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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #175 on: July 28, 2006, 01:00:14 PM »
Type: Mixed-Use
Project Name: 515 Euclid Avenue Parking Garage & Tower
City: Cleveland
State: OH
Client: Ohio Savings Bank

Features: 524-car spaces on seven supported levels plus grade with 11,000 sq. ft. of ground level commercial/retail space, 20,000 sq. ft. ballroom and 240 residential units.

Description: The 515 Euclid Building is situated on the northwest corner of East 6th Street and Euclid Avenue. It is a mixed-use development designed to house 524 parking spaces beneath a 240 unit high rise, luxury condominium tower. It will also contain a 20,000 square foot ballroom and 11,000 square feet of grade level commercial retail. The urban site has dictated an architectural solution conducive of a downtown office building. The structural framing system is cast-in-place concrete with a combination of glass and cast stone panels as the architectural facade material. The pictures above show the completion of the 524 space parking garage and the rendering on the right shows the next phase of this project, a 19-story vertical condominium addition.

DESMAN is the prime Architect and Structural Engineer of Record and Parking Consultant. Richard Fleischman Architects are the Design Architects.



thats what it says on the architech website

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #176 on: November 12, 2006, 09:50:19 PM »
I would agree that leasings on Lower Euclid may be sparse until the completion of the Corridor.  I talked to someone close to the leasing operations for one of the buildings in Playhouse Square, and potential tenants are paying for options to the storefronts in that building that would allow them the opportunity to lease after the completion of the Corridor. 

I also heard from a non-profit currently headquartered in a storefront on Lower Euclid that they will likely be forced out at the end of their lease, due to cost projections for the space based on a completed Corridor.

DAMN IT! So we're stuck with Spookytown Avenue until at least 2008??

I walk by the 515 storefronts and think of all the cool stores that could go in there. But it'd be pretty stupid to open something knowing how hard street/sidewalk construction hurts a business.
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #177 on: November 13, 2006, 08:13:19 AM »
we'll just put in a wilson's leather

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #178 on: November 13, 2006, 08:36:10 AM »
^I've heard that the Hanna Building is not going to put its first floor vacancies on the market until the Silverline is up and running.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #179 on: November 13, 2006, 09:28:26 AM »
And while these vacancies suck now, the delay does give the Design District time to get off the ground. If the District can get at least a dozen showrooms lined up, ready to open with the completion of the ECP, it will certainly up the ante for neighboring retail along lower Euclid.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #180 on: November 13, 2006, 10:03:44 AM »
And while these vacancies suck now, the delay does give the Design District time to get off the ground. If the District can get at least a dozen showrooms lined up, ready to open with the completion of the ECP, it will certainly up the ante for neighboring retail along lower Euclid.

I would hope that either the design showrooms in Beachwood move downtown (sucks for me but for the greater good of the city) or those showrooms open up second locations and NEW showrooms come into the market!
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #181 on: August 01, 2008, 10:42:11 AM »
I've renamed this topic to delete the word "garage" from its title and moved it back to projects/construction since it now appears this is finally becoming more than just a big parking deck on Euclid...



http://clevelandcityliving.blogspot.com/2008/08/gateway-church-to-open-downtown-cafe.html

Friday, August 1, 2008
Gateway Church to Open Downtown Cafe

Can a Downtown Christian Church really run a business? When you consider all the people and parts that make up the congregation, the answer looks to be "Absolutely!" Information is beginning to pour in about this future addition to Downtown Cleveland. No matter what your faith is, this is defintely a project worth supporting.

"Nexus" which means "a place of connection," is the vision of the Gateway Church lead by Pastor Alex Ennes. The video for the project is on YouTube here: NEXUS. The plans highlight a grand opening at the 515 Euclid Avenue Building, but the actual site remains to be finalized.

So what is this Gateway Church? Besides being a Christian church giving weekly services in downtown Cleveland (at Pickwick and Frolic), Gateway is a service based organization that supports our downtown. If you stroll down West 9th St. and see flowers that look brand new, trees planted where they never used to be, and hedges pruned where there used to be overgrowth, there's a good chance Gateway was behind it. The members of Gateway Church support the motto: Love :: Live :: Serve.

Live, refers to living in community- in this case Cleveland. Serve, refers to serving the city. Pastor Alex told me a while back that he believes people are better supported by each other and serve more freely when they live in highly concentrated communities. Our Downtown needed just that!

In just over a year, Gateway Church has become a staple in our downtown community. The concept for Nexus, while risky, is already supported by over $50,000 of capital, and this is just the early planning stages. If you'd like to help with Nexus, or if you're interested in the church itself, visit http://www.gatewaycleveland.com/ and fill out a contact form.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #182 on: August 01, 2008, 10:43:52 AM »
I'm confused, is the cafe going in 515 or not?

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« Reply #183 on: August 01, 2008, 10:44:23 AM »
the Video

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« Reply #184 on: August 01, 2008, 10:53:15 AM »
Um, OK.  Im not sure what to say........
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #185 on: August 01, 2008, 10:59:09 AM »
Jesus saves vacant storefronts!

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« Reply #186 on: August 01, 2008, 10:59:37 AM »
Jesus saves vacant storefronts!

Hold to the glory!
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« Reply #187 on: August 01, 2008, 11:05:38 AM »
I like it.

Even if your faith (or non-belief) doesn't agree with them, what a great show of community, and nice mixed-used space.  I'd be very happy to see it happen.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #188 on: August 01, 2008, 11:14:10 AM »

Hi all,

So much for some upscale retail. Hopefully they are not a hellfire and brimstone kind of church. Warm nuzzles and bear hugz to all.

Jim S.



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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #189 on: August 01, 2008, 11:16:52 AM »
Worlds Biggest Church Coffeehouse!

That is seriously a strange mix of religion and downtown development.
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #190 on: August 01, 2008, 11:21:35 AM »
Euclid already has a church coffeehouse at Trinity Commons.

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« Reply #191 on: August 01, 2008, 12:04:01 PM »
^Is this like a common concept that I'm just ignorant to? Church coffee houses

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« Reply #192 on: August 01, 2008, 12:05:59 PM »
^Is this like a common concept that I'm just ignorant to? Church coffee houses

I don't know.  my church does donuts after the 10 AM once a month.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #193 on: August 01, 2008, 12:11:34 PM »
the goldberg's should never be allowed to develop another property again.  Please... stick to banking.
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« Reply #194 on: August 01, 2008, 12:11:48 PM »
^Is this like a common concept that I'm just ignorant to? Church coffee houses

I'm sure there are many out there, but usually not in enormous, brand-new storefronts with 15 ft ceilings.  In the video they described blowing through the studs of an unfinished interior wall, so maybe it will occupy two gigantic storefronts.   Sounds cozy.

Will these guys really be able to afford higher rent than the furniture store idea that the these landlords poo-pooed?
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #195 on: August 01, 2008, 12:20:26 PM »
Kind of surprising news, but hey, sounds good to me just the same.

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« Reply #196 on: August 01, 2008, 12:26:53 PM »
Better Luck next week on the development news front.  This week was booooooring.  Dimora jinxed us from the start. 
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« Reply #197 on: August 01, 2008, 12:32:03 PM »
Will these guys really be able to afford higher rent than the furniture store idea that the these landlords poo-pooed?

The only person that knows this is the church and the leasing agent.  You don't really think they would let them rent out space without the proper finances?

Come on guys its development or is this a case of sour grapes.  Next we'll hear, "Yes, it is development, but on the other hand we should expect better!"?

It hasn't even opened, we have not seen the finished store or seen a product line.

This guy seems genuine, hyped and excited about being in downtown.

Why not invite him to the conversation, to find out more, instead of skeptical?
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« Reply #198 on: August 01, 2008, 12:32:49 PM »
^Is this like a common concept that I'm just ignorant to? Church coffee houses

I'm sure there are many out there, but usually not in enormous, brand-new storefronts with 15 ft ceilings.  In the video they described blowing through the studs of an unfinished interior wall, so maybe it will occupy two gigantic storefronts.   Sounds cozy.

I see a chance to recycle the stained glass windows Seicer discovered

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,297.0/msg,312319.html

Regarding the use, I guess I'm ok with it. Better this than an empty storefront. As long as they can pay the rent, and don't prosletize over my morning bagel, I'm good with the idea.
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« Reply #199 on: August 01, 2008, 12:37:06 PM »
^Is this like a common concept that I'm just ignorant to? Church coffee houses

I'm sure there are many out there, but usually not in enormous, brand-new storefronts with 15 ft ceilings.  In the video they described blowing through the studs of an unfinished interior wall, so maybe it will occupy two gigantic storefronts.   Sounds cozy.

I see a chance to recycle the stained glass windows Seicer discovered

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,297.0/msg,312319.html
LMAO!!!
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« Reply #200 on: August 01, 2008, 12:57:55 PM »
If it is anything like Trinity Commons, it will be very low key about being religiously founded.  It is really just a nice cafe.  I think we will see the same thing here.

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« Reply #201 on: August 01, 2008, 01:20:57 PM »
I've actually been meaning to check out Gateway Church. They were meeting at Pickwick and Frolic on Sundays. There was a write up about them a few months back and they actually sound like very nice people.

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« Reply #202 on: August 01, 2008, 01:32:03 PM »
^Their work and focus on civic improvement sounds very admirable and a wonderful presence in the community.

The only person that knows this is the church and the leasing agent.  You don't really think they would let them rent out space without the proper finances?

And if there was any indication that Goldberg was on board, my skepticism would melt away instantly.  Did you see the video?  It was literally requesting donations to make this project happen.  Maybe we should start a collection for a high end fashion retailer.

I'm not against this project at all, I'm just trying to sort our what to make of it.  Sure, Trinity Cathedral has Trinity Commons, but that occupies tax exempt church-owned property and is bankrolled by one of the deepest pocketed congregations in the state.  The economics of this project are completely different.
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« Reply #203 on: August 01, 2008, 09:02:05 PM »
^Is this like a common concept that I'm just ignorant to? Church coffee houses

A similar concept with two locations in Northeast Ohio (Middleburg and Mentor) and also a location in Gahanna
http://www.seekerscoffeehouse.com/v5/2.0.0.php

Our Mission Statement
Seekers® Coffee House & Café is a God ordained vision. Our purpose is to unite all people, especially Christians, and to "subtly" evangelize to non-believers. This is accomplished by creating a coffee house & café atmosphere that provides a venue for ALL people to gather.

Franchise opportunities available...

See also: http://www.christiancoffeehouse.info/find.htm

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« Reply #204 on: August 01, 2008, 09:24:29 PM »
Even as a practising Catholic, I can't see how this would be good unless they really kept their religious affiliation on the downlow. I don't see downtown populations as particularly religious people either... I dunno, I am just going to be kind of cautious before I welcome to openly.

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« Reply #205 on: August 01, 2008, 11:03:23 PM »
I know of another church which I used to attend in the Cleveland area that has long held a similar vision.  They basically want to create a niche for themselves in the community, not scream at people and insult them.  I think some of us may be letting a negative bias for religion impede our views of this project.  A cafe could create a cool spot in the neighborhood that would help bring even more life to the area.  Let's at least wait to hear more about the plans before knocking it out of a distaste for Christianity.  That doesn't even make sense. 

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« Reply #206 on: August 02, 2008, 12:06:20 AM »
With all due respect to the more spiriual on this board, in no way can I see this as a good thing, regardless of how much of a reasonable, nice guy the man in MTS' video appeared.  We have a diverse downtown and city in terms of race, ethnic, religious, sex-orientation, etc... We need major downtown venues, esp in such key locations like this one for downtown's present and future, to be welcoming and comfortable to ALL people and not just Christians.  There are much, much better uses for this space and, I for one, hope their fundraising for this space by Gateway Church is unsuccessful.
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« Reply #207 on: August 02, 2008, 07:52:00 AM »
I knew it.  Something is happening and we're all having a "cleveland.bomb" moment. 

Apparently no other business has SUCCESSFULLY moved into the space and you folks complain BEFORE even seeing LTP, financial package, construction & building plans/blueprints, product lines, decor, etc.

This could turn out to be a really interesting and as a café keep people on the street since it is in a prominent location.

I sincerely hope that the folks here on UO can be impartial until all detail and information on this project are released, before condemning the business.
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« Reply #208 on: August 02, 2008, 09:10:08 AM »
^That's exactly what I'm saying, MTS.  Don't get upset about it just because it has something to do with a church.  We don't have any details at all yet, and you have no idea what it will be like. 

Clvlndr, it might interest you to know that there used to be a similar type of establishment in Old Brooklyn on Pearl Road about seven or eight years ago.  The place would have live performances by local musicians a couple of nights a week (and no, they were not just a bunch of Christian bands, they were just talented local musicians that played while people were drinking coffee).  It was actually an alright place and brought a lot of people out from the neighborhood.  I'm giving it a chance in case it becomes something like that.  At no point did anyone say that they plan on opening this up to only Christians and discriminating against others.  It's not a matter of who is or is not spiritual.  It is a matter of us not having hardly any information and people already saying that it is bad news because they read the word "church" in there.  As I said before, that doesn't even make sense.  Just wait for more information before saying it's terrible.

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« Reply #209 on: August 02, 2008, 09:44:43 AM »
All I'm saying is that I am having a hard time picturing myself or anyone I know (even the Christians) feeling at all comfortable in such an establishment. It sounds like a fine idea for somewhere else, but it's bizarre that it's going to be at such a prominent location.

Oh well, the project probably will never even get off the ground, so what am I complaining about?

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