57 AM »
There's something happening at the building at West St. Clair and Old River Road -- the old "Calabria Fine Italian Foods" building.  The windows have been papered over for a while, I've heard hammering going on over there...  Anyone know anything?


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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #153 on: May 06, 2010, 12:56:55 PM »
^They were rebuilding the deck behind the building.  That's been going on for about a week... maybe two now.  They should be pretty much done.  I have no idea what is happening inside though.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #154 on: June 23, 2010, 02:54:31 PM »
another blow to the West Flats:

"Spaces gallery in Cleveland wants out of the landlord business and plans to sell its building at Superior Viaduct

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Owning its own building since 1990 has given Spaces, the city's nonprofit, artist-run gallery, a sense of independence and financial stability. 

Now, however, Spaces sees its three-story brick loft building at 2220 Superior Viaduct as a distraction from its core mission. Christopher Lynn, who joined Spaces as its third director just under two years ago, said today the organization will soon list the three-story brick loft building for sale for $595,000....." 
http://www.cleveland.com/arts/index.ssf/2010/06/spaces_gallery_in_cleveland_wa.html

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #155 on: June 28, 2010, 07:48:24 PM »
I don't think it's necessarily a "blow".  They're not tearing the building down, it's just changing owners.  Spaces doesn't plan on vacating their space right away.  And when they do, they'll go somewhere else.  As the article said, the area has changed due to new construction (Stonebridge).  And I think that new construction is for the better.

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« Reply #156 on: June 28, 2010, 08:43:47 PM »
How is it a blow? And is Spaces even moving?
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #157 on: June 29, 2010, 06:05:11 PM »
Great news here!

Grants from Cleveland Foundation and Peter Lewis boost plans for Rivergate Park in Cleveland

http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2010/06/grants_from_cleveland_foundati.html

Philanthropist Peter B. Lewis announced he was giving a $250,000 dollar-for-dollar matching grant to the rowing project, while the Cleveland Foundation approved a $300,000 grant.

Adams said that after the two grants announced Tuesday, the rowing foundation has $700,000 left to raise. [out of $3.2M purchase price]
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« Reply #158 on: July 01, 2010, 03:53:43 PM »
And more money for the Cleveland Rowing Foundation's proposed Rivergate Park!

Rivergate Park project receives $200,000 from George Gund Foundation, bringing the week's total donations to $750,000

http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2010/07/rivergate_park_project_receive.html

Adams said the Gund grant brings the Rivergate project to within $700,000 of the $3.2 million price for the property. Rivergate advocates have a purchase option that expires July 31.


Hmmm, the last article announcing the two previous grants also said $700,000 left to raise.  Not sure if that one was premature or if they forgot to lower the number this time...
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #159 on: July 01, 2010, 03:58:54 PM »
Hell yeah!  I'm thinking the PBL gift inspired this one as well...
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« Reply #160 on: July 01, 2010, 04:10:49 PM »
So which UO wants to cough up the last $700k?
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« Reply #161 on: July 01, 2010, 09:31:52 PM »
Hell yeah!  I'm thinking the PBL gift inspired this one as well...

That's not how it works. Applications were due long ago. The board comes in and approves what the staff has recommended. The foundations are very deliberate in the process. Whether PBL gave money or not, I bet it didn't influence either of the two foundations. Additionally, these foundations give a lot of "guidance" to their applicants.
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #162 on: July 01, 2010, 09:32:54 PM »
I would, but i am currently spending 700K on receiving a college education :/
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #163 on: July 02, 2010, 07:32:59 AM »
I would, but i am currently spending 700K on receiving a college education :/

 :-o  You're getting taken for a ride..  :-D

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« Reply #164 on: July 02, 2010, 08:36:42 AM »
Are there any green card seeking foreigners.....one would do the trick if it could create 10 jobs...:D
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #165 on: July 16, 2010, 11:17:01 AM »
FYI - Swing Bridge closing Monday (7/19) for a year for repairs:

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/07/center_street_swing_bridge_in.html

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« Reply #166 on: July 16, 2010, 11:36:48 AM »
This is good news and, especially with so many other bridges getting improvements, but I'll never understand why this sh!t takes a year+.  If this was in any other country, I bet it would be done within at least three months.  I'm guessing it's contract related to maximize worker and company pay. Maybe this is my inner world-traveler speaking...when I was in Doha for a few months, all I saw were crains and construction, and building shooting up in the course of a month or two. I know, different labor and different pay and workers on site 18-24 hrs a day, but still...
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #167 on: July 16, 2010, 12:15:29 PM »
You must have never been to Italy...
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« Reply #168 on: July 16, 2010, 12:30:18 PM »
You must have never been to Italy...

LOL...

You're right.

But I am going to France and Spain next week.  I'll make sure to take note of Spains recent construction, instead of comparing Cleveland to Doha.
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« Reply #169 on: July 16, 2010, 12:30:33 PM »
^^ Qatar has very lax building regulations and unions are few and far between if they are even legal. In Cleveland and other muncipalities, any government project is inherently burdened by a tangled web of cronyism, kickbacks, preferred union shops, deliberate budget overruns and all-out materials theft. There's no incentive whatsoever to complete the project quickly and efficiently.

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« Reply #170 on: August 24, 2010, 05:47:33 PM »
More money coming in...we're getting closer:

Grants from Lennon and Lozick foundations lift hopes for Rivergate project on the Cuyahoga
Published: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 6:20 PM     
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New grants from the Fred A. Lennon Charitable Trust and the Lozick Foundation have pushed the Cleveland Rowing Foundation $100,000 closer this year to the dream of establishing a public center for rowing, canoeing and kayaking on the Cuyahoga River. The foundation is negotiating a bridge loan with a bank to complete the $3 million deal to buy the former Commodore's Club Marina on Columbus Road peninsula in the Flats. A closing is planned for mid-September.

"We're confident we're going to get there," said Jon Adams, co-chairman of the Rivergate Fund. "In the last month we've just seen tremendous and widespread support for the project. "People are actually starting to get it. They see the potential for bringing thousands of people down to the river by opening up the river to public use. It's resonating."

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« Reply #171 on: September 13, 2010, 08:31:02 PM »
Awesomeness...

Creating Rivergate Park: Cleveland Rowing Foundation buys site on Cuyahoga River
Published: Monday, September 13, 2010, 8:55 PM     
 Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland Rowing Foundation closed a deal Monday to create Rivergate Park, a new public park on the Cuyahoga River devoted to rowing, canoeing, kayaking and dragon-boating.

The foundation raised $3 million in grants, donations and loans in less than a year to purchase nearly seven acres on Columbus Road Peninsula from the former Commodore's Club, a powerboat marina and boat storage center at 1785 Merwin Ave. The park is expected to open next summer.

http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2010/09/rivergate.html
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #172 on: September 13, 2010, 09:13:47 PM »
Wonderful news :-)

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« Reply #173 on: September 14, 2010, 08:58:13 AM »
Pretty exciting.  I wonder if all of this activity/development in the flats will prompt the city to re-pave the roads, put in some curbs/sidewalks, remove concrete barriers & chain link fences, pick up litter, etc.  A facelift alone would make a big difference.

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« Reply #174 on: September 14, 2010, 09:05:32 AM »
^ With this all happening at once (FEB, Casino, Rivergate) I would hope so as well.  The roads down there are some of the worst in the city.

Let's just put some more population down there a.k.a property owners. :)
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