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Honestly, might as well have some actual facts as opposed to "feelings" and perceptions. Here's the latest Downtown Cincinnati polling, which covers perceptions in the region of downtown and OTR: http://www.downtowncincinnati.com/Libraries/DCI_Publications/2012_Perceptions_Survey.sflb.ashxI didn't see Cincinnati on any "10 most dangerous cities" lists or anything like that when the latest FBI statistics came out, either. http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/02/16/the-11-most-dangerous-citiesI can't find any really recent articles--I suspect there will be more coming for year-end--but as of August 30, the overall crime rate in the city was down 7%, and the murder rate had dropped 27% year over year: http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/local_news/dramatic-drop-in-cincinnati-murder-rateAs I said before, any crime is too much crime. But I don't think either public opinion or the statistics themselves are backing up your position. If you want to say that YOU feel unsafe in Cincinnati, that's fine--but that's your opinion, and you should expect that those who disagree with it will respond.
I'm glad you were here last summer and so know the streets better than I. I live in Over the Rhine and walk the streets to and from work every day and Findlay Market every week, but I don't doubt your visit last summer lets you have your finger on the pulse. I have no idea what being born and rasied here has to do with anything; I've been here 20 years now, more than half of my life. Yes, the 2000s were worse. At some point you have to let go of what you thought a decade ago and actually look at what is going on around you. By your logic, no one should ever go to New York, because in the 1970s it was extremely violent and there was rampant street crime (prostitution, etc.) everywhere. I think your last paragraph speaks volumes. I get that you live in Europe (since you've only mentioned it on this board about 100 times). I do realize that American cities are more violent than European cities (I don't agree with your "internationally" statement; there are many, many cities in Latin/South America and Africa that are far more violent than US cities). But perhaps you should compare Cincinnati with other American cities when evaluating it. And maybe look at Cincinnati as it is today, not as it was in 2001. And I think you'd get a lot farther in these discussions if you didn't patronize every single person who responds to you.
Growing up in Cincinnati in a low income household, being in all kinds of neighborhoods and seeing all kinds of things, you know the city more intimately than someone from out-of town. If you're a Cincinnati kid from a low-income household, your understanding of the city is going to be different than that of someone who is choosing to put themselves in a position of weakness because they have the finance to survive it, i.e. moving to a bad neighborhood without income being the deciding factor.
Quote from: City Blights on December 15, 2012, 11:49:28 AMGrowing up in Cincinnati in a low income household, being in all kinds of neighborhoods and seeing all kinds of things, you know the city more intimately than someone from out-of town. If you're a Cincinnati kid from a low-income household, your understanding of the city is going to be different than that of someone who is choosing to put themselves in a position of weakness because they have the finance to survive it, i.e. moving to a bad neighborhood without income being the deciding factor.No- you know your part of the City more intimately. There's no one lifestyle or experience that gives you the best, most authentic knowledge on ALL lifestyles and experiences. Growing up poor is difficult and tragic, but growing up poor in Cincinnati is hardly any different than growing up poor in Cleveland, St. Louis, Kansas City, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, etc. In fact, it might be better than in some of those communities and surely, it might be worse than in a couple others. There's being poor in Bond Hill, but then there's being poor in Covington and being poor in South Fairmount or Fay Apartments. All of THOSE are different even within the same area. Everything is different everywhere always, and yet in many places it's also pretty similar (genius, i know). You had crappy experiences in Cincinnati and so your view of Cincinnati is that it leans towards those crappy experiences. That is how the human mind works, feelings are tied to a location and the experiences that happened in that location. Cincinnati is not even in the top 25 cities in america for crime. Crime is dropping dramatically, with a 16% drop in violent crime in the last two years and a 10% drop in property crime in the last two years. To say we're anything like a third world country is over the top. Are there pockets of people who live a criminal lifestyle? absolutely. But you also complain we have too many police or something to that effect. I do agree that the spike in crime between 2003 and 2007 did impact some peoples perceptions of the streetcar. But many of people are against it for its dollar amount, because it's rail, because it's downtown and downtown gets all the attention, because its not in my backyard (reverse NIMBYism), etc.
Clifton has exceptionally low crime... if you were referring to Clifton Heights or CUF, you've certainly done yourself a disservice in this argument. While you may be "born and raised" Cincinnati, I think that also gives you the unique perspective of having been taught throughout much of your youth that Cincinnati is a can't-do place, is failing, and is better left for dead. Out of curiosity, in what part of Cincinnati were you born and raised?
Where did you see me display a defeated attitude about Cincinnati, or anything for that matter?Raised in Avondale and Bond Hill. I'm an Uptown kid.
So homicides are up 63% this year so far, but only up a little but compared to 2011. Should also be noted virtually every victim (except 2 that I was able to figure out and leaving out a few juveniles) had a moderate to lengthy rap sheet. Additionally, this year is turning out to be extremely tilted African American. Even more than usual. While there were about 4 of the roughy 40 homicides I couldn't determine race on, the rest have been all African American except 1 (Owner of Hartwell Pizza place).
Quote from: OCtoCincy on July 13, 2013, 11:23:26 AMSo homicides are up 63% this year so far, but only up a little but compared to 2011. Should also be noted virtually every victim (except 2 that I was able to figure out and leaving out a few juveniles) had a moderate to lengthy rap sheet. Additionally, this year is turning out to be extremely tilted African American. Even more than usual. While there were about 4 of the roughy 40 homicides I couldn't determine race on, the rest have been all African American except 1 (Owner of Hartwell Pizza place).40 homicides in a city with 290,000?! That's horrible numbers.
Is it 40 homicides for Hamilton county, Warren, Butler, etc? Or are the 40 just in Cincinnati? If it is just cincinnati, those numbers don't speak well for the city. Several shootings in OTR and one in Washington Park recently... I could say the same for Detroit, a metro area of some 5 million, but the city itself is out of control when I comes to homicides.
^ I don't understand the numbers. Cincinnati never had over 90 murders.
How so? haven't you heard of diminishing returns?
You're underestimating the homicides in Fairfield (had 6 past year alone) Colerain, etc. if bet its closer to 10-12 more outside of city year-to-date and 50 for the whole metro. Also, since the vast majority of homicides in the city are just a couple neighborhoods and are virtually entirely among people with records and with victims who know their killer, it's hardly a statistic to determine how safe you are of how dangerous a city is.Also, Cleveland is around 50 or the year (though obviously larger). There have been almost 230% more rapes in Cleveland than in Cincy year-to-date for 2013 yet the population is only 33% more. What that means is taking one specific crime's one year number and implying a level of crime isn't a good metric. (Not starting a city vs city battle).
These are fascinating statistics, City Blights. They really help to show how difficult it must be to lift oneself out of such sh!tty life circumstances. Who wouldn't be overloaded with stress at a way-too-early age when people are dying all around you, and you might be next? How hard it must be to see past that blunt reality, to find school success more worthy of aspiration than mere street survival skills. To even imagine what the alternative would be like, or that there is an alternative at all.Still, I think OCtoCincy has a good point that if you don't fall into the poor black male with a rap sheet (inflated as it may be) demographic, then you have little to fear in the way of being murdered in Cincinnati. That doesn't mean anyone deserves to be murdered. It just means the fears, of those from more privileged demographics, of living in or venturing into the city are bogus.