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How many games will the Indians win in 2017?

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3 (27.3%)
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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4445 on: February 12, 2017, 11:35:29 AM »
Happy first day of Spring Training! There's a party at 4pm at the Clevelander today to celebrate pitchers and catchers reporting

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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4446 on: February 12, 2017, 12:05:58 PM »
Good God, already?

I'm still recovering from November

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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4447 on: February 12, 2017, 12:45:51 PM »
Good God, already?

I'm still recovering from November

Rumor has it Trevor Bauer brought one of those motorized Sean Spicer lecterns for his post-game interviews. :-D :wink:
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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4448 on: February 15, 2017, 06:29:25 PM »
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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4449 on: March 07, 2017, 09:59:36 AM »
27 days to go.

Good god I'm psyched.

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« Reply #4450 on: March 21, 2017, 08:17:48 AM »
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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4451 on: March 29, 2017, 11:32:49 AM »
the reds this afternoon, then the last two games with the diamondbacks and that is that with spring training this year. boy it goes fast.

lets hope chisenhall shakes his wall crash off, kipnis gets back to ok quick and brantley is truly healed.
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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4452 on: April 03, 2017, 02:11:58 PM »
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
April 4, 2017
Contacts: Joel Hammond, 216-287-1454
 
CLEVELAND INDIANS ANNOUNCE FESTIVITIES, GUESTS FOR APRIL 11 HOME OPENER AT PROGRESSIVE FIELD
 
Jim Thome, Austin Carr, Jim Brown to throw ceremonial first pitches
 
Cleveland Orchestra String section to perform national anthem
 
AL Champion flag raising, banner unveiling, ring ceremony to take place pregame
 
Cleveland, OH—The American League Champion Cleveland Indians announced today the full schedule of festivities leading up to first pitch at 4:10PM on Tuesday, April 11, the Tribe’s 2017 Home Opener at Progressive Field. Gates will open at 2PM.

The game, the Tribe’s 24th Home Opener at Progressive Field, marks the 117th as a charter member of the American League, and the 25th consecutive Home Opener sellout dating back to the team’s final year at Cleveland Municipal Stadium. This year’s game sold out in three minutes on March 6.

There will be a pregame ceremony to celebrate the Indians AL Championship, during which players and coaches will receive their AL Championship rings, a flag will be raised in center field and a banner will be unveiled in the Right Field Terraces. The Indians encourage fans to be in their seats by 3PM to witness the ceremony.

The Tribe will help the city #RallyTogether by hosting a trio of Cleveland sports legends to throw out ceremonial first pitches:

·         Jim Thome: A familiar face to fans, the Indians Hall of Famer played for the Tribe from 1991-2002 and in 2011 and is the franchise leader in home runs.

·         Austin Carr: This Cavs great is second on the franchise’s all-time games played list and fourth in points scored.

·         Jim Brown: The Browns Hall of Fame running back was recognized as the NFL MVP three times and led the team to an NFL championship in 1964.

The Cleveland Orchestra string section is set to perform the national anthem; the group also performed the anthem before Game 7 of the World Series. The Cleveland Orchestra is nearing the celebration of its centennial of its founding. Following the conclusion of their performance, there will be a US Air Force F-16 flyover.

The Indians will honor all branches of the United States military, as members of the United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard will present the colors. Meanwhile, an oversized American flag will be presented by 250 employees of Progressive Insurance, the presenting partner of the club’s Opening Series.

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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4453 on: April 05, 2017, 11:25:01 PM »
Holy s-hit Lindor!!!!!!

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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4454 on: April 05, 2017, 11:27:38 PM »
Holy s-hit Lindor!!!!!!

We are in for a hell of a ride this summer!!

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« Reply #4455 on: April 05, 2017, 11:56:55 PM »
Lindor's amazing Slam leading to the Indians sweep along with the Cavs take-no-prisoners beatdown of the punky Celts on ESPN (to practically wrap up the no. 1 seed/East) made tonight one of the most satisfying for Cleveland sports fans since, well, June 19th of last year!!

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« Reply #4456 on: April 06, 2017, 12:22:46 AM »
Even more impressive was Lindor's postgame interview with Andre Knott.  He's a special young man....
https://twitter.com/SportsTimeOhio/status/849832453623627777
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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4457 on: April 06, 2017, 08:09:30 AM »
Even more impressive was Lindor's postgame interview with Andre Knott.  He's a special young man....
https://twitter.com/SportsTimeOhio/status/849832453623627777

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« Reply #4458 on: April 06, 2017, 12:01:05 PM »
^^Nice interview.  This young man is very dialed in, in addition to being highly talented.  That he felt he let down Salazar and the team more than simply going for his own personal stats and agenda says a lot.

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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4459 on: April 07, 2017, 11:41:41 AM »
I recall noting during the WS how much bigger and more intimidating the Cubs seemed at the plate.  I'd say we've closed the gap significantly with the promo of Diaz, the addition of Encarnacion, and the reinstatement of Almonte.  Dias is huuuuuuge.
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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4460 on: April 07, 2017, 11:51:29 AM »
Dias is huuuuuuge.

His biceps are insane!

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« Reply #4461 on: April 07, 2017, 12:10:31 PM »
^Even though not huge in stature, both Santana and Brantley should also be intimidating, and we just got Brantley back as, essentially, a new ballplayer viz much of the current team (with guys like Lindor and Ramirez).  Since last year after we got power-hitting Napoli and a full season with Lindor (and Ramirez's awakened bat), Carlos seems much more relaxed now that he's not called upon to shoulder the lion's share of the offensive load as he was 2 years ago.  He's not pressing and his natural hitting abilities are kicking in and he's a very dangerous hitter.  And Brantley of course is Mr. Clutch (as is Ramirez big time)... And of course this year we've upgraded over Napoli with Encarnacion ... Diaz and, now, Almonte (for a full season and playoffs this time) are like gravy.

All in all, this team is the best Indians team of my lifetime including that 90s power hitting bunch.  While I'm not ready to say this team can mash quite like that team (although ultimately it might, we'll have to see), this year's pitching (starters and pen) is light years better than that team's.  I also give Francona an edge over Hargrove, even though I very much liked Grover.

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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4462 on: April 07, 2017, 12:42:21 PM »
Well said, clvlndr. I'm in total agreement. The only thing that could stop them is the injury bug.
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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4463 on: April 08, 2017, 01:15:16 PM »
^Even though not huge in stature, both Santana and Brantley should also be intimidating, and we just got Brantley back as, essentially, a new ballplayer viz much of the current team (with guys like Lindor and Ramirez).  Since last year after we got power-hitting Napoli and a full season with Lindor (and Ramirez's awakened bat), Carlos seems much more relaxed now that he's not called upon to shoulder the lion's share of the offensive load as he was 2 years ago.  He's not pressing and his natural hitting abilities are kicking in and he's a very dangerous hitter.  And Brantley of course is Mr. Clutch (as is Ramirez big time)... And of course this year we've upgraded over Napoli with Encarnacion ... Diaz and, now, Almonte (for a full season and playoffs this time) are like gravy.

All in all, this team is the best Indians team of my lifetime including that 90s power hitting bunch.  While I'm not ready to say this team can mash quite like that team (although ultimately it might, we'll have to see), this year's pitching (starters and pen) is light years better than that team's.  I also give Francona an edge over Hargrove, even though I very much liked Grover.

Francona's probably the best manager in baseball history and if he breaks both the Indians' and Red Sox's droughts that is pretty much cemented. 

He's also complete.   Hargrove could get the best out of a superteam like the mid 90s crew, he was like Torre in that regard.   Not all managers can, even the ones that get the most out of a bunch of overachievers.   Francona can do either.

I was telling some Boston fans last year lamenting Francona and Miller being gone that they, along with Lue, were what they traded for Belichick.
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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4464 on: April 08, 2017, 01:55:49 PM »
^No argument with you at all, E Rocc; and one of Francona's earliest and greatest feats with the Indians was straightening out and turning around a totally messed up Ubaldo Jimenez, who has reverted back to hair-yanking, mechanical-nightmare inconsistency now that he's  in Baltimore and no longer with Francona. ... Overall, Tito has been the best pitcher's manager I've ever seen. Taking our beat up, 1-man rotation to within an eyelash of the title last year, against a powerhouse Cubs team, is all you need to know.

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« Reply #4465 on: April 08, 2017, 02:18:41 PM »
^No argument with you at all, E Rocc; and one of Francona's earliest and greatest feats with the Indians was straightening out and turning around a totally messed up Ubaldo Jimenez, who has reverted back to hair-yanking, mechanical-nightmare inconsistency now that he's  in Baltimore and no longer with Francona. ... Overall, Tito has been the best pitcher's manager I've ever seen. Taking our beat up, 1-man rotation to within an eyelash of the title last year, against a powerhouse Cubs team, is all you need to know.

Exactly.   

Hargrove took Roberto Alomar to a career resurgence that ended abruptly when he left Cleveland.  Albert Belle never approached his dominance elsewhere, and Manny became inconsistent.   Francona approaches that, yet can also make an average team better, which Hargrove couldn't.
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« Reply #4466 on: April 08, 2017, 05:58:29 PM »
^Yes.  And as I've said before, Francona's gift is that he is a master psychologist which we've seen time and again in sports -- no matter the particular sport -- usually trumps (now hate that word) the mastery of Xs and Os, of which Francona is also better than most.  He understands people and is clearly a pitcher whisperer.

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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4467 on: April 13, 2017, 11:21:50 AM »
Oh, just rip the band aid off already!....

MLB commissioner wants Cleveland Indians to ‘transition away’ from Chief Wahoo logo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/04/12/mlb-commissioner-wants-cleveland-indians-to-transition-away-from-chief-wahoo-logo/?utm_term=.9587610fc1d1
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« Reply #4468 on: April 13, 2017, 11:56:06 AM »
Oh, just rip the band aid off already!....

MLB commissioner wants Cleveland Indians to ‘transition away’ from Chief Wahoo logo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/04/12/mlb-commissioner-wants-cleveland-indians-to-transition-away-from-chief-wahoo-logo/?utm_term=.9587610fc1d1

I agree.  It shouldn't be as hard as the Dolans (and the Jacobses before them) and Cleveland fans are making it.  It's so damn emotional where it shouldn't be.  Why are these fans acting like it's their God-given right to crap on the dignity of a whole race of people, regardless of their small numbers and limited political power in this country at the moment?  Nobody can say with a straight face that Chief Wahoo isn't racially degrading, and yet a whole lot of local sports fans, and sadly a bunch of talk show hosts, are trying to do just that...  I fear this could get even uglier with many conservative fans and media feeling even more emboldened in this current bigoted, backwards era of Trump.

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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4469 on: April 13, 2017, 12:07:50 PM »
Oh, just rip the band aid off already!....

MLB commissioner wants Cleveland Indians to ‘transition away’ from Chief Wahoo logo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/04/12/mlb-commissioner-wants-cleveland-indians-to-transition-away-from-chief-wahoo-logo/?utm_term=.9587610fc1d1

I agree.  It shouldn't be as hard as the Dolans (and the Jacobses before them) and Cleveland fans are making it.  It's so damn emotional where it shouldn't be.  Why are these fans acting like it's their God-given right to crap on the dignity of a whole race of people, regardless of their small numbers and limited political power in this country at the moment?  Nobody can say with a straight face that Chief Wahoo isn't racially degrading, and yet a whole lot of local sports fans, and sadly a bunch of talk show hosts, are trying to do just that...  I fear this could get even uglier with many conservative fans and media feeling even more emboldened in this current bigoted, backwards era of Trump.

its on its way out and thats fine. I root for Cleveland baseball.  I have memories with Chief Wahoo, but i havent worn any clothing with him in a few years.  I hate the argument of the morons saying "I hate how white liberals are offended when it has NOTHING to do with them"...its called empathy.  geez. they are speaking out for people who are offended.

Anyway, if i were to take a guess, i wouuld think Dolan doesnt have as much of an attachment to it as he does the fear of losing some of the fan base over it.  HOwever, if you stop rooting for a team because the MLB made you get rid of the logo, you may wanna check yourself in the mirror.

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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4470 on: April 16, 2017, 02:12:17 PM »
Early season reality check...
I wish the local pundits would stop with 'the best rotation in baseball' line.
Need more starters if they want to win the AL again.
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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4471 on: April 20, 2017, 09:50:36 PM »
APR. 20, 2017 AT 5:09 PM
Baseball’s New Leadoff Hitters Don’t Need To Be Speed Demons
By Neil Paine

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To find out who is perfect, I ran a regression between a leadoff hitter’s playing attributes2 and his team’s runs scored per game (adjusted for the stadium they were scored in). According to that, the ideal current leadoff man3 is Cleveland’s Carlos Santana. Leading off for the Tribe while splitting time between designated hitter, first base and right field, the 210-pound Santana doesn’t look like the traditional platonic ideal of a leadoff man, and he stole just 5 bases last season. But his peculiar blend of abilities — great contact skills, tons of walks and the power to drill 34 home runs — is associated with about 30 extra runs (or 3 more wins) over a 162-game season, tops of any leadoff man in baseball.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/baseballs-new-leadoff-hitters-dont-need-to-be-speed-demons/?addata=espn:frontpage

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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4472 on: April 20, 2017, 10:19:35 PM »
Jose Ramirez is one of the most clutch hitters the Indians have had in recent times.  Just love this guy. With him and Lindor anchoring our hitting attack, it's giving space to guys like Encarnacion to get power hitting swing together.  Being tied for 1st, a game over .500 is right where we need to be.

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« Reply #4473 on: April 22, 2017, 12:16:22 AM »
^Even though not huge in stature, both Santana and Brantley should also be intimidating, and we just got Brantley back as, essentially, a new ballplayer viz much of the current team (with guys like Lindor and Ramirez).  Since last year after we got power-hitting Napoli and a full season with Lindor (and Ramirez's awakened bat), Carlos seems much more relaxed now that he's not called upon to shoulder the lion's share of the offensive load as he was 2 years ago.  He's not pressing and his natural hitting abilities are kicking in and he's a very dangerous hitter.  And Brantley of course is Mr. Clutch (as is Ramirez big time)... And of course this year we've upgraded over Napoli with Encarnacion ... Diaz and, now, Almonte (for a full season and playoffs this time) are like gravy.

All in all, this team is the best Indians team of my lifetime including that 90s power hitting bunch.  While I'm not ready to say this team can mash quite like that team (although ultimately it might, we'll have to see), this year's pitching (starters and pen) is light years better than that team's.  I also give Francona an edge over Hargrove, even though I very much liked Grover.

Francona's probably the best manager in baseball history and if he breaks both the Indians' and Red Sox's droughts that is pretty much cemented. 

He's also complete.   Hargrove could get the best out of a superteam like the mid 90s crew, he was like Torre in that regard.   Not all managers can, even the ones that get the most out of a bunch of overachievers.   Francona can do either.

I was telling some Boston fans last year lamenting Francona and Miller being gone that they, along with Lue, were what they traded for Belichick.



hargrove was in no way shape or form like torre. torre knew to leave the hot hands in, hargrove played the stats and pitch counts and yanked people out no matter what and every time. that was the difference between grovers ultimate failing and torre's success. you don't unalteringly always, always, always play moneyball with very good players. i mean if grover skippered the cavs the other night, he would have put kyrie and love back in. sure, hargrove's steady as she goes style can get you there, but it takes torres and lues to win it. thats why while i really liked hargrove as a player, i never really did as the coach.
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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4474 on: April 22, 2017, 10:31:34 AM »
Alternative view: managers in baseball don't matter all that much and the "hot hand" is 95% myth.
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« Reply #4475 on: April 22, 2017, 09:50:27 PM »
Alternative view: managers in baseball don't matter all that much and the "hot hand" is 95% myth.

If one flipped a coin a thousand times consecutively, there would inevitably be long streaks where, if you didn't know any better, it may appear as though the coin flipper was "in the zone" in landing heads or tails. But ultimately, each side of the coin only has a 50% chance of landing face up. The same is true in sports, a batter or shooter is really only as good as their average or shooting percentage dictates (assuming several seasons worth of data), and long streaks are nothing more than statistical variances to which human beings attribute special meaning. Statistical fallacies, if you will, based on our evolutionary development of pattern seeking.

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« Reply #4476 on: April 22, 2017, 10:03:28 PM »
Getting back to the Indians, though. I am frustrated that Francona can't find a way to get Diaz's bat in the lineup on an everyday basis. I understand that if they couldn't find a place for him that he needs to be in Columbus where he'll get a higher volume of at-bats, but I'm not convinced that they couldn't find a way to do that at the MLB level. Diaz came to the United States as a 2B, and although he has played the most in his minor league career as a 3B, he can comfortably play either corner outfield position and has even spent some time in CF. It's not as if he can only play one or two positions, he has a versatile glove. I mean, if an Abraham Almonte/Brandon Guyer platoon is the best they've got for RF, he's certainly a more promising option than that duo (or at least Almonte, who is not worthy of a spot on the Tribe's roster, let alone a place in the starting 9).

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Re: Cleveland Indians Discussion
« Reply #4477 on: April 22, 2017, 11:03:23 PM »
^Almonte has the highest OBP of all the regulars and is hitting .278.  Also has hit well in clutch situations. Not sure why he doesn't belong not the team

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« Reply #4478 on: April 23, 2017, 06:47:48 AM »
^Almonte has the highest OBP of all the regulars and is hitting .278.  Also has hit well in clutch situations. Not sure why he doesn't belong not the team

Batting average is an overrated statistic and "clutch hitting" probably doesn't exist. As for OBP, Almonte's .396 is a mirage at this incredibly early stage of the season (see my above post above how small sample sizes can play tricks on us). In reality, he has a career .302 OBP, so if given a large enough sample size over the course of the season, he will revert to being much closer to that number.

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