Poll

How many games will the Cavaliers win in the 2016-17 season?

70 or more
4 (22.2%)
60-69
12 (66.7%)
50-59
2 (11.1%)
40-49
0 (0%)
Fewer than 40
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 18

Voting closed: November 05, 2016, 02:09:38 PM

Author Topic: Cleveland Cavs Discussion  (Read 786781 times)

0 Members and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Hts121

  • UO Supporting Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17743
  • It's still just like your opinion, man
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8505 on: June 13, 2017, 12:01:16 PM »
^Sure.  PG and Butler would be great additions.  So would Westbrook, Harden, and Anthony Davis.  It's wishful thinking that you are going to get either PG or Butler without including Kyrie.  You are asking those teams to trade their superstar to a team in their division. 
Your true friends will help you up when someone knocks you down.  Your best friend will say "Stay down, I got this."

Offline BelievelandD1

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 2206
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8506 on: June 13, 2017, 12:05:30 PM »
^Sure.  PG and Butler would be great additions.  So would Westbrook, Harden, and Anthony Davis.  It's wishful thinking that you are going to get either PG or Butler without including Kyrie.  You are asking those teams to trade their superstar to a team in their division. 

yeah i mean im glad its not my job to figure it out...but they both know they aren't beating the Cavs until Lebron retires.  Neither Butler nor George can get by Lebron, so if you can get talent/cap relief/picks, whatever it may be...it could make sense.  Paul George is as good as gone anyway...may as well get something for him.

Online mrnyc

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 10138
    • friends of the highline
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8507 on: June 13, 2017, 12:17:51 PM »
haha the cavs are looking for durant durant




but seriously -- i dont think its necessary to ditch love to get pg or butler. the cavs bench was far out played. lots of room for improvement there vs worrying about improvements via dangling the big three. not saying everything should not be on the table outside of lebron and kyrie, just that its not the biggest need. i dont know that a better bench would do the trick against gs, probably not to be honest, but its the logical starting place vs dismantling the cavs.
"That whole rural thing. It's a joke." Ed Koch

Offline Hts121

  • UO Supporting Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17743
  • It's still just like your opinion, man
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8508 on: June 13, 2017, 12:41:47 PM »
^^Id think the Pacers would go for Boston's #1 overall pick to help them rebuild over Love.  Or the Lakers may be willing to offer #2 plus Russell.  There will be better packages than we can offer. 
Your true friends will help you up when someone knocks you down.  Your best friend will say "Stay down, I got this."

Offline surfohio

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 6282
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8509 on: June 13, 2017, 12:54:45 PM »
How about the idea of getting a more dynamic offense going? What could this team be like with an established, old school type of coach?

In any regard this team really needs to play much better defense.

Offline BelievelandD1

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 2206
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8510 on: June 13, 2017, 01:00:29 PM »
How about the idea of getting a more dynamic offense going? What could this team be like with an established, old school type of coach?

In any regard this team really needs to play much better defense.

unfortunately, i just dont think thats Lebrons game.  I cant ever think of a time when a Lebron team looked like the Spurs as their MO.  There are times when the offense looks beautiful, but its not normally consistent and how they beat people.  Lebron teams usually beat people based on superior individual talent.  What they absolutely positively need is for the spot up shooters to hit their shots consistently.  They need to be relied upon.  Lebron + Kyrie will get them open looks if the opponents bring help defense.  Unfortunately the Cavs wasted way too many possessions in the three games in Oakland.  Absolutely cannot happen

Offline BelievelandD1

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 2206
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8511 on: June 13, 2017, 01:01:34 PM »
^^Id think the Pacers would go for Boston's #1 overall pick to help them rebuild over Love.  Or the Lakers may be willing to offer #2 plus Russell.  There will be better packages than we can offer. 

We will see.  My gut tells me these young teams arent as interested in "win now".  Get assets to be loaded beyond the Cleveland/Golden State years. 

Offline surfohio

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 6282
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8512 on: June 13, 2017, 01:41:05 PM »
How about the idea of getting a more dynamic offense going? What could this team be like with an established, old school type of coach?

In any regard this team really needs to play much better defense.

unfortunately, i just dont think thats Lebrons game.  I cant ever think of a time when a Lebron team looked like the Spurs as their MO.  There are times when the offense looks beautiful, but its not normally consistent and how they beat people.  Lebron teams usually beat people based on superior individual talent.  What they absolutely positively need is for the spot up shooters to hit their shots consistently.  They need to be relied upon.  Lebron + Kyrie will get them open looks if the opponents bring help defense.  Unfortunately the Cavs wasted way too many possessions in the three games in Oakland.  Absolutely cannot happen

LeBron and Kyrie can't play the entire game though. Perhaps the poor bench play is personnel and not system related?

Offline BelievelandD1

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 2206
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8513 on: June 13, 2017, 01:46:22 PM »
How about the idea of getting a more dynamic offense going? What could this team be like with an established, old school type of coach?

In any regard this team really needs to play much better defense.

unfortunately, i just dont think thats Lebrons game.  I cant ever think of a time when a Lebron team looked like the Spurs as their MO.  There are times when the offense looks beautiful, but its not normally consistent and how they beat people.  Lebron teams usually beat people based on superior individual talent.  What they absolutely positively need is for the spot up shooters to hit their shots consistently.  They need to be relied upon.  Lebron + Kyrie will get them open looks if the opponents bring help defense.  Unfortunately the Cavs wasted way too many possessions in the three games in Oakland.  Absolutely cannot happen

LeBron and Kyrie can't play the entire game though. Perhaps the poor bench play is personnel and not system related?

this turned out to be the case in this series.  Which is a surprise because you had two veterans williams and Korver who couldve provided huge lifts

Offline Hts121

  • UO Supporting Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17743
  • It's still just like your opinion, man
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8514 on: June 13, 2017, 02:33:24 PM »
^^Id think the Pacers would go for Boston's #1 overall pick to help them rebuild over Love.  Or the Lakers may be willing to offer #2 plus Russell.  There will be better packages than we can offer. 

We will see.  My gut tells me these young teams arent as interested in "win now".  Get assets to be loaded beyond the Cleveland/Golden State years. 

What "assets" are you thinking we can offer?  Boston has more young talent and much, much better draft picks to offer.  So does LAL.

How about the idea of getting a more dynamic offense going? What could this team be like with an established, old school type of coach?

In any regard this team really needs to play much better defense.

I'd say our offense was 'dynamic' enough.  86 points in a half in the Finals.  All sorts of records for three point shooting.  We had the highest PPG in the EC and the fourth highest in the league.... just five PPG behind the vaunted GSW offense. 

I'd rather work on the defense.  We played best against GSW when we got physical with them.  NBA upsets are almost always caused on the defensive end..... the greatest one I can think of is the 2004 Pistons beating that Lakers super team with Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2017, 02:34:05 PM by Hts121 »
Your true friends will help you up when someone knocks you down.  Your best friend will say "Stay down, I got this."

Offline BelievelandD1

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 2206
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8515 on: June 13, 2017, 02:41:20 PM »
^^Id think the Pacers would go for Boston's #1 overall pick to help them rebuild over Love.  Or the Lakers may be willing to offer #2 plus Russell.  There will be better packages than we can offer. 

We will see.  My gut tells me these young teams arent as interested in "win now".  Get assets to be loaded beyond the Cleveland/Golden State years. 

What "assets" are you thinking we can offer?  Boston has more young talent and much, much better draft picks to offer.  So does LAL.

How about the idea of getting a more dynamic offense going? What could this team be like with an established, old school type of coach?

In any regard this team really needs to play much better defense.

I'd say our offense was 'dynamic' enough.  86 points in a half in the Finals.  All sorts of records for three point shooting.  We had the highest PPG in the EC and the fourth highest in the league.... just five PPG behind the vaunted GSW offense. 

I'd rather work on the defense.  We played best against GSW when we got physical with them.  NBA upsets are almost always caused on the defensive end..... the greatest one I can think of is the 2004 Pistons beating that Lakers super team with Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton.

^^for the response to me...i was referring to Boston and LAL's assets.  i believe their philosophy is to keep their long-term potential by keeping draft picks because getting them players right now doesnt get them by Cavs/Warriors.  Im not saying Cavs should get assets. Cavs should focus on making one or two deals  and hoping Lebron can convince an additional player to sign below market value. 

Offline Hts121

  • UO Supporting Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17743
  • It's still just like your opinion, man
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8516 on: June 13, 2017, 03:02:17 PM »
I suspect Boston is in win-now mode.  They finished with the best record in the East and are rumored to be looking to deal the #1 overall pick for an established star..... this makes sense given that the top prospects in this draft are all PGs, which Boston doesn't need. 

As for LAL, they will never pass up the opportunity to add a star to that franchise.  Never.  They know that all they need to be is moderately good to catapult back to the top of FA destinations. 

As for the Cavs assets, they are all difficult to move IF you expect equal talent in return.  I do expect us to be able to find a good player to sign for the mid-level exception and perhaps a ring-chaser to sign to the vet minimum.  Our #1 off-season priority should be locking up Griff.   
« Last Edit: June 13, 2017, 03:05:28 PM by Hts121 »
Your true friends will help you up when someone knocks you down.  Your best friend will say "Stay down, I got this."

Offline surfohio

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 6282
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8517 on: June 13, 2017, 03:09:31 PM »

I'd say our offense was 'dynamic' enough.  86 points in a half in the Finals.  All sorts of records for three point shooting.  We had the highest PPG in the EC and the fourth highest in the league.... just five PPG behind the vaunted GSW offense. 

I'd rather work on the defense.  We played best against GSW when we got physical with them.  NBA upsets are almost always caused on the defensive end..... the greatest one I can think of is the 2004 Pistons beating that Lakers super team with Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton.

I'd say our offense is explosive, in the same way a 66 Camaro can run a straight 1/4 mile in record time. But not quite dynamic, like a Ferrari that's fast and can handle the curves.

Friday aside, iso-ball seems to have played right into GS's hands.

Offline Hts121

  • UO Supporting Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17743
  • It's still just like your opinion, man
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8518 on: June 13, 2017, 03:33:07 PM »
Well.... we have two of the best ISO players in the league and those two aren't likely to change their ways. 
Your true friends will help you up when someone knocks you down.  Your best friend will say "Stay down, I got this."

Offline surfohio

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 6282
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8519 on: June 13, 2017, 03:57:33 PM »
Well.... we have two of the best ISO players in the league and those two aren't likely to change their ways. 

I hear ya. I just wonder if we could run some plays. Just because LeBron and Kyrie are remarkable scorers, they had to fight for every shot. It would be nice to get some more easy baskets. 

Offline BelievelandD1

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 2206
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8520 on: June 13, 2017, 04:02:41 PM »
Just read a few articles and there is alot of wind blowing around out there.  There is speculation that if cavs would take the bad contracts of Monta Ellis from Indy or Wade from Chicago, those deals would be much more available for the cavs than we think.  Some people are even saying the Knicks would still dump Melo for not a huge pricetag.  I will be shocked if nothing is done, to be honest.  It pains me to say that because i love this team...but the Warriors are on a different level

Offline Cleburger

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 3575
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8521 on: June 13, 2017, 07:42:13 PM »

I'd say our offense was 'dynamic' enough.  86 points in a half in the Finals.  All sorts of records for three point shooting.  We had the highest PPG in the EC and the fourth highest in the league.... just five PPG behind the vaunted GSW offense. 

I'd rather work on the defense.  We played best against GSW when we got physical with them.  NBA upsets are almost always caused on the defensive end..... the greatest one I can think of is the 2004 Pistons beating that Lakers super team with Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton.

I'd say our offense is explosive, in the same way a 66 Camaro can run a straight 1/4 mile in record time. But not quite dynamic, like a Ferrari that's fast and can handle the curves.

Friday aside, iso-ball seems to have played right into GS's hands.

Since the Camaro didn't debut until 1967, I have concerns with your race analogy.... 8-)
I got some records from World War II
I play 'em just like me grand dad do
He was a rocker and I am too....Now Cleveland rocks....

Offline surfohio

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 6282
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8522 on: June 13, 2017, 08:49:15 PM »
Listen pal, in my world the 66 Camaro exists. It's cool. And it's the second fastest car in racing.

Offline E Rocc

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 7721
  • Defender Of The Sprawl
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8523 on: June 14, 2017, 06:33:42 AM »
Listen pal, in my world the 66 Camaro exists. It's cool. And it's the second fastest car in racing.

Is the '66 Firebird 400 first then?   :evil:

(In '67, a top end Firebird would beat a top end Camaro).
"I mean, this man just can't be president of the US. I mean, they got this button, it's in a briefcase, he's gonna find it."
- P. J. O'Rourke

Offline surfohio

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 6282
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8524 on: June 14, 2017, 03:03:50 PM »
Listen pal, in my world the 66 Camaro exists. It's cool. And it's the second fastest car in racing.

Is the '66 Firebird 400 first then?   :evil:

(In '67, a top end Firebird would beat a top end Camaro).


I suppose that's the same kind of bias that affected the Bandit's choice in cars.

Keep Love. He's getting better on and for this team. We need bench help more than anything.
-Clark Kellogg


Offline Hts121

  • UO Supporting Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17743
  • It's still just like your opinion, man
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8525 on: June 19, 2017, 03:13:01 PM »
^Sure.  PG and Butler would be great additions.  So would Westbrook, Harden, and Anthony Davis.  It's wishful thinking that you are going to get either PG or Butler without including Kyrie.  You are asking those teams to trade their superstar to a team in their division. 

yeah i mean im glad its not my job to figure it out...but they both know they aren't beating the Cavs until Lebron retires.  Neither Butler nor George can get by Lebron, so if you can get talent/cap relief/picks, whatever it may be...it could make sense.  Paul George is as good as gone anyway...may as well get something for him.

Paul George just threw this whole scenario for a loop by telling the Pacers he is definitely gone in 2018 Free Agency.  So he basically said trade me now or lose me next summer for nothing.  His stated preferred destination is LAL (he is from Palmdale).  Any team trading for him is going to have to accept that he may very well be a 1 year rental.  That removes Boston from the equation, and they just swapped picks with Philly anyway. 

Given all that, there are probably three teams we can call the most likely destinations.  LAL could trade for him now, perhaps offering the #2 overall pick as part of the package, but I think they learned their lesson with Dwight Howard and may not want to take that bait.  It's one thing to lock him up for 5 years in 2018 and it's another thing to expect him to re-sign in 2018 after a year playing for that (now) dysfunctional franchise.  LAC is the other possible option, but who would they give up that the Pacers would want.  I don't know if Griffin for PG makes them better.  Then there are the Cavs, who could offer KLove and some loose change.  That might really be the best deal the Pacers get, considering the circumstances.  I'd think a third team, such as Portland or Phoenix, who would want KLove and could give Indy the young assets they desire, may get involved.  For the Cavs, it would be a gamble.  PG will be very expensive next summer and Love is still locked up for years to come at a reasonable price.  And even if we offered the max, there is no guarantee PG does not bolt for home (LA).  But it could be that we see our window, both for winning a championship and KLove's value, as starting to shrink.  Who knows if LeBron even plays beyond next season.  I have always said that he is going to retire before his skills diminish.  I don't see LeBron out there like MJ was with the Wizards.     
Your true friends will help you up when someone knocks you down.  Your best friend will say "Stay down, I got this."

Offline BelievelandD1

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 2206
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8526 on: June 19, 2017, 03:24:22 PM »
I think the window is right now. I think a lot of people hope Love will stay after his contract. Another year of losing in the finals will create a whole bunch of uncertainty and get guys feeling the pull elsewhere, along with the fact that Lebron is fighting Father Time. I actually see a scenario where the Cavs may not have to give up Love.  You are correct celtics are out.  I think the lakers are arrogant enough to think he will come next year regardless and may not make a trade.  I think the Cavs may be the only suitors for a Single year and that could drive the price down, otherwise the Pacers have to deal with a year of fans booing him in his home jersey and then him walking with nothing in return.  That being said if it has to be Love, I think you still do it. George can score and rebound and defends at a much higher level
« Last Edit: June 19, 2017, 05:37:18 PM by BelievelandD1 »

Offline Clevelander17

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 4107
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8527 on: June 19, 2017, 05:13:11 PM »
Now hearing that the Cavs are in talks for Jimmy Butler. I think I'd prefer him to Paul George, especially considering Butler is signed through 2020 I believe.

Offline BelievelandD1

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 2206
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8528 on: June 19, 2017, 05:36:23 PM »
Really incredible.  Griffin continues to tAkes risks and make efforts to make the team better. I absolutely agree with him and Gilbert better keep him around

Offline BelievelandD1

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 2206
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8529 on: June 19, 2017, 08:02:18 PM »
Really incredible.  Griffin continues to tAkes risks and make efforts to make the team better. I absolutely agree with him and Gilbert better keep him around

And as I write this, Gilbert is letting griff walk. Unreal.  Stability is the common theme in great sports organizations, this move is puzzling and makes you wonder if Gilbert hasn't learned a thing in all his years...all of his success with this franchise is tied directly to Lebron.  Little man syndrome....

Hopefully Lebron was ok with the move

Offline Mendo

  • 771'-Terminal Tower
  • *******
  • Posts: 1051
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8530 on: June 19, 2017, 08:03:51 PM »
Or maybe not.

David Griffin and Cavaliers to part ways, Chauncey Billups interested

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2017/06/david_griffin_cavaliers_to_par.html#incart_2box

Quote
CLEVELAND -- David Griffin's tenure as the Cavaliers' general manager is ending owner Dan Gilbert announced in a statement.

The owner and GM responsible for bringing the first championship to Cleveland since 1964 and the first in franchise history decided to part ways mutually on Monday.

Offline YABO713

  • 629'-Rhodes State Tower
  • *****
  • Posts: 687
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8531 on: June 19, 2017, 08:17:52 PM »
Really incredible.  Griffin continues to tAkes risks and make efforts to make the team better. I absolutely agree with him and Gilbert better keep him around

And as I write this, Gilbert is letting griff walk. Unreal.  Stability is the common theme in great sports organizations, this move is puzzling and makes you wonder if Gilbert hasn't learned a thing in all his years...all of his success with this franchise is tied directly to Lebron.  Little man syndrome....

Hopefully Lebron was ok with the move

Wasn't unreasonable at all of Griffin. We have an exorbitant payroll on which we pay a luxury tax, but the lowest paid front office.
"They tell me of the River Cuyahoga in the Ohio territory; upon it a great city will emerge." - Correspondence of Thomas Jefferson in drafting 'Notes on the State of Virginia'

Offline BelievelandD1

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 2206
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8532 on: June 19, 2017, 08:50:18 PM »
^i don't think anyone is not on griffins side here. Gilbert taking a beating on social media and in the media.  It comes off really bad for him, micromanaging control freak type stuff. He's gonna piss the players off

Online simplythis

  • 574'-Carew Tower
  • ****
  • Posts: 455
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8533 on: June 19, 2017, 08:54:01 PM »
Horrible horrible news. David Griffin did a fanastic job. Should have been rewarded with a new contract at the going rate.

Offline clvlndr

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 5703
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8534 on: June 19, 2017, 09:12:02 PM »
Dan Gilbert is a control freak.  As ESPN is reporting, in his 12 years as Cavs owner, Gilbert has yet to extend a GM... Griffin only made trades to send the team to 3 consecutive finals and 1 title... I'm fearful this could reignite the LeBron-Gilbert feud with LeBron's contract up after next season.  This is just an absolute foolish move timing-wise given the current trade talks to try and make the team competitive with the Warriors who, at the moment, are clearly superior.

Offline Clevelander17

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 4107
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8535 on: June 20, 2017, 08:00:13 AM »
Supposedly LeBron didn't even know this was going to happen.

What the hell is Gilbert doing?

Offline Hts121

  • UO Supporting Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17743
  • It's still just like your opinion, man
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8536 on: June 20, 2017, 08:30:13 AM »
I think the decision was more Griff's than is being reported.  He probably saw this as his window to make his move.  Orlando is reportedly gonna give him the keys and a huge payday.  For us, better this summer than next.  Whatever happens next summer is going to depend on this coming season, not anything you are now reading from the NBA gossip girls. 
Your true friends will help you up when someone knocks you down.  Your best friend will say "Stay down, I got this."

Offline bumsquare

  • 665'-Queen City Square
  • ******
  • Posts: 949
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8537 on: June 20, 2017, 08:36:21 AM »
No way Lebron wasn't in on this. He also "had no idea" Blatt was getting tossed 🙄

Offline DarkandStormy

  • 629'-Rhodes State Tower
  • *****
  • Posts: 670
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8538 on: June 20, 2017, 09:31:40 AM »
Butler could be intriguing.  I think Stein or Woj said it could be Love to the Suns (or any other 3rd team, really) who would then send the Bulls a package of picks/prospects.  Butler is a very good defender, in the mold of wing player who could play guard, etc.  Just an OK 3 point shooter but that's not a huge deal with some of the guys sticking around.  It would likely necessitate that LeBron or Butler start at the 4 position, though, unless they make another move.

Offline BelievelandD1

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 2206
Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8539 on: June 20, 2017, 09:35:53 AM »
Yeah, with all this...i still think the Cavs make some moves that would make Lebron happy.  If Gilbert is smart the whole Griffin thing coul dbe history with a move or two.  If you get Butler, it would behoove the Cavs to take Wade's contract on as well.  Having Wade here would certainly make Lebron happy.  I think you still have to make another move though as well.  The problem is, Griffin was SO good at it.  When the league has to make a rule because of something your GM did, then your GM was really good.  Billups may not know how to manipulate little windows of money like that.  I would never trade for Carmelo, but if the Knicks buy him out, him signing here for cheap would be a great scenario.

Remove Ads