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« Reply #70 on: March 19, 2007, 07:39:40 PM »
Knocking down historic buildings for such an unproven use seems wasteful to me. I might be convinced by some kind of market analysis, but even then, as others have noted, there is already an abundance of vacant land on Euclid, Superior, Payne, Carnegie, Chester, etc etc etc.

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« Reply #71 on: March 19, 2007, 08:07:38 PM »
Would it be impossible to turn some of those historic buildings into a bike or repair shop? (which would obviously compliment the park).  Perfect location with minimal renovations needed, plus an expected amount of business.   
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« Reply #72 on: March 19, 2007, 10:36:30 PM »
the buildings that are in question, I think, will require a large amount of renovation just to be habitable for any use.  That is the problem that Midtown is having.  But while I understand their frustration, it seems to me that they are looking to demo right when the market may be changing enough to justify major rehab because of things like the EC and the increased interest in development in Midtown and the area around CC.

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« Reply #73 on: March 20, 2007, 03:43:10 AM »
I'm leaning towards the negative side on the bike park for Midtown. To me it does seem like this would be a poor use of this particular site. A bike park might however be fantastic in the Flats somewhere in conjuction with the towpath trail. 

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« Reply #74 on: March 20, 2007, 06:24:16 AM »
ok.  I hear various view point.  but again, it looks as though this is going to happen.

So instead of listing reasons why this can't/won't/shouldn't work lets list reasons why this can/will/should work and list spinoff/ancillary business to further improve & support the park.
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« Reply #75 on: March 20, 2007, 09:57:04 AM »
^ The concept is weird to me. I'm a road biker, so I'm not so familiar with mountain biking. I thought mountain biking culture was all about the mountains like in Portland and Colorado. Are mountain bikers now bring their style of sport to urban areas like BMX and skateboarders?

The one thing that could make this cool, especially with how close it is to the Agora, is to sort of make it an alternative sports neighborhood. You could have the mountain biking park and maybe add-on parks for other related sports. Then the entire area could attract sport-related retailers, hotels, eateries and other businesses. The big issue is, the park HAS to be kick a$$, otherwise it won't make a difference. They've got to create an environment that when people from around the country who like this sort of thing think Cleveland, they think of this park. In that regard, it can't be like the lil' baby parks popping up all over.

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« Reply #76 on: March 20, 2007, 11:26:49 PM »
"The one thing that could make this cool, especially with how close it is to the Agora, is to sort of make it an alternative sports neighborhood. You could have the mountain biking park and maybe add-on parks for other related sports. Then the entire area could attract sport-related retailers, hotels, eateries and other businesses. The big issue is, the park HAS to be kick a$$, otherwise it won't make a difference. They've got to create an environment that when people from around the country who like this sort of thing think Cleveland, they think of this park. In that regard, it can't be like the lil' baby parks popping up all over."


Agreed 100 percent Jamiec!!!!

Done the right way, this could attract a ton of positive national attention.

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« Reply #77 on: March 21, 2007, 12:45:13 PM »
I just heard today that the city's next comprehensive plan, now being finalized, will recommend an urban farm at E. 59th-ish between Chester and Euclid. It's a large vacant parcel. It would be similar to what Boston does with urban farming -- a program where dozens of local youth are employed to maintain the farm and harvest and sell the food on site, with the surplus going to local food banks. I love this idea, as it would create a considerable number jobs in Midtown (unlike a bike park), and would use land that is already vacant, rather than tearing down what little remains of our architectural heritage in this corridor.
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« Reply #78 on: March 21, 2007, 12:58:45 PM »
^Yeah, farming would be cool, but I hope they do some serious soil/groundwater sampling first.  Still not exactly a high-denisty use along our main corridor...
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« Reply #79 on: March 21, 2007, 01:42:42 PM »
another disappointment for midtown....cows, pigs, and chickens, corn????????????...i seen enough of those growing up working on farms in Ashtabula county....not in Midtown Cleveland...wtf is going on with these people. what we'll have John Deeres and Massey Fergusons rollin down the new euclid corridor?  these people hafta be playing some joke.

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« Reply #80 on: March 21, 2007, 02:05:17 PM »
another disappointment for midtown....cows, pigs, and chickens, corn????????????...i seen enough of those growing up working on farms in Ashtabula county....not in Midtown Cleveland...wtf is going on with these people. what we'll have John Deeres and Massey Fergusons rollin down the new euclid corridor?  these people hafta be playing some joke.

I don't know. I think it can go either way. Creating a greater appreciation of food and farming in Cleveland could also be a gateway for eventually working and understanding the culture outside of our city in the rest of Ohio, where farming is certainly an important part of the state's identity.

Not to mention the added benefits should peak oil hit and gas prices go up to $5 and $6 a gallon.. then you'll be begging for urban farms!

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« Reply #81 on: March 21, 2007, 05:11:01 PM »
there isnt near enough land in cleveland for farms to make even the slightest impact pricewise nor production.

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« Reply #82 on: March 21, 2007, 05:12:15 PM »
and the growing season isnt that long so this land wont be used year round...half the year at most

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« Reply #83 on: March 21, 2007, 05:35:26 PM »
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« Reply #84 on: March 21, 2007, 08:17:17 PM »
I don't have a problem with some urban farms. Nice to have some re-localization of food production, and gets kids to get their hands dirty doing something production. I do have a problem with us rapidly paving over some of the best farmland in the world just beyond the urban fringe. But's that for another thread....
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« Reply #85 on: March 21, 2007, 08:58:58 PM »
ughh....This is the spin off development that our $230 million investment is going to bring us?  I hope that these uses are conceived as temporary uses pending redevelopment, otherwise I'm rapidly becoming disgusted with the lack of vision for this corridor.  And yeah, urban farming won't have any practical effect on price or production.

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« Reply #86 on: March 21, 2007, 09:22:29 PM »
Hey, I suggested a few years back that this area be developed into a massive park, modeled after the lovely Central Park. With a mountain bike park and an urban garden connected, this is what I consider joint development and a great way to make a dead-zone more active. Instead of criticizing this area, we should be praising ANY and I mean ***ANY*** development near in this area. And if you don't praise the urban garden or bike park, please do tell me what development we have seen in this area in the last 40 years?

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« Reply #87 on: March 21, 2007, 09:48:11 PM »
The question isn't the last 40 years, its the next 40.  Your logic leads us to the

Midtown west of 55th has seen quite a bit of redevelopment, as has the area around CC/ Beacon Place.  Are we not expecting this development to continue. 

A major public investment is being made in the form of a rebuilt Euclid Ave.  Is this what is going to be leveraged from this investment?

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« Reply #88 on: March 21, 2007, 10:45:59 PM »
^ I am on the same boat as you, X, but I don't think that the sudden announcement of two parks means a bleek future. If you're thinking that we may end up with 50 parks (which won't happen), then we could start worrying. I think these two parks will spur development in the area. Right now it's a very creepy area and the bike park will pay a compliment to the Euclid Corridor. If I was to ride from downtown to UC (which I intend to do), I would be pedaling to metal around E. 55th St. because there is less good than bad in that area right now. Having other people present at parks will create a sense of safety in the area. No longer will the only liveliness in that part of MidTown be at Galucci's picnic benches out front.

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« Reply #89 on: March 21, 2007, 11:11:19 PM »
^With so much area available to redevelop, how would whats being discussed here (maybe not the densest, or most usual form of development) prevent additional development.  If anything it would provide new sparks for unique types of urban development.  And as far as vision goes, what types of development, exactly, are to be expected?  Why not try something different.  It's not like developers are just clammoring over one another to quickly redevelop this land, anyway.  Let this start as a nidus, perhaps we start a Gravity/X Games type distict.  Hell, who knows.
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« Reply #90 on: March 21, 2007, 11:54:41 PM »
It would be a few parcels to aquire, and demolition of a uninspired building. This is what I picture how a bike park could work along the line. Construction along the ECP should be built to urban context standards. It takes a difficult shaped lot and maxes it out. Back parts an expert zone, front beginer. Mixed use building frontage, some type of bike shop with living space up top (yellow). Additionaly they could have indoor part much like that west side location (light blue). More reseidential buildings to fill out other parts of the block (brown).

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« Reply #91 on: March 22, 2007, 02:09:15 PM »
This is the NW corner of East 55th and Euclid, then?  This is where they are planning to do the park?  Something like what you're showing might not be to bad.

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« Reply #92 on: March 22, 2007, 02:55:55 PM »
Is this from the Froggy Eats Pigs a$$ building? Oh well. I saw that picture of how Brooklynesque it was there with the midrise buildings back in the day. Could it be that we torture ourselves with visions of the past?

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« Reply #93 on: March 22, 2007, 03:07:15 PM »
It was just and idea I had how a bike park could better work. I have a prefrence for something like I quickly drew up located on the northwest corner. The article states the bike park plan to be in the northeast corner. The froggy eats pigs a$$ building is the building in question to be demo'ed and the planned location of the bike park.

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« Reply #95 on: March 30, 2007, 02:18:05 PM »
Green Shopping Mall.  Turn it inside  out and it sounds like a great concept for the bike-park area of midtown.

I  envision a relatively low investment necessary to transform a space into a DeConstruction store (art + furnishings + bldg supplies) + GreenPrintShop + Bike Shop + CityWheels + Cafe w/ garden.  I believe you could get a pretty quick ROI with this set-up. 

What think you?  Any ideas to fill the space out?

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The Mall Goes Green
Chicago's Green Exchange will be the first shopping center in the U.S. for environmentally responsible and socially conscious businesses

by Jeffrey Gangemi

Marilyn Jones was a green-business pioneer. Since 1973, the owner and president of Chicago-based Consolidated Printing has been using soy-based inks and recycled paper in her sheet-fed and digital-printing business. And while she admits that in the beginning it wasn't easy being green, Jones says the past three or four years have brought tremendous attention and attracted numerous fellow practitioners to green and socially responsible business.

So many new practitioners have emerged, in fact, that the first mall in the U.S. dedicated to green and socially responsible businesses—Green Exchange—will open in Chicago early in 2008. When it does, Consolidated Printing will be one of its original tenants.

Jones is ecstatic that Chicago will soon have a place where "greenies" can help each other expand their businesses—and attract a critical mass of consumers. "A lot of people are unaware of how many things they can actually purchase that are green," Jones explains. "And it's certainly going to give [small green businesses] visibility on a grander scale than they could achieve as an independent."
Plum Location

The 250,000-square-feet building will hold about 100 vendors. And not just retail outfits. Besides Consolidated Printing, Green Exchange will house an organic restaurant and café, a sustainable furniture store, a green building supply company, an eco-friendly printer, architects and designers focused on sustainability, an environmentally-friendly clothing company, a car-sharing service, a bike shop, and more. And the location is plum: an estimated 350,000 motorists pass the site each day.

The development is capitalizing on a booming market for all things green, organic, and socially responsible (see BusinessWeek.com, Summer 2006, "Do You Need to be Green?"). The Organic Trade Assn. says sales of organic foods are expected to expand by 20% annually over the next few years, and the market for green residential construction and building materials, not counting residential remodeling, is forecast to grow from $7.2 billion in 2005 to between $19 billion and $38 billion in 2010, according to the National Association of Home Builders and McGraw-Hill Construction.

By providing a concentration of green and socially responsible businesses, Green Exchange is helping small green providers get bigger and attract more business in an environment that reinforces their ideals. "Since we have this mission, having a place to rent that goes along with that mission is really important," says Ori Sivan, president of Greenmaker Supply, a Chicago-based building materials supply company that will be a Green Exchange tenant.
Taking the LEED

It's also making it easier for individual small businesses to help each other. Future tenants are working together on "a collaborative marketing and support network," an online community that provides an e-commerce platform, and a number of events that will eventually be planned for the space. And one of the tenants, Greenmaker Supply, is offering to help each tenant build out their own space using green materials.

Once completed, Green Exchange won't only be a home for green businesses, it will be the product of one. Baum Development, a 40-employee Chicago-based real estate development company, is developing the site according to LEED (Leadership in Energy & Environmental Design) standards, which is a rating system developed by the U.S. Green Building Council.

The LEED Green Building Rating System provides benchmarks for the design, construction, and operation of green buildings by recognizing performance in five key areas: sustainable site development, water savings, energy efficiency, materials selection, and indoor environmental quality.
The Right Mix

Hartshorne & Plunkard, the construction company carrying out the building project, along with Baum, is taking care to preserve many of the historical features of the building. At the same time, the team will also comply with LEED standards when renovating by incorporating an energy-efficient environment, a green roof, clean air quality, a landscaped courtyard, bike rooms, meeting and event space, priority hybrid parking, and on-site parking.

Of course, an entirely green project presents its share of challenges. Since the building will only be open to tenants who are doing some kind of ecologically responsible business, the potential pool is smaller than normal. But therein lies the project's uniqueness. "Our biggest challenge is finding the tenant mix, but that will also be what will make it fantastic," says David Baum, co-owner of Baum Development.

If successful, the idea of a green mall could soon spread to other cities. If it does, then the next generation of mall rats just might be helping to save the world when they shop.

Jeffrey Gangemi is a freelance writer based in Mendoza, Argentina.

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« Reply #96 on: June 05, 2007, 01:16:50 PM »
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Cuyahoga agency plans new HQ

By JAY MILLER

11:20 am, June 12, 2007

The Cuyahoga County Community Mental Health Board plans to construct a new headquarters building in the Midtown neighborhood.

The three-story headquarters would sit on a now-vacant piece of land on the north side of Euclid Avenue between East 69th and East 79th streets. Mental health board chairwoman Bonita Caplan said the building likely will cost between $10 million and $13 million.

Paul Volpe of City Architecture is designing the building, which Ms. Caplan said would be built to green building standards.

The mental health board plans, finances and monitors mental health programs in the county. It has 64 employees and a $120 million annual budget that comes from state and federal Medicaid funds and from a county appropriation.

Ms. Caplan told the board’s executive committee a new building would give the agency “better space for the same money” it now pays to rent three floors of a building at West 25th Street and Detroit Avenue. She said the agency has talked about a new building before but is moving now of current low interest rates.

Robert Carson, a member of the agency’s board of governors, said owning a building will allow the mental health board to build equity, and that a building along the Euclid Corridor transit line will boost the Midtown neighborhood.



Other tenants in tow

James Haviland, executive director of MidTown Cleveland Inc., an economic development organization that supports Midtown, is enthused about prospects for the new structure.

“It’s right in the middle of our mixed-use district, (and) it’s everything we’ve asked for in our master plan and zoning,” Mr. Haviland said.

Plans are for a 45,000-square-foot building, with the mental health board taking about 30,000 square feet and leasing the rest.

It already has two tenants lined up: NAMI of Greater Cleveland, an advocacy organization for the mentally ill affiliated with the National Alliance on Mental Illness, and Cuyahoga Tapestry System of Care, an organization that serves children with serious emotional needs. The two organizations currently lease space from the mental health board.

Ms. Caplan said the agency is exploring financing possibilities, including private financing or bonding through the Cleveland-Cuyahoga County Port Authority. The goal, she said, is for the agency to be in the new building by fall 2008, when the Euclid Corridor work is expected to be completed.

The mental health board is unveiling its plan for the new building on Wednesday, June 13, at Dunham Tavern, which would be the agency’s next-door neighbor.





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« Reply #98 on: June 12, 2007, 12:05:50 PM »
Great, now Volpe can piss all over Euclid Avenue.  How does this guy keep getting work?  Oh wait, I know, his unsettling connections with the city.  Prepare for EIFS cornices and fake columns to mimic the "context" of Aldi's and that church.
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« Reply #99 on: June 12, 2007, 12:06:35 PM »
And this thing is going to be 10 blocks long?
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« Reply #100 on: June 12, 2007, 12:39:14 PM »
I'm curious to see what effect this has on W.25th and Detroit.

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« Reply #101 on: June 12, 2007, 01:23:53 PM »
Hopefully, it'll mean that we can start to talk seriously about building on those parking lots on the north side of Detroit... the sad side of the gateway to the West Side!  Based on what we've seen on the other end of the W. 25th Street business corridor, old buildings of that size have a nice little niche market for office and residential tenants.  With the other projects in the works on that stretch, it seems like a no brainer. 

I'll hold judgment on the building's desing on Euclid Avenue until after I've seen it.  If it's adhering to the new zoning overlay, they'll have to have activity on the sidewalk frontage and parking in the rear.

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Silver Line’s impact taking shape
As first stops near completion, construction deals rise right along with property values
 
“We wouldn’t be doing this if the Euclid Corridor project were not being done,” said Scott Garson, a principal in Victory Lofts LLC, which will bring 102 loft apartments to the Victory Building at East 70th Street. 

By JAY MILLER

4:30 am, August 6, 2007

With the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority’s Silver Line bus-rapid transit little more than a year from its first paying run, the expectation that the new line would stimulate economic development slowly is becoming a reality.

No boulevard in Northeast Ohio is currently in as deep despair as Euclid Avenue. But with the road construction beginning to show signs of new transit stops, “people have a visual clue as to what Euclid Avenue will be,” said Joseph Marinucci, president and CEO of the Downtown Cleveland Alliance.

This is especially the case in Midtown, where new deals and transactions are being made at a steady pace and where property values are rising in anticipation of future development opportunities.

A $10 million transformation of a former office building into 102 loft apartments is under way at the Victory Building at East 70th Street, the first new, multi-family residential building along Euclid.

Across the street, the Cuyahoga County Community Mental Health Board has plans for a $10 million headquarters building.

Local 18 of the International Union of Operating Engineers has bought the parcel at the southwest corner of Euclid and East 36th Street for an expansion of its headquarters that sit on the lot behind on Prospect Avenue.

Both the land purchased by the operating engineers and a second parcel a block away have changed hands at above-market prices.

With this activity, the redevelopment of upper Euclid is beginning to meet the economic development goals of the civic leaders who championed the $200 million bus-rapid transit line along the city’s main thoroughfare.

This kind of transit-oriented development is part of what RTA touted when it pushed local and federal officials to fund the Silver Line project. The concept is built on the notion that there is a desire among some people to live and work in a neighborhood that harks back to the time before cars were so ubiquitous, when people sought to live and businesses sought to cluster around bus and streetcar stops.


Moving down the line

Midtown took particular notice of the coming of the line and in 2004 began pushing, successfully, for a new zoning code for the area that encourages development around the Silver Line stations.

James Haviland, executive director of MidTown Cleveland Inc., a community development organization, said his group’s neighborhood master plan and the new zoning code approved more than a year ago by the city of Cleveland gives developers some sense of how the corridor will look in the years ahead. It favors residential development and buildings with a higher density — of three stories or more clustered around the transit stops. The new zoning, for example, won’t allow single-story fast food restaurants or used car lots to expand their grip on Euclid in Midtown.

Indeed, some of the current development interest focuses around stops on the RTA’s Silver Line. Both the mental health board building and the Victory lofts are a few steps away from a transit stop at East 71st Street.

Scott Garson, a principal in Victory Lofts LLC and a real estate broker with NAI Daus, said the $10 million Victory Lofts will be carved out of a four-story former office building that he and his development partners purchased in December 2005 for $2.1 million.

Mr. Garson believes the lofts will be attractive to University Circle-area students and workers who want to avoid that congested area’s traffic and parking problems.

The units all run about 1,000 square feet in a single open space, save for the kitchen and bathroom.

“We wouldn’t be doing this if the Euclid Corridor project were not being done,” Mr. Garson said. “There is a (transit) stop right in front of the building.”

The Cuyahoga County Community Mental Health Board has plans to build a new headquarters building on a now-vacant piece of land on the north side of Euclid Avenue between East 69th and East 79th streets. The board will decide, perhaps as soon as this week, whether to go ahead with the project.

The three-story headquarters will cost about $10 million, said board chief executive officer William Denihan, and bring 75 employees, including those of related organizations including NAMI of Greater Cleveland, an advocacy organization for the mentally ill affiliated with the National Alliance on Mental Illness, and the Cuyahoga Tapestry System of Care, an organization that serves children with serious emotional needs. The two organizations currently lease space from the mental health board.

Farther west on Euclid, the operating engineers union in March of this year paid $1.3 million for the land at 3600 Euclid for its headquarters expansion. Business manager Patrick Sink did not return four calls made to talk about the expansion plans.

“We’re seeing an increase in real estate values and an increase in serious interest by investors who have an interest in making an investment,” Mr. Haviland said.

Another property, the Stockbridge Apartments at 3328 Euclid changed hands in January for $2.3 million. The property, purchased by the Sandlow Family Trust of Los Angeles, had a market value of $871,800, according to county tax records.


On pace for progress

In addition, two projects begun last year are moving to fruition.

Developer Richard Pace is completing the renovation of the former Baker Motor Car Co. building at 7100 Euclid into an office building for small technology-oriented businesses and Heartland Developers Inc., and the Cowden Humphrey Co. law firm are renovating a 50,000-square-foot office building at 4600 Euclid for use by the law firm and other tenants.

RTA also is doing what it can. It is offering two properties it owns in Midtown — at 4601 Euclid and 6611 Euclid — for sale for future development. A spokesman said neither of these properties has yet been sold.

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« Reply #103 on: August 06, 2007, 10:40:43 AM »
Great news. 

I took a few seconds to make a snapshot and point out where it looks like these developments will happen.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.  EDIT:  Updated the Victory Lofts marker.
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« Reply #104 on: August 06, 2007, 12:17:45 PM »
Great news indeed.

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