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Re: Cleveland: Warehouse District Developments
« Reply #140 on: July 25, 2010, 11:21:16 AM »
They did have this property on the last Landmark's Commisssion agenda.  There are quite a few pictures of the strucutre with some in what looks like a tunnel/basement. 
It also looks like they plan to install some attractive :| signage and landscaping at that corner :roll:, to complement the new surface parking. 

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« Reply #141 on: July 25, 2010, 03:10:25 PM »
Just so I am clear, is the building coming down also? Hard to tell from the pics.
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« Reply #142 on: July 25, 2010, 06:37:03 PM »
From this pic in the landmark commission agenda it looks like the old building is coming down too.  I guess a lot is better than a condemned structure.



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« Reply #143 on: July 25, 2010, 07:13:20 PM »

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Re: Cleveland: Warehouse District Developments
« Reply #144 on: July 25, 2010, 07:19:40 PM »
Hmmm.. More flowering pears/junipers  that will end up half dead.... (sigh!) I wish planners would sometimes listen to other people besides landscapers to choose some much better and suitable and definitive for Ohio plants. If we are going to have all these empty lots, then they can at least be looking the best they can. Consult with Ohio Prairie Nursery and Cleveland Museum of Natural History. I guarantee these planter beds will not be maintained. Just look at the existing ones surrounding the existing lots... All the parking lots.. GRRR!! Its all an abomination, especially when seen from the Terminal Tower OB Deck! Sorry, I just cannot get excited about this or find a positive twist.
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Re: Cleveland: Warehouse District Developments
« Reply #145 on: July 26, 2010, 08:11:49 AM »
What's this new Numb'rs place on Frankfort?  I saw there sign go up last week, but I haven't been able to find any information on the place.  Anyone?

Howard Hanna finally put up a permanent sign at their St. Clair offices.  It's fairly unattractive and about a year and a half late, but whatever.  At least they stayed in the building.

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« Reply #146 on: July 26, 2010, 11:42:27 AM »
Numb'rs have been there since the 80s.  I was a gay club.
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« Reply #147 on: July 26, 2010, 12:00:50 PM »
I wouldn't worry too much about the demolition of that building.  There is no scenario where that structure was going to stick around.  It is historic in that it is, as i have heard, the oldest building outside of the dunham tavern.  But anything 'historic' in nature was removed decades ago.  The facade is long lost and it can not be restored.  There were discussions taking place when stark was involved to save some of the bricks and stone and potentially reuse them on a portion of the new development with some sort of plaque. But that was about it.  Given the condition of that garage and incorporated building, the fact that there would have been no way to restore said building, and certainly could not have been incorporated into any type of development we would like to see... this may be the first case in the history of civilazation where the demolition of a structure replaced by surface parking may actually be an aesthetic improvement.  here's to hoping that some time this century, economic conditions improve and the right type of development can take place on these properties.  At least the owners actually want to develop these parking lots, that is a first step. credit markets allowing development would be a nice second step.
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Re: Cleveland: Warehouse District Developments
« Reply #148 on: July 26, 2010, 12:01:34 PM »
Numb'rs have been there since the 80s.  I was a gay club.

You were a gay club???  :?

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Re: Cleveland: Warehouse District Developments
« Reply #149 on: July 26, 2010, 12:19:35 PM »
Numb'rs have been there since the 80s.  I was a gay club.

Uh...  It's been Motion, a female strip club, since around 2007 or so.  It was another female strip club by a different name before that.

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« Reply #150 on: July 26, 2010, 12:31:52 PM »
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« Reply #151 on: July 26, 2010, 12:40:53 PM »
I wouldn't worry too much about the demolition of that building.  There is no scenario where that structure was going to stick around.  It is historic in that it is, as i have heard, the oldest building outside of the dunham tavern.  But anything 'historic' in nature was removed decades ago.  The facade is long lost and it can not be restored.  There were discussions taking place when stark was involved to save some of the bricks and stone and potentially reuse them on a portion of the new development with some sort of plaque. But that was about it.  Given the condition of that garage and incorporated building, the fact that there would have been no way to restore said building, and certainly could not have been incorporated into any type of development we would like to see... this may be the first case in the history of civilazation where the demolition of a structure replaced by surface parking may actually be an aesthetic improvement.  here's to hoping that some time this century, economic conditions improve and the right type of development can take place on these properties.  At least the owners actually want to develop these parking lots, that is a first step. credit markets allowing development would be a nice second step.

Is this the building that was occupied by Stark Ent.?  The one that had the disgusting yellow/brown facade that was painted in recent years to actually look respectable?
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« Reply #152 on: July 26, 2010, 12:54:34 PM »
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« Reply #153 on: July 26, 2010, 01:05:26 PM »
it would have been nice if the city could have required standard parking to extend the landscaping buffers on at least one side of the lot - for instance continuing down w6 to frankfurt.   

as bad as these surface lots are, they are a lot better when there is a landscape buffer - as exists along the north side of much of frankfurt for instance.
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« Reply #154 on: July 26, 2010, 01:15:29 PM »
Numb'rs have been there since the 80s.  I was a gay club.

Uh...  It's been Motion, a female strip club, since around 2007 or so.  It was another female strip club by a different name before that.

I can't remember ever seeing Motion open since I moved downtown in late 2008. 

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« Reply #155 on: July 26, 2010, 02:10:50 PM »
Numb'rs have been there since the 80s.  I was a gay club.

You were a gay club???  :?

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« Reply #156 on: July 26, 2010, 05:25:37 PM »
Numb'rs have been there since the 80s.  I was a gay club.

Uh...  It's been Motion, a female strip club, since around 2007 or so.  It was another female strip club by a different name before that.

I can adamantly vouch that it used to be a female strip club.

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Re: Cleveland: Warehouse District Developments
« Reply #157 on: July 27, 2010, 05:56:55 AM »
Numb'rs have been there since the 80s.  I was a gay club.

Uh...  It's been Motion, a female strip club, since around 2007 or so.  It was another female strip club by a different name before that.

I can adamantly vouch that it used to be a female strip club.

But it was a gay club prior to that.  I'm sure I didn't go there on Tuesday's and Friday's to see T&A!
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Re: Cleveland: Warehouse District Developments
« Reply #158 on: July 27, 2010, 06:06:28 AM »
Note the spelling folks - 620 Frankfort was Numbers (a gay club) for quite some time - I want to say the late 80s to the mid-90s. It then became Atlantis (still a gay club) for a year or so. Then it became Hydra (a strip club), then Motion (another strip club). As to what "Numbr's" is, who knows?

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Re: Cleveland: Warehouse District Developments
« Reply #159 on: July 27, 2010, 08:19:28 AM »
... this may be the first case in the history of civilazation where the demolition of a structure replaced by surface parking may actually be an aesthetic improvement. 

Agreed. The core building may have been historic but the current structure was a frankenstein mess of additions and facades. 2 story parking deck? huh?
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Re: Cleveland: Warehouse District Developments
« Reply #160 on: July 27, 2010, 08:38:46 AM »
Numb'rs have been there since the 80s.  I was a gay club.

Uh...  It's been Motion, a female strip club, since around 2007 or so.  It was another female strip club by a different name before that.

I can adamantly vouch that it used to be a female strip club.

But it was a gay club prior to that.  I'm sure I didn't go there on Tuesday's and Friday's to see T&A!

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Re: Cleveland: Warehouse District Developments
« Reply #161 on: July 27, 2010, 11:06:42 AM »
What is a female strip club? Is that where females go to strip? Is that where females go to watch other females strip? Is that where females go to watch men strip, or is that where males go to watch females strip? I know there is one more kind but I do not want to get into that. 

If it is the last, then you just shoudl have said a "strip club".  I would have understood that.  Adding "female" confuses me. 

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« Reply #162 on: July 27, 2010, 11:09:50 AM »
^Boy some banks have got to start lending some developers $$$ if this is all we are left to discuss in this thread.

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« Reply #163 on: July 27, 2010, 01:19:58 PM »
What is a female strip club? Is that where females go to strip?

Yes.

Is that where females go to watch other females strip?

Perhaps, if the women going like that sort of thing.

Is that where females go to watch men strip,

No.

or is that where males go to watch females strip?

Yes.

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« Reply #164 on: July 28, 2010, 10:32:43 AM »
i wish i could just "like" someones post.. that would be cool. but i nod my head jborger. your post has been liked.

I would also like to say that i am not necessarily a proponent of this building coming down. i think whatever is put up there needs to have some sort of public walkway maybe underground access with glass so you can see the oldest building in the city and its foundation. i think things like that are important. i think its a shame this will become a parking lot. even though it was ugly before. its still going to be ugly now.
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« Reply #165 on: July 28, 2010, 10:57:49 AM »
i wish i could just "like" someones post.. that would be cool. but i nod my head jborger. your post has been liked.

I would also like to say that i am not necessarily a proponent of this building coming down. i think whatever is put up there needs to have some sort of public walkway maybe underground access with glass so you can see the oldest building in the city and its foundation. i think things like that are important. i think its a shame this will become a parking lot. even though it was ugly before. its still going to be ugly now.

I don't understand that.  I'm not sure that would even be a draw or cost effective.  As said earlier the majority of the buildings "historical" makeup has been stripped.
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« Reply #166 on: July 28, 2010, 11:38:52 AM »
plus doing so would essentially completely end the thought of ever developing this portion of the block.
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« Reply #167 on: July 28, 2010, 11:58:32 AM »
If we're serious about preserving an old building in downtown Cleveland, then save the 1840s building on Ontario just south of Prospect...

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,7006.msg501862.html#msg501862

Please discuss this building at the above link so we can continue to discuss Warehouse District developments here.
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« Reply #168 on: July 29, 2010, 11:25:17 AM »
Please take any discussion of Warehouse District Safety or crowd control here:

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24137.0.html

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« Reply #169 on: July 29, 2010, 11:30:20 AM »
^I tried... but I guess it takes Moderator authority to enforce...

Anyway, back on topic.  Has anyone noticed how business has been in the new outdoor bar of Metro Kitchen or whatever it's called?
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« Reply #170 on: July 29, 2010, 11:42:22 AM »
plus doing so would essentially completely end the thought of ever developing this portion of the block.

naw my suggestion is simply based on a whim.. i havent been to the site in years. im just curious if it were at all possible to at least save some of the foundation and expose it somewhere. it would be just a nice gesture to the city, its history, and give the site SOME merit. if they want to build over it they still can.
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« Reply #171 on: July 29, 2010, 01:45:20 PM »
Anyway, back on topic.  Has anyone noticed how business has been in the new outdoor bar of Metro Kitchen or whatever it's called?

I've been there a few times (Thursday's and Friday's mostly) and it's been crowded every time.  Not so crowded that we couldn't get a seat, but the outdoor space was always packed and inside was usually pretty full.  Their bar is really nice inside and the whole place has been done very well.  The outdoor bar is also a VERY welcome addition to the neighborhood.  Hopefully they put in some outdoor heater things so that space can be enjoyed deep into the fall.

Oh, and the food's not bad either.  The hamburger's are pretty awesome.  I've also had the half chicken (very good) and the ribeye (OK, but undercooked.  Asked for medium got rare).  I recommend it for a happy hour + dinner.  The happy hour deals are very good for a place like that and it's just a nice, casual, reasonably priced place.  Fills the gap between the nice expensive places (Blue Point, XO, Johnny's, Chophouse, Crop) and the bars that serve food (Nauti Mermaid, Panini's, Barley House, Golic's, House of Cues, Map Room, etc).
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« Reply #172 on: July 29, 2010, 02:39:02 PM »
^Wow, thanks for the report.  Looks like the sidewalk widening has been great for the street.
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« Reply #173 on: July 29, 2010, 06:34:13 PM »
What is a female strip club? Is that where females go to strip?

Yes.

Is that where females go to watch other females strip?

Perhaps, if the women going like that sort of thing.

Is that where females go to watch men strip,

No.

or is that where males go to watch females strip?

Yes.


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« Reply #174 on: July 29, 2010, 07:28:00 PM »
Numb'rs is a slot machine gaming hall that will have slot machines which are based on skill, not luck. Thus they are legal in Ohio. Prizes will be awarded as gift cards, tokens, etc. instead of cash. I believe they will be open starting this weekend.

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