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Offline YABO713

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Rendering Wanted
« on: April 21, 2017, 12:01:46 PM »
Hello all,

Just curious. Would anyone be capable of making a rendering of what the downtown skyline would look like with Beacon, nuCLEus, the Weston Project, and perhaps a 30-40 story new building to represent the potential of an SW/MedMu move. I've seen one rendering, but it includes an additional 3-4 50+ story buildings, which I believe is simply unrealistic.

I would ultimately like to have the image posted to cle_news on instagram. Thank you!
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Re: Rendering Wanted
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2017, 12:05:08 PM »
I did this one a while ago, has a few more than what you want probably.
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2017, 12:13:40 PM »
I did this one a while ago, has a few more than what you want probably.

A bit too much, but that's still really cool! Well done.
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Re: Rendering Wanted
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2017, 04:30:44 PM »
I did this one a while back that included most of the proposed projects at the time.  Unfortunately that sketchup save is on a mothballed computer, so it may take a while to render different views.


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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2017, 11:48:55 PM »
nice work.

boy, that full view really makes nucleus look the perfect form and fit for it's site --
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Re: Rendering Wanted
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2017, 01:56:03 AM »
The Nucleus building looks stupid. From that angle, it looks like the smaller building is submitting to the larger one...if you catch what I'm throwing down.

In all seriousness... I'm a fan of the overall project but definitely not a fan of the architecture. A project like Nucleus should look far more iconic in the skyline.
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2017, 08:44:21 AM »
Yeah, I liked it on first glance but it doesn't exactly grow on you.  I was happy they didn't just draw a rectangle and go "ta da!"  But I'd prefer something aesthetically pleasing if that's OK.
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2017, 11:07:59 AM »
Well done!
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Re: Rendering Wanted
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2017, 12:19:42 PM »
The Nucleus building looks stupid. From that angle, it looks like the smaller building is submitting to the larger one...if you catch what I'm throwing down.

In all seriousness... I'm a fan of the overall project but definitely not a fan of the architecture. A project like Nucleus should look far more iconic in the skyline.

It will be iconic in that it's not like anything else here.   And I agree to a point--would rather see two shorter towers with a bridge between than one on his/her knees next to the other.
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Re: Rendering Wanted
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2017, 01:30:53 PM »
This is totally off topic, but looking at that picture above, I think the biggest wasted opportunity in downtown Cleveland is the giant waste of space along Huron on the other side of Tower City. That cliff and huge stretch of emptiness kills that side of downtown, and the drop off couldn't be more stark. You go from the heart of the city to a pit in like 1-2 blocks.

I know the casino phase 2 was proposed there, but it's looking like that's not going to happen at this point. I think a great idea for this site would be to construct a giant parking garage in the area that is currently a parking lot, bring that whole side of Huron up to grade, and build new city blocks on top. You'd have river/bridge views on one side, downtown on the other. You'd be walking distance to the Flats, Public Square, E 4th, hell even Ohio City. I don't think there'd be a lack of demand for residential or office in that location.

No idea about the number of spaces the municipal garage along the lakefront holds, but if you could build this garage large enough, you could theoretically get rid of the lakefront garage, and open up that extremely valuable land for redevelopment as well.
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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2017, 01:40:33 PM »
Yeah, I liked it on first glance but it doesn't exactly grow on you.  I was happy they didn't just draw a rectangle and go "ta da!"  But I'd prefer something aesthetically pleasing if that's OK.

Just to be clear I mean the architecture itself, not the rendering! 

This is totally off topic, but looking at that picture above, I think the biggest wasted opportunity in downtown Cleveland is the giant waste of space along Huron on the other side of Tower City. That cliff and huge stretch of emptiness kills that side of downtown, and the drop off couldn't be more stark. You go from the heart of the city to a pit in like 1-2 blocks.

That dropoff would be a lot less stark if there were development on the peninsulas. 

Never been there but on maps KC seems to have a similar dropoff, it just kind of doesn't go north.
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2017, 03:21:44 PM »
This is totally off topic, but looking at that picture above, I think the biggest wasted opportunity in downtown Cleveland is the giant waste of space along Huron on the other side of Tower City. That cliff and huge stretch of emptiness kills that side of downtown, and the drop off couldn't be more stark. You go from the heart of the city to a pit in like 1-2 blocks.

I know the casino phase 2 was proposed there, but it's looking like that's not going to happen at this point. I think a great idea for this site would be to construct a giant parking garage in the area that is currently a parking lot, bring that whole side of Huron up to grade, and build new city blocks on top. You'd have river/bridge views on one side, downtown on the other. You'd be walking distance to the Flats, Public Square, E 4th, hell even Ohio City. I don't think there'd be a lack of demand for residential or office in that location.

No idea about the number of spaces the municipal garage along the lakefront holds, but if you could build this garage large enough, you could theoretically get rid of the lakefront garage, and open up that extremely valuable land for redevelopment as well.

When the Terminal Tower complex (including Huron, Prospect, West 2nd, 3rd and 6th on bridges) was designed and built in the 1920s, the area between Huron and Canal was the original coach yards for Cleveland Union Terminal. The coach yards was a 9-track rail yard where passenger trains were stored, cars added or subtracted to trains, serviced, repaired and cleaned. In the Van Swerigen brothers' long-term plans for this area, the coach yard was to be moved elsewhere and the yard used as expansion of Union Station, with six station tracks and three more platforms (adding to the 12 railroad tracks and six platforms already built). On top of this expanded station was to be more office buildings, and possibly a hotel or another department store. Obviously this never happened, but the steel girders sticking out from below the river-side of Huron Road attest to the Vans' expansion plans. These girders were for this expanded development to attach to as an extension of the Cleveland Union Terminal complex. I have seen renderings of these plans but cannot locate them in my books right now.

In the 1980s, after Forest City Enterprises bought the terminal complex from the Cleveland Union Terminals Co., they had grand plans for the site called Tower City Center. Unfortunately, as with the Vans, only part of their plans were realized. But I was able to find a rendering and a photo of a model showing Forest City's vision...

Tower City Riverview Masterplan 1990-1 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr

Wish I could have found a larger version of this photo, but here ya go....

DowntownDioramaL by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr
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Re: Rendering Wanted
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2017, 03:28:16 PM »
^ I wonder if Dan Gilbert has ever seen these renderings.

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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2017, 04:03:25 PM »
I remember when that used to be displayed at Tower City when it first opened!!

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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2017, 04:06:39 PM »
I remember when that used to be displayed at Tower City when it first opened!!

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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2017, 05:06:45 PM »
This is totally off topic, but looking at that picture above, I think the biggest wasted opportunity in downtown Cleveland is the giant waste of space along Huron on the other side of Tower City. That cliff and huge stretch of emptiness kills that side of downtown, and the drop off couldn't be more stark. You go from the heart of the city to a pit in like 1-2 blocks.

I know the casino phase 2 was proposed there, but it's looking like that's not going to happen at this point. I think a great idea for this site would be to construct a giant parking garage in the area that is currently a parking lot, bring that whole side of Huron up to grade, and build new city blocks on top. You'd have river/bridge views on one side, downtown on the other. You'd be walking distance to the Flats, Public Square, E 4th, hell even Ohio City. I don't think there'd be a lack of demand for residential or office in that location.

No idea about the number of spaces the municipal garage along the lakefront holds, but if you could build this garage large enough, you could theoretically get rid of the lakefront garage, and open up that extremely valuable land for redevelopment as well.

I agree--I thought Phase II of the Casino should be something big and mixed use. 

One thing the city absolutely needs to do is put in and establish a truck route out of the flats.  The 10 axle dump trucks going fully loaded across Huron every day play havoc on that road (check out the lunar surface near Huron/Superior).   It would be great to have a brand new road through the river valley to 490 to keep the trucks off Huron and W25th St.
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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2017, 05:43:49 AM »
Can we stand one more pic of the Tower City master plan from the late 80's?

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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2017, 01:31:01 PM »
God I'm old.....I remember seeing that one also.  Still wish they would of put Rock Hall down there.....

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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2017, 06:34:18 PM »
check out the detroit developments thread. thats where gilbert's phase II casino pocket change went.
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« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2017, 06:51:40 PM »
God I'm old.....I remember seeing that one also.  Still wish they would of put Rock Hall down there.....

The dynamic of downtown would be so much different (not necessarily better or worse, but different) if the Rock Hall and Browns stadium had ended up by the river instead of the lake.

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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2017, 01:59:01 PM »
Wanted to try and put something together with nuCLEus, Beacon, Weston and SW on PS because why not...
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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2017, 11:47:52 AM »
Wanted to try and put something together with nuCLEus, Beacon, Weston and SW on PS because why not...

Awesome! Thank you
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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2017, 05:56:58 PM »
Hey There,
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I didn't get any bites on the random developments thread, so perhaps this is the better place to post this...

Is anyone here at U.O. skilled at updating the skyscrapers.com site (link below) so it includes recently completed structures in Cleveland like the Hilton; proposed structures like 515 & Nucleus; under construction towers like One University Circle, and other serious proposals?
I'd love to see Cleveland represented well on this site, but I fear my own digital renderings would appear as submitted by a 4th grader, (no offense to any 4th grader who already has exceptional digital rendering skills.)

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?cityID=147


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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2017, 06:11:26 PM »
Anyone know ... On that rendering, what is the new building furthest toward the north east

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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2017, 12:44:23 AM »
When I page through the Cleveland buildings on there, it's interesting to note the large quantity of buildings put up between 1965 and 1975, while the city began it's decline. 
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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2017, 09:36:57 AM »
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