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Re: Cleveland: Public Square Redesign
« Reply #3045 on: February 13, 2017, 06:08:46 PM »
This was what I was referring to: http://www.cleveland19.com/story/34477519/federal-agency-says-rta-to-pay-the-12m

"The federal agency told the GCRTA since buses canít go through Public Square, GCRTA is in breach of the grant agreement for the entire Euclid Corridor project. GCRTA received more than $140 million in federal funds for that project. The FTA said because public transportation canít go through Public Square the federal agency could demand repayment of the entire grant but instead chose to fine the agency $12 million."

Is that entirely accurate?

Yes, that is accurate. GCRTA was the FTA grant applicant. Since Joe Calabrese didn't ignore the city's order and tell the RTA police to take down the barricades, they are now on the hook  for the $12 million. But since bravery is starting to becoming more than a rumor at 1240 West 6th Street, I'm expecting RTA to take legal action against the city to pay some or all of the FTA fine. If they don't, others will. And this doesn't include a number of Title VI complaints being submitted to the FTA and FHWA regarding the city's actions that will affect both the city and RTA.
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Re: Cleveland: Public Square Redesign
« Reply #3046 on: February 14, 2017, 10:44:15 AM »
Seven days...

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/02/rta_riders_rally_for_reopening.html

RTA riders rally for reopening of Public Square to buses
By: Ginger Christ
CLEVELAND, Ohio - Only eight days remain before the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority will be forced to pay the federal government $12 million for not running buses through Public Square.

Local transit advocates want to see city government take action to reopen Superior Avenue through Public Square to buses before it's too late.

In a rally at City Hall before tonight's Cleveland City Council meeting, Clevelanders for Public Transit, a local riders' organization, called for members of council to force Mayor Frank Jackson to reopen Public Square to buses. Roughly 25 people attended.

"We're trying to make sure they still know we're here," Akshai Singh, a member of Clevelanders for Public Transit, said during the rally. "If they don't decide to move on the Mayor, they're really abdicating their power."


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RTA, city move closer to reopening Public Square to buses
« Reply #3047 on: February 16, 2017, 07:59:05 PM »
From the Plain Dealer:

"A letter from RTA to the federal government indicates that Public Square eventually will reopen to buses, but the city of Cleveland has not yet agreed to the return.

The Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority is asking the federal government for more time to reopen the square while it works with the city on lingering safety and security issues."

Link to article.

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Re: Cleveland: Public Square Redesign
« Reply #3048 on: February 17, 2017, 07:36:53 AM »
From the Plain Dealer:

"A letter from RTA to the federal government indicates that Public Square eventually will reopen to buses, but the city of Cleveland has not yet agreed to the return.

The Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority is asking the federal government for more time to reopen the square while it works with the city on lingering safety and security issues."

Link to article.

Link is not working for me.   Just like the excuse of "lingering safety and security issues."
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Re: Cleveland: Public Square Redesign
« Reply #3049 on: February 17, 2017, 07:56:46 AM »
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Link is not working for me.   Just like the excuse of "lingering safety and security issues."

Apparently I failed at copy and paste, should be working now.
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Re: Cleveland: Public Square Redesign
« Reply #3050 on: February 17, 2017, 10:11:02 AM »
"Jackson has said RTA has not been acting in good faith about Public Square and, ultimately, has slowed down the process of reopening the square."

I understand that being the mayor of a big city actually requires a big ego and stubornness to have some success. But for the love of God, recognize your mistakes and move on to the next challenge.
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Re: Cleveland: Public Square Redesign
« Reply #3051 on: February 17, 2017, 11:18:48 AM »
Who has the authority, RTA Police or Cleveland Police, to reopen the square?

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« Reply #3052 on: February 17, 2017, 11:59:56 AM »
^City owned right of way and land, so have to think it's all the city.
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« Reply #3053 on: February 17, 2017, 12:19:15 PM »
Who has the authority, RTA Police or Cleveland Police, to reopen the square?

Ultimately?  Citizens who vote.
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Re: Cleveland: Public Square Redesign
« Reply #3054 on: February 18, 2017, 12:47:22 AM »
^City owned right of way and land, so have to think it's all the city.

However GCRTA has joint policing jurisdiction on Public Square as well as all bus-only lanes downtown. I think GCRTA police could remove the barriers and open the the square tomorrow.

BTW, I was in a meeting on Friday where it appears is that it is only a matter of time before the city removes the barriers and reopens the square. I would be surprised if it doesn't happen by March, or at least is announced by then.
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Re: Cleveland: Public Square Redesign
« Reply #3055 on: February 18, 2017, 01:12:33 AM »
It will be interesting to see if The FTA says yes to a further extension to either repayment or reopening of Superior Avenue.  In my opinion I would deny RTA's request. The City and RTA have had plenty of time from August 1,2016 to comply with FTA.   RTA's wording ,along with The City, do not guarantee Superior will be reopened. "safety and traffic control physical changes that may need to be made if Public Square is to be opened.  The "if" is not a definitive yes.     

Also what is the added cost for all these overlooked safety requirements on the initial design?  Whom will incur these costs?  Aesthetically how does it alter the existing design?  Will removable bollards be added to either end of Superior Ave when special events are being held?  Many questions remain.


 
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« Reply #3056 on: February 18, 2017, 07:06:03 AM »
The pedestrians and random running young children running into Superior issue can be solved with some tasteful fencing, perhaps removable for special events.   I like the idea of retractable bollards on Superior for special events, but I'd give them one winter before they are broken and the city doesn't have the resources to fix them.   
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Re: Cleveland: Public Square Redesign
« Reply #3057 on: Yesterday at 09:43:46 AM »
I was watching Fox 8 and saw buses driving through the square. I believe they said they are going through a trial test.

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Re: Cleveland: Public Square Redesign
« Reply #3058 on: Yesterday at 09:50:03 AM »
FTA grants final extension to March 7 to resume bus service on Superior or repay $12M

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/02/feds_give_rta_two_more_weeks_t_1.html#incart_river_mobile_home

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Re: Cleveland: Public Square Redesign
« Reply #3059 on: Yesterday at 10:28:20 AM »
RTA and city staff are out on Public Square this morning, looking to be running through the logistics of opening Superior. There are also two buses parked on the east end.

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« Reply #3060 on: Yesterday at 11:43:33 AM »
Hopefully, this dark and silly chapter is coming to an end.  And a nice new square with unencumbered bus service is a good place to end it.
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« Reply #3061 on: Yesterday at 12:09:02 PM »
Agreed. What a waste of energy and time. I disagree with opening the road, but it wasn't worth this nonsense. Months of controversies for 600 f'ing feet.
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« Reply #3062 on: Yesterday at 02:15:30 PM »
All because the Mayor was beholden to his corporate handlers and couldn't say "I was wrong...."
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Re: Cleveland: Public Square Redesign
« Reply #3063 on: Yesterday at 03:49:10 PM »
The time to disagree with it was before the city agreed to it.
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Re: Cleveland: Public Square Redesign
« Reply #3064 on: Today at 04:12:52 AM »
i did a little photoshopping to an image of Public Square with what I believe RTA and The City are proposing.  Hopefully the added signage and railings are tastefully done.  I still hope pop up bollards can be installed at the east and west ends of Superior Ave instead of the orange and white barricades they have now.  Lastly, I hope they can agree Public Square should be closed to transit on the weekends.  I am also interested  to see how they address Food Truck Tuesdays and The Farmer's Market setups.
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