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Re: Regarding 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #105 on: April 28, 2005, 02:26:30 PM »
bizbiz...welcome!

Have you checked out the original 515 thread?

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=489.90

There's lotsa chatter on there about present and future. 

We'd all love to see more pictures!

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Re: Regarding 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #106 on: April 28, 2005, 03:06:26 PM »
Thanks for the welcome Mister Good Day.. and thanks for the link to the original 515 Euclid thread! I drove past 515 Euclid today to re-count the number of levels from behind and I counted 8, if not 9.. it looks topped out now, but you never know. So the entire 5 level parking garage just doesn't make sense at this point - there is more than 5 levels. I was having a hard time believing 800 spots could fit within 5 levels. That is over 150 parking spaces per level - I just don't see that possible - however, the garage goes way back behind and down E. 6th between the Arcade and the office buildings lining E. 6th. This is one of those sites I have been too damn lazy to get pictures and explore closer up. I will definately do that on the next mild day I am downtown! As for seeing more pictures from me - I will gladly post them, but I will start a new thread in the pictures/photography section of this message forum.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #107 on: May 01, 2005, 06:36:49 AM »
Found an interesting blurb that was dated September 8, 2004 that places the height of the building at 10 floors.  It can be found on page 6 of the PDF, on the left hand side under zoning appeals that have been approved.  Here is the link:

http://www.dln.com/cr/index2004/september082004.pdf

This project has always intrigued me, as it seems as if it holds more potential than many other projects that are in the works for downtown as of right now.  It'll bring well-concealed (hopefully) parking, as well as brand new retail; aside from the fact that it could eventually hold a sizeable residential tower.  Seeing the construction progressing really makes me think of all of the retailers that don't have a Cleveland presence that could go in there.  Personally, I think if cities such as Cincinnati, Denver and Minneapolis could support a Tiffany & Co., we certainly could as well (it'd look pretty nice on the corner of E. 6th and Euclid I must say).  In addition to that, Cleveland still lacks stores like Cole Haan, Room and Board (Minneapolis-based furniture store that seems to do well in downtown areas), Puma and Benneton to name a few.  I suppose if I had to see them open anywhere, I'd like to see them Downtown over Beachwood.  Wishful thinking I suppose...
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #108 on: May 01, 2005, 11:55:21 AM »
For such stores to come to Cleveland, I think that there would have to be some sort of large scale development that will bring other similar stores in at the same time.  I don't see any major retailer taking a chance on Euclid until they have some sort of assurance that others will come as well.  That is why this Crocker Park developer guy is a good thing.  It will take a visionary like him and some sort of divine intervention to get Forest City on board in order to get a large scale project downtown.   

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #109 on: May 01, 2005, 02:21:00 PM »
I was thinking of something a la Fountain Place in Cincinnati (the complex with Macy's, Palomino, Tiffany and Brooks Brothers).  Maron seemed to indicate when they broke news about Lola and Gameworks coming downtown that there would be more announcements to follow in later months.  I realize he doesn't have a stake in the 515 project, but he certainly could affect the possibility of building a critical mass of retail along the lower Euclid corridor.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #110 on: May 01, 2005, 03:59:06 PM »
I was on East 4th today, and I noticed that they had put up signs saying what they think will be coming to al the different retail spots.  They didn't give names, but were somewhat specific about function- restaurant, cafe, specialty apparel.  I wonder if that means they are in discussion with particular businesses or if it is just hopeful speculation on their part.

Also, someone was mentioning Vincent Ave earlier on this thread.  That actually used to be Cleveland's entertainment district from about Prohibition till the 60's or 70's.  That is when everything was demolished for the office parking garages.  It was known as "Short Vincent". 

Seeing as how it is right at the center of downtown's employment, it would make sense that it could be a good location for streetfront retail to serve downtown's daytime population if they were to rebuild some of those parking garages.  I don't see it happening anytime soon, however.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #111 on: May 01, 2005, 08:17:48 PM »
yeah, those signs have been up for a while now.  I'm assuming that they're just ideas...an attempt to envision and entice people to the block, whether or not there are any actual investors behind those signs.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #112 on: June 15, 2005, 12:43:33 PM »
Update from June 15th - cladding is going up. Looks like a mix of clear and reflective glass and light gray granite:






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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #113 on: June 15, 2005, 01:02:02 PM »
Amazing what their doing with garages these days. 

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #114 on: June 15, 2005, 01:52:05 PM »
Damn Mayday!  You beat me to it!  Mine aren't NEARLY as nice as yours, but I'll post 'em anyways...from June 13th:








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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #115 on: June 15, 2005, 01:52:45 PM »
when can we start parking and shopping???

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #116 on: June 15, 2005, 02:39:59 PM »
WEll damn you!  These are from the 14th and on a drive by:







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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #117 on: June 15, 2005, 02:49:24 PM »
I was snapping pics of the new garage on the 13th as well! Wow, there is some sort of magnetism towards 515 Euclid!!

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #118 on: June 16, 2005, 08:26:05 AM »
i think itll look great for the base of a 25+ story tower......

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #119 on: June 16, 2005, 08:38:34 AM »
man, i haven't paid attention downtown in a while

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #120 on: June 17, 2005, 05:03:32 PM »
i like the looks of those windows and reflective glass...I hope they manage to keep 'em clean!  that's one smoggy street right now!  it'll be better in a few years, though, when all the new greenery is in and the bus transit is more eco-friendly...

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« Reply #121 on: June 29, 2005, 05:38:28 PM »
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #123 on: July 11, 2005, 12:33:06 AM »
Thanks for the update

Those windows are going to look great when this is finished. 

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #124 on: July 11, 2005, 11:03:16 AM »
yeah the windows will look great.  but what will be looking at thru these "great" windows  :?

Does anyone have an update/information as to what retailers will be located on the ground floor?
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #125 on: July 11, 2005, 11:13:21 AM »
wow it looks like a great building.... to put a 25 story condo tower on....

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #126 on: July 11, 2005, 12:22:04 PM »
It looks like it will really lively up Euclid Ave
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #127 on: July 11, 2005, 11:37:58 PM »
how did they pick the pattern for the glass/reflective glass....... looks random as hell, not to say that thats a bad thing
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #128 on: July 29, 2005, 11:09:04 AM »
The scaffolding on this was taken down, but there are no grates in the sidewalk for any trees.  The sidewalk seems too large here to not include some trees, especially with BP and NatCity at both ends having more mature trees planted.

Does anyone know if euclid corridor work will include new sidewalks in this area and maybe this is just a temporary concrete pad?
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #129 on: July 29, 2005, 11:14:20 AM »
Good question...That was my first reaction...that they're probably not going to invest in streetscape stuff just yet, since it'll probably be torn up soon anyways.  That, or maybe they'll bring in above-ground planters.  Those can be attractive too and can be effective buffers from high volume traffic in active pedestrian areas.  I'm anxious to see it!

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #130 on: August 10, 2005, 09:44:00 PM »
515 Euclid parking garage is now open! They are still working on the ground-level retail, but the garage is definately open.. I rode my bike past it on August 9th, and it is a very slick facility, reminds me of Central Parking NYC quality..

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PS - I believe the garage is owned/operated by Ampco parking. I would say that it's the nicest parking garage in Cleveland, next to the indoor/heated garage at Penton Media Building.
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #131 on: August 11, 2005, 10:25:44 AM »
Additionally, I have read from an independent source that 515 Euclid Avenue could reach 28+ stories once demand is met to build a condo tower above the garage. Up until I heard '28+ stories', I had read that it would be somewhere around 20 stories. I wonder if that 20-28 stories is in addition to the 9 story garage.. if so, that could become quite a tall skyscraper. The other interesting aspect that nobody has mentioned is that if they do move forward to create a condo tower one day at 515 Euclid, it would be quite unique in the downtown skyline.. why? Because almost every high rise apartment/condo in downtown follows a wide length, unlengthy height format (e.g. Reserve Square, Pinnacle, and Stone Bridge) whereas 515 Euclid is in a very tight corner spot, meaning that it will be a very skinny and tall building if completed, similar to those of Chicago and NYC where it is physically impossible to build something like a Pinnacle nowadays in those cities. While 515 Euclid's garage does stretch behind East 6th next to the Arcade, I would highly doubt that the tower would occupy that portion of the space since it would offer little to no views due to constraints on all sides. If Euclid Avenue's new RTA project works out well and if Euclid does get some more retail and development near E. 4th-E. 6th, I will continue to stay dedicated to making that area my future home.
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #132 on: August 11, 2005, 11:51:44 AM »
515 Euclid parking garage is now open! They are still working on the ground-level retail, but the garage is definately open.. I rode my bike past it on August 9th, and it is a very slick facility, reminds me of Central Parking NYC quality..

-John

PS - I believe the garage is owned/operated by Ampco parking. I would say that it's the nicest parking garage in Cleveland, next to the indoor/heated garage at Penton Media Building.

However I checked on the prices...

$275/month reserved
~ $225/month non-reserved.
Ouch!!

I called to check because it looks secure. Some bum busted in my window and stole change from my car in the garage on 630 prospect ave the other night.  :cry:

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #133 on: August 11, 2005, 12:27:19 PM »
Dan, not sure if it would help but I believe the garage at 630 Prospect has surveillance cameras. You may want to check - if they do, that could help find the perp.

Here's a pic of 515 Euclid from about 30 minutes ago (August 10th). I've been holding back on commentary until the finished product but here's my take.

  • It seriously looks like the developers cheaped out compared to the renderings.
  • The clear glass, reflective glass, granite facade, beige concrete, and red accents clash horribly.
  • There are small "nooks" along the base which serve no purpose but will collect windswept litter. A big concern is a nook along East 6th Street which, if anyone remembers the previous buildings, became a panhandler perch.
  • The granite facade is nearly identical to that of AT Tower and we've seen how well that aged.
  • Even though it's "only a parking garage", any structure at this prominent corner should be held to high design standards and it's rather obvious that this wasn't. Is it nice compared to other garages? Yes, but that's not saying much.




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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #134 on: August 11, 2005, 01:03:37 PM »
still an improvement over the Mr. Hero and Radio Shack that was there
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #135 on: August 11, 2005, 01:40:40 PM »
From the looks of Mayday's new picture (as completed), I personally think it looks AWESOME!!! I never thought I could admire a parking garage, but I definately like it a lot.. as a matter of fact, it puts all the other parking garages in the Financial District to utter shame - just walk down E. 6th and turn down Vincent to see an ugly and even an uglier garage behind Fifth 3rd and McDonald Investment buildings, respectively. Not only that, but the others are no more 2-3 levels, and they offer no retail on the ground levels, nothing except big ugly garages taking up valuable space. Like I said in the past, I hope the new garage at 515 Euclid takes all these garages business away, then they will tear down and re-build with retail implemented, as well as possible office/hotel space on top.. Sure that's a long shot, but it definately could happen within the next few years!
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #136 on: August 11, 2005, 06:20:02 PM »
I don't know what to make of it.  It's just kind of bizarre and random.  But it isn't really what one would think of a classic "deconstructionist".  I'd be interested to hear from the architect what the concept is supposed to be.

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« Reply #137 on: August 12, 2005, 12:03:36 PM »
I tend to side more w/ MayDay on this one -- I love the concept - parking garages w/ ground-level retail, even w/o the above residences, can work very well in tight/high-traffic areas like 515 Euclid; we need look no further than around the corner to the very-well done Fat Fish Blue development built from the old Goodyear Tire store.  But I'm greatly disappointed in what I'm seeing @ 515.  It looks cheesy.  Most garage-over-retail projects in other cities (Philly's highly successful, recent block-long garage over Maggiano’s restaurant & other shops/stores @ 11th/12th & Filbert comes immediately to mind), go out of their way to mask that the garage is, in fact, a garage -- w/ contemporary post-modern architecture preferences they're usually blended in so well they look like just another office building.

... but not this thing.  You can see right through those cheap-looking Plexiglas (?) shields right to the usu, ugly stacked-block parking ramp structure.  And the use of the Plexiglas at street level looks really cheap and will look all the worse compared to its neighbors, most notably, the classy/handsome adaptive-reuse at the Arcade/Hyatt with its handsome Vivo restaurant & al fresco seating.  I just don’t see how individualized uses can be made w/ this construction (like awnings, multi-colored glass, neon, etc.)

Like I said, in concept, 515 is great tonic for this particular area, esp if the condo tower is built, so I really want to like it for this reason, alone... but so far, I'm not diggin' what I'm seeing.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #138 on: August 12, 2005, 12:14:26 PM »
I wonder if that 20-28 stories is in addition to the 9 story garage.. if so, that could become quite a tall skyscraper. The other interesting aspect that nobody has mentioned is that if they do move forward to create a condo tower one day at 515 Euclid, it would be quite unique in the downtown skyline.. why? Because almost every high rise apartment/condo in downtown follows a wide length, unlengthy height format (e.g. Reserve Square, Pinnacle, and Stone Bridge) whereas 515 Euclid is in a very tight corner spot, meaning that it will be a very skinny and tall building if completed, similar to those of Chicago and NYC where it is physically impossible to build something like a Pinnacle nowadays in those cities.

You're dead on... I'd really like to see one of those sexy/slender highrises in Cleveland... And while we're at it, for once, I wish this one, of our few highrises, would incorporate balconies.  Not only do balconies add to the visual playfulness (if you will) of a tall building, it makes the suites much more fun/livable.  I'll never live in a high-rise again (and I've lived in a few in other towns) without a balcony.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #139 on: August 13, 2005, 02:56:01 PM »
After reading some of the critiques from earlier this week, I strolled by the site and will admit that I am very pleased with the structure!  I think the opportunity to fill in these retail spaces with some high-end shops...likely national chains...is very exciting and will do wonders for the street life and function of the immediate blocks.  The glass and garage structure is nothing notable, but it's also not unattractive (in my opinion)...and of course, the prospect of building on top (up to 28 stories!) is incredible! 

On the whole, I think the scale and facade are appropriate and will only stand to improve as the retailers fill the huge display windows with shoes, clothing, books, furniture, etc...

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