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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #10185 on: August 11, 2017, 12:22:59 PM »
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« Reply #10186 on: August 11, 2017, 12:29:18 PM »
Trump bans trans people from the military to save government ~ $8 million

Banning trans people will cost government $960 million.

Cool.



If you saw it on the internet, it MUST be true.

Does that number make any possible sense to you at all?

Better question - how many people are we even talking about that are affected by this ban potentially?  Is there even 2% of all military members that identify as "Trans Gender"?

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« Reply #10187 on: August 11, 2017, 12:47:12 PM »
The Palm Center released a report Wednesday that estimates it would cost $960 million, or $75,000 per person, to recruit and train replacements for the estimated 12,800 transgender troops serving in the armed forces.

The report points to research from the The Rand Corporation, a global policy think tank, which estimates the government would only save $8.4 million per year in the cost of medical care for transgender troops if the ban were put in place.

http://thehill.com/regulation/administration/345878-lgbtq-rights-groups-sue-trump-over-transgender-military-ban

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« Reply #10188 on: August 11, 2017, 01:22:45 PM »
Ted Cruz has always been a phony opportunist.  Even his fake folksy texas accent is ridiculous.

Not if you read his appellate arguments as an attorney. While he is clearly a d**chebag, he was always a staunch Constitutionalist in his practice.

He is a "staunch constitutionalist" in the same way Scalia was and Thomas and Alito are...... when it leads to an end result that serves conservative principles.  When it doesn't (e.g. Heller), then they are anything but strict constructionists.

Heller ruled that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. How is it not a strict constructionist decision?

How many times do we have to go through this?  We disagree.  Fine.  To you, the first seven words of the Second Amendment are superfluous and have no meaning.  Okay.... but I give meaning to that text.  I think the Framers chose those words carefully.  They could've just left them out if all they wanted was to ensure that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."  You can go through the same mind-twisting exercise the Heller majority did to reach the result it wanted, but it won't change my mind and it won't change the way the Amendment is WRITTEN.
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« Reply #10189 on: August 11, 2017, 01:28:32 PM »
The Palm Center released a report Wednesday that estimates it would cost $960 million, or $75,000 per person, to recruit and train replacements for the estimated 12,800 transgender troops serving in the armed forces.

The report points to research from the The Rand Corporation, a global policy think tank, which estimates the government would only save $8.4 million per year in the cost of medical care for transgender troops if the ban were put in place.

http://thehill.com/regulation/administration/345878-lgbtq-rights-groups-sue-trump-over-transgender-military-ban
The study put the number of transgender people in the military between 1,320 and 6,630. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/politics/trump-military-transgender/index.html

Transgender troops have been allowed to openly serve since 2016. How many transitioned prior to joining? Did that mean they fooled the recruiters?

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #10190 on: August 11, 2017, 01:36:21 PM »
The Palm Center released a report Wednesday that estimates it would cost $960 million, or $75,000 per person, to recruit and train replacements for the estimated 12,800 transgender troops serving in the armed forces.

The report points to research from the The Rand Corporation, a global policy think tank, which estimates the government would only save $8.4 million per year in the cost of medical care for transgender troops if the ban were put in place.

http://thehill.com/regulation/administration/345878-lgbtq-rights-groups-sue-trump-over-transgender-military-ban
The study put the number of transgender people in the military between 1,320 and 6,630. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/politics/trump-military-transgender/index.html

Transgender troops have been allowed to openly serve since 2016. How many transitioned prior to joining? Did that mean they fooled the recruiters?

So even using the 12,000 number of transgender enlisted, it's less than 1% of total active enlisted & officer military service people (~ 1.4 million from various sources)

So the math says almost a billion dollars to replace less than 1% of our troops?  Not buying it
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #10191 on: August 11, 2017, 01:42:23 PM »
The Palm Center released a report Wednesday that estimates it would cost $960 million, or $75,000 per person, to recruit and train replacements for the estimated 12,800 transgender troops serving in the armed forces.

The report points to research from the The Rand Corporation, a global policy think tank, which estimates the government would only save $8.4 million per year in the cost of medical care for transgender troops if the ban were put in place.

http://thehill.com/regulation/administration/345878-lgbtq-rights-groups-sue-trump-over-transgender-military-ban
The study put the number of transgender people in the military between 1,320 and 6,630. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/politics/trump-military-transgender/index.html

Transgender troops have been allowed to openly serve since 2016. How many transitioned prior to joining? Did that mean they fooled the recruiters?

TGs have always been allowed to serve.  They were just allowed to serve openly since 2016. 

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« Reply #10192 on: August 11, 2017, 01:43:49 PM »
The Palm Center released a report Wednesday that estimates it would cost $960 million, or $75,000 per person, to recruit and train replacements for the estimated 12,800 transgender troops serving in the armed forces.

The report points to research from the The Rand Corporation, a global policy think tank, which estimates the government would only save $8.4 million per year in the cost of medical care for transgender troops if the ban were put in place.

http://thehill.com/regulation/administration/345878-lgbtq-rights-groups-sue-trump-over-transgender-military-ban
The study put the number of transgender people in the military between 1,320 and 6,630. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/politics/trump-military-transgender/index.html

Transgender troops have been allowed to openly serve since 2016. How many transitioned prior to joining? Did that mean they fooled the recruiters?

So even using the 12,000 number of transgender enlisted, it's less than 1% of total active enlisted & officer military service people (~ 1.4 million from various sources)

So the math says almost a billion dollars to replace less than 1% of our troops?  Not buying it

Do you think it would cost more or less than $75,000 to recruit and train replacements?

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« Reply #10193 on: August 11, 2017, 01:44:03 PM »
The Palm Center released a report Wednesday that estimates it would cost $960 million, or $75,000 per person, to recruit and train replacements for the estimated 12,800 transgender troops serving in the armed forces.

The report points to research from the The Rand Corporation, a global policy think tank, which estimates the government would only save $8.4 million per year in the cost of medical care for transgender troops if the ban were put in place.

http://thehill.com/regulation/administration/345878-lgbtq-rights-groups-sue-trump-over-transgender-military-ban
The study put the number of transgender people in the military between 1,320 and 6,630. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/politics/trump-military-transgender/index.html

Transgender troops have been allowed to openly serve since 2016. How many transitioned prior to joining? Did that mean they fooled the recruiters?

So even using the 12,000 number of transgender enlisted, it's less than 1% of total active enlisted & officer military service people (~ 1.4 million from various sources)

So the math says almost a billion dollars to replace less than 1% of our troops?  Not buying it

The greatest cost for most military units is payroll and entitlements, so yes, $75,000 per person is not an unreasonable estimate.  Fresh recruits could qualify for incentives, which would raise the average cost; basic training and tech schools are needed to train the soldiers prior to them being able to assume the duties their trans-gender counterparts is also a significant cost.  Depending on their assigned duty, some could need more than a year of training before being able to assume their actual duty.  There are many costs that need to be taken into account.

Simply put, banning these currently serving troops wouldn't serve a useful purpose.  Either way, until an implementation plan is put in place, there is unlikely to be any change made.

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« Reply #10194 on: August 11, 2017, 01:45:21 PM »
The Palm Center released a report Wednesday that estimates it would cost $960 million, or $75,000 per person, to recruit and train replacements for the estimated 12,800 transgender troops serving in the armed forces.

The report points to research from the The Rand Corporation, a global policy think tank, which estimates the government would only save $8.4 million per year in the cost of medical care for transgender troops if the ban were put in place.

http://thehill.com/regulation/administration/345878-lgbtq-rights-groups-sue-trump-over-transgender-military-ban
The study put the number of transgender people in the military between 1,320 and 6,630. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/politics/trump-military-transgender/index.html

Transgender troops have been allowed to openly serve since 2016. How many transitioned prior to joining? Did that mean they fooled the recruiters?

So even using the 12,000 number of transgender enlisted, it's less than 1% of total active enlisted & officer military service people (~ 1.4 million from various sources)

So the math says almost a billion dollars to replace less than 1% of our troops?  Not buying it

So how much does is cost? 

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #10195 on: August 11, 2017, 05:29:52 PM »
Love it!
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #10196 on: August 11, 2017, 06:57:06 PM »
The Palm Center released a report Wednesday that estimates it would cost $960 million, or $75,000 per person, to recruit and train replacements for the estimated 12,800 transgender troops serving in the armed forces.

The report points to research from the The Rand Corporation, a global policy think tank, which estimates the government would only save $8.4 million per year in the cost of medical care for transgender troops if the ban were put in place.

http://thehill.com/regulation/administration/345878-lgbtq-rights-groups-sue-trump-over-transgender-military-ban
The study put the number of transgender people in the military between 1,320 and 6,630. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/politics/trump-military-transgender/index.html

Transgender troops have been allowed to openly serve since 2016. How many transitioned prior to joining? Did that mean they fooled the recruiters?

TGs have always been allowed to serve.  They were just allowed to serve openly since 2016.
So if your birth certificate did not match your gender that was OK?

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #10197 on: August 11, 2017, 06:58:31 PM »
This nut case is going after South America  now. He needs the death penalty for treason.

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« Reply #10198 on: August 11, 2017, 07:08:07 PM »
This nut case is going after South America  now. He needs the death penalty for treason.
Who, link?

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« Reply #10199 on: August 11, 2017, 08:35:18 PM »
Ted Cruz has always been a phony opportunist.  Even his fake folksy texas accent is ridiculous.

Not if you read his appellate arguments as an attorney. While he is clearly a d**chebag, he was always a staunch Constitutionalist in his practice.

He is a "staunch constitutionalist" in the same way Scalia was and Thomas and Alito are...... when it leads to an end result that serves conservative principles.  When it doesn't (e.g. Heller), then they are anything but strict constructionists.

Heller ruled that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. How is it not a strict constructionist decision?

How many times do we have to go through this?

That's kind of up to you.  You brought it up, not me.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #10200 on: August 11, 2017, 08:44:44 PM »
How could a constructionist interpretation ignore part of the amendment with jiggery pokery.  That sounds very non constructionist to me.

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« Reply #10201 on: August 11, 2017, 09:42:59 PM »
This arrogant, obnoxious and racist Breitbart right-wing radical freak and phony policy guy is a perfect fit for this White House.  All sizzle; no steak....

Sebastian Gorka, the West Wing's Phony Foreign-Policy Guru
Gorka's a former Breitbart editor with Islamophobic views and ties to neo-Nazi extremists – and he has the ear of the president
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/sebastian-gorka-the-west-wings-phony-foreign-policy-guru-w496912
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« Reply #10202 on: August 11, 2017, 09:47:31 PM »
This nut case is going after South America  now. He needs the death penalty for treason.
Who, link?
Trump threatens Venezuela with unspecified 'military option'
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-venezuela-military-idUSKBN1AR2GR

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« Reply #10203 on: August 12, 2017, 01:15:35 AM »
Everyone is so concerned about all this B.S. with petty politics concerning Democrats vs. Republicans; no one cares about the fact that we're about to go to war with N. Korea, a country that it's now been proven, has 60 nukes, most of which pointed at the U.S. Welcome to WW3. Dumb@sses.
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« Reply #10204 on: August 12, 2017, 02:34:26 AM »
Who's not concerned about it?  It's all over the news.  We've been discussing it on here.  WTF are you even talking about?

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« Reply #10205 on: August 12, 2017, 08:21:23 AM »
Gesture: Trump declines $400K salary.
Under the table: He makes $4M above budget in 4 months, by raising hotel rates because he's president. https://t.co/Ad5ht9IHSD
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« Reply #10206 on: August 12, 2017, 09:04:18 AM »
This nut case is going after South America  now. He needs the death penalty for treason.
Who, link?
Trump threatens Venezuela with unspecified 'military option'
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-venezuela-military-idUSKBN1AR2GR
You are loco, death penalty. In the modern era only 2 POTUS have not been deep state CIA stooges,
JFK and Trump. USA has staged coups and assassinations in virtually every C.S. American country, and with great success.
Cuba of course being one the missed. Batting average is like .925.

Former Mueller stooge lets one slip....suggesting CIA kill Trump. Pence, Obama, Bush, Hillary = all the same except Hillary is ultra dumb with her idiot private server BS.
"Let me give you one bottom line as a former government official. Government is going to kill this guy," Mudd, a staunch critic of Trump, said on "The Lead."
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/346171-former-mueller-deputy-on-trump-government-is-going-to-kill-this-guy

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #10207 on: August 12, 2017, 12:24:15 PM »
Mueller Is Said to Be in Talks With White House About Interviewing Officials


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/us/politics/mueller-trump-russia-priebus.html?referer=https://t.co/93BOpfSluw?amp=1

This is based on 3 sources which means it's true according to Ram.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #10208 on: August 13, 2017, 03:46:24 PM »
Admins may want to consider merging the Trump and Racism threads.

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« Reply #10209 on: August 13, 2017, 05:26:17 PM »
“One of the difficult but primary duties of the modern presidency is to speak for the nation in times of tragedy. A space shuttle explodes. An elementary school is attacked. The twin towers come down in a heap of ash and twisted steel. It falls to the president to express something of the nation’s soul — grief for the lost, sympathy for the suffering, moral clarity in the midst of confusion, confidence in the unknowable purposes of God.

Not every president does this equally well. But none have been incapable. Until Donald Trump.

Trump’s reaction to events in Charlottesville was alternately trite (‘come together as one’), infantile (‘very, very sad’) and meaningless (‘we want to study it’).

If great words can heal and inspire, base words can corrupt. Trump has been delivering the poison of prejudice in small but increasing doses. In Charlottesville, the effect became fully evident. And the president had no intention of decisively repudiating his work.

What do we do with a president who is incapable or unwilling to perform his basic duties? What do we do when he is incapable of outrage at outrageous things? What do we do with a president who provides barely veiled cover for the darkest instincts of the human heart? These questions lead to the dead end of political realism — a hopeless recognition of limited options. But the questions intensify."

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« Reply #10210 on: August 13, 2017, 05:29:39 PM »
This nut case is going after South America  now. He needs the death penalty for treason.
Who, link?
Trump threatens Venezuela with unspecified 'military option'
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-venezuela-military-idUSKBN1AR2GR
You are loco, death penalty. In the modern era only 2 POTUS have not been deep state CIA stooges,
JFK and Trump. USA has staged coups and assassinations in virtually every C.S. American country, and with great success.
Cuba of course being one the missed. Batting average is like .925.

Former Mueller stooge lets one slip....suggesting CIA kill Trump. Pence, Obama, Bush, Hillary = all the same except Hillary is ultra dumb with her idiot private server BS.
"Let me give you one bottom line as a former government official. Government is going to kill this guy," Mudd, a staunch critic of Trump, said on "The Lead."
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/346171-former-mueller-deputy-on-trump-government-is-going-to-kill-this-guy

Loco? Buy a mirror, mi hermano. Be sure to take off your tinfoil hat first. Sorry you took the "government will kill Trump" statement literally, although I can understand why you misunderstood it since it fits the narrative that the fascists have been trumpeting.
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« Reply #10211 on: August 13, 2017, 10:50:51 PM »
When it's time to start a thread for #46 Mike Pence, we should start with this hacked version of his website:

http://www.officialmikepence.com/

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« Reply #10212 on: August 13, 2017, 11:07:44 PM »
^ That's not a hacked site, it's a prank and it was made months ago. I think by "Funny or Die." I'm not surprised, at all, that so many on the left (including those in the media, who used to know better, many moons ago) have been fooled by it.

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« Reply #10213 on: August 13, 2017, 11:52:11 PM »
"Impeach the white supremacist in the White House or STFU" --John Legend
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« Reply #10214 on: August 14, 2017, 01:35:37 AM »
^ That's not a hacked site, it's a prank and it was made months ago. I think by "Funny or Die." I'm not surprised, at all, that so many on the left (including those in the media, who used to know better, many moons ago) have been fooled by it.

It's still funny.   And it did get you to respond to a post without mentioning Hillary or Obama, so there's that....
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« Reply #10215 on: August 14, 2017, 09:30:56 AM »
Kal Penn tweeted at Twitter "asking for 7.4 billion friends" if it violates terms of service to threaten nuclear war on that social media platform.
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« Reply #10216 on: August 14, 2017, 10:30:55 AM »
I think you're all missing the main issue here. June 1991, George Soros saw Hillary Clinton at a Ponderosa Steakhouse  and paid for her entire meal. In exchange for that meal, Hillary allowed Soros to operate a globalist social club in the West Wing of the White House from 1992-2000. In that club were Soros, the Rothschilds, and all other perennial boogeymen.

THAT is the real story here.

......that and her emails.











Pizzagate.
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« Reply #10217 on: August 14, 2017, 01:47:46 PM »
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

Trump's approval rating hits a new low in RCP's average - 37.4% to 57.4% who disapprove.  538's weighted average had his all-time low last week (36.6%).

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #10218 on: August 14, 2017, 01:56:16 PM »
^ That's not a hacked site, it's a prank and it was made months ago. I think by "Funny or Die." I'm not surprised, at all, that so many on the left (including those in the media, who used to know better, many moons ago) have been fooled by it.

I'm not so sure. There's a section of the site where he mentions eating Arby's with his mother and getting "the rumbles" the next day. Speaking as someone who's had Arby's several times before and encountered these rumbles, I believe that's real. Even someone with the Lord on their side such as the great Mike Pence isn't immune to the Beef & Cheddar Blues.
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« Reply #10219 on: August 14, 2017, 02:29:04 PM »
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/346018-scarborough-republicans-who-would-favor-postponing-election-should

Scarborough: Republicans who would favor postponing election should hide faces in 'shame'

Frankly, I'm surprised it's only 52 percent. Still, an interesting situation should it arise; maybe a civil war? maybe one is overdue?

Are you seriously advocating FOR a civil war? Jesus.

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