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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2205 on: June 21, 2017, 11:36:47 AM »
But itís worrisome, Bromwich said,

It sounds pretty clear. 

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« Reply #2206 on: June 21, 2017, 11:40:59 AM »
But itís worrisome, Bromwich said,

It sounds pretty clear. 

You look at the context of the reporter. I'll look at the actual event. Feel free to worry.
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« Reply #2207 on: June 21, 2017, 11:42:36 AM »
No need to worry folks even though the scientist thinks so.  The reporter made up the scientists feelings on the matter and he hasn't tried to clear it up. 

Nothing to see here.  All is well.

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« Reply #2208 on: June 21, 2017, 11:52:13 AM »
No need to worry folks even though the scientist thinks so.  The reporter made up the scientists feelings on the matter and he hasn't tried to clear it up. 

Nothing to see here.  All is well.

My bad this is an "emergency". You win.

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« Reply #2209 on: June 21, 2017, 11:55:36 AM »
Not an emergency at all.   We can kick the can down the road.  Why should we attempt to change anything?  We don't want to inconvenience ourselves. 

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« Reply #2210 on: June 21, 2017, 01:13:36 PM »
This will be an interesting endurance test.  My money would be on down4cle, but hell hath no fury like AmrapinVA when challenged on this subject.  :)
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« Reply #2211 on: June 21, 2017, 01:22:10 PM »
This will be an interesting endurance test.  My money would be on down4cle, but hell hath no fury like AmrapinVA when challenged on this subject.  :)

You put your money on the right horse. ;)

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« Reply #2212 on: June 23, 2017, 12:04:22 AM »
Read this statement from George Bush Sr., about the passage of the 1990 Clean Air Act Amendments, and weep for today's GOP that seeks to destroy all that he sought.

Bush in '90 touted cleanup of urban smog & toxic air pollution; improved visibility, free from haze; cap-&-trade; http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=19039
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« Reply #2213 on: June 23, 2017, 12:56:39 PM »
Read this statement from George Bush Sr., about the passage of the 1990 Clean Air Act Amendments, and weep for today's GOP that seeks to destroy all that he sought.

Bush in '90 touted cleanup of urban smog & toxic air pollution; improved visibility, free from haze; cap-&-trade; http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=19039

Just within the terms of that statement, "cap-&-trade" there referred to an "acid rain allowance trading program."

The major divergence between conservatives and liberals today is on carbon policy.  Few conservatives are actually advocates for smog, which was one of the original ills that prompted Nixon to form the EPA in the first place.

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« Reply #2214 on: June 28, 2017, 02:39:08 PM »
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« Reply #2215 on: June 28, 2017, 02:45:38 PM »
Iran city hits suffocating heat index of 165 degrees, near world record
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/07/30/iran-city-hits-suffocating-heat-index-of-154-degrees-near-world-record/?utm_term=.3ae5fb69e2f2

Spoke with an ER doctor yesterday (for some, unfortunately, related circumstances) and he said they have had more people admitted for dehydration in the last three years than he had in the first ten years of practice combined. Great link, @KJP
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« Reply #2216 on: June 28, 2017, 03:48:23 PM »
Iran city hits suffocating heat index of 165 degrees, near world record
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/07/30/iran-city-hits-suffocating-heat-index-of-154-degrees-near-world-record/?utm_term=.3ae5fb69e2f2

Ken, this article is two years old.

The all time heat index is 176F(!!!) in 2003 at someplace I forget in Saudi.

Actually the global air temp is only .17C above the 1971-2000 average as of today. Global air temps are steadily cooling off of the El Nino highs of around +0.70C last summer mainly because most of Antarctica is having an incredibly cold winter and the Arctic summer hasn't been that warm compared to most recent ones, just slightly above average. It's an interesting pattern. The poles are supposed to be the barometer of warming around the time of the solstices. I guess not this year.

Hell, since we're using weather as an indicator of climate, it was in the 40s last night in the outer DC suburbs. BWI has as a new record low for the day -- 51F. I can't remember the last time it was this cool in late June for the Mid-Atlantic. Going to be the usual hot and humid by the 4th though.

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« Reply #2217 on: June 28, 2017, 05:47:49 PM »
Foiled by nature:

Scientists compare bacteria from the Antarctic Discovery expedition of 1901-1904 to current samples expecting big changes from AGW yet find none.

https://phys.org/news/2017-06-bacteria-samples-antarctica-century-identical.html
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« Reply #2218 on: June 29, 2017, 05:55:42 PM »
In Cleveland, climate change isn't about rising seas. It's about jobs and health.
By JASON MARGOLIS ē 4 HOURS AGO

More than 250 mayors from around the country convened in Miami Beach this week at the annual United States Conference of Mayors and vowed to buck President Donald Trump's inaction on climate change. The mayors, a mix of Democrats and Republicans, signed a resolution to increase efforts to combat climate change and commit to transitioning to renewable energy.

Cities have been pushing for stronger action on climate change for years, but the efforts are taking on greater intensity since President Trump announced his intention to withdraw from the Paris climate accord in June. Environmentalists have been taking advantage of this supercharged moment, pushing mayors to move toward 100 percent renewable energy, making the case that it isn't just good for the environment ó it's good for local economies and the health of a city.

Consider the case of Cleveland, a city divided by the Cuyahoga River between east and west. The East Side, where Jocelyn Travis is from, is largely African American.

MORE:
http://wlrn.org/post/cleveland-climate-change-isnt-about-rising-seas-its-about-jobs-and-health
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« Reply #2219 on: June 29, 2017, 06:59:17 PM »
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More than 250 mayors from around the country convened in Miami Beach this week...

How much fuel did they use to get there?  :|

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« Reply #2220 on: July 12, 2017, 12:03:14 PM »
Apparently this iceberg that broke off of Antarctica has twice the volume of Lake Erie. That's a lot of volume... https://t.co/XzFXHstFxy
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« Reply #2221 on: July 12, 2017, 12:16:21 PM »
Apparently this iceberg that broke off of Antarctica has twice the volume of Lake Erie. That's a lot of volume... https://t.co/XzFXHstFxy

Larsen C adds no volume to the ocean. It does make for great scary headlines.

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« Reply #2222 on: July 12, 2017, 01:07:18 PM »
Like a drop in a bucket.

Or less.

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« Reply #2224 on: July 27, 2017, 04:19:06 PM »
Wow, this is a MAJOR development!!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-petrol-diesel-ban-cars-vehicles-britain-sales-fuels-fossil-government-a7860181.html?cmpid=facebook-post

What is going to charge all these new e cars? It will be interesting to see if Britain's energy infrastructure can keep pace with greener alternatives.

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« Reply #2225 on: July 27, 2017, 04:36:03 PM »
Wow, this is a MAJOR development!!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-petrol-diesel-ban-cars-vehicles-britain-sales-fuels-fossil-government-a7860181.html?cmpid=facebook-post

What is going to charge all these new e cars? It will be interesting to see if Britain's energy infrastructure can keep pace with greener alternatives.

That's more than 30 years from now, and even then, there would still be a large number of ICE cars on the road, grandfathered in.

Most people who own electric cars, including me, do most of their charging overnight, during off-peak hours.  It doesn't put as much extra strain on the grid as you're thinking.  Lots of cars using fast chargers during peak hours might strain it a bit more but nothing that's beyond the reach of even today's engineering, let alone rational predictions about what generation and transmission technology we'll have in 2040.

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« Reply #2226 on: July 27, 2017, 05:03:56 PM »
Larsen C adds no volume to the ocean. It does make for great scary headlines.

Because Larsen C is clearly the only piece of big ice that's fallen into the ocean.... Since you don't seem to read much scientific/environmental news, I'll actually make it a little easy for you, although coloring books might be more helpful....

Stunning views of the imperiled Arctic https://t.co/zJEDMPl7Kw
(📷 : @NASA_ICE) https://t.co/EXtko6zdmi

That's more than 30 years from now, and even then, there would still be a large number of ICE cars on the road, grandfathered in.

What year do you think this is?
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« Reply #2227 on: July 27, 2017, 08:06:24 PM »
Iran city hits suffocating heat index of 165 degrees, near world record
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/07/30/iran-city-hits-suffocating-heat-index-of-154-degrees-near-world-record/?utm_term=.3ae5fb69e2f2

Ken, this article is two years old.

The all time heat index is 176F(!!!) in 2003 at someplace I forget in Saudi.

Actually the global air temp is only .17C above the 1971-2000 average as of today. Global air temps are steadily cooling off of the El Nino highs of around +0.70C last summer mainly because most of Antarctica is having an incredibly cold winter and the Arctic summer hasn't been that warm compared to most recent ones, just slightly above average. It's an interesting pattern. The poles are supposed to be the barometer of warming around the time of the solstices. I guess not this year.

Hell, since we're using weather as an indicator of climate, it was in the 40s last night in the outer DC suburbs. BWI has as a new record low for the day -- 51F. I can't remember the last time it was this cool in late June for the Mid-Atlantic. Going to be the usual hot and humid by the 4th though.


IIRC, "heat index" is impacted by paving over and urbanization.   
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« Reply #2228 on: July 28, 2017, 01:00:19 PM »
How do people become like this?

House Science Committee Chair says melting arctic ice is good because it creates more water for ships to sail over https://t.co/tVWjjBiYCN
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« Reply #2229 on: July 28, 2017, 02:11:30 PM »
Wow, this is a MAJOR development!!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-petrol-diesel-ban-cars-vehicles-britain-sales-fuels-fossil-government-a7860181.html?cmpid=facebook-post

What is going to charge all these new e cars? It will be interesting to see if Britain's energy infrastructure can keep pace with greener alternatives.

Well, while we dither, the UK is building.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/scotland-renewable-wind-energy-power-electricity-three-million-homes-118-per-cent-of-households-a7855846.html

In twenty years, non-carbon energy sources will predominate in the rest of the world -- will we continue to pollute our own air and waterways drilling and piping fuel around the US that we can't export?

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« Reply #2230 on: August 04, 2017, 09:55:26 AM »
Larsen C adds no volume to the ocean. It does make for great scary headlines.

Because Larsen C is clearly the only piece of big ice that's fallen into the ocean.... Since you don't seem to read much scientific/environmental news, I'll actually make it a little easy for you, although coloring books might be more helpful....

Stunning views of the imperiled Arctic https://t.co/zJEDMPl7Kw
(📷 : @NASA_ICE) https://t.co/EXtko6zdmi

Coloring books? That's cute, Ken. I'm not the one sourcing and posting incorrect information on this thread.

As for Arctic sea ice, let's go the source and skip the politics:

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

After a rather dramatic fall off sea ice from 1990-2006 there was more Arctic Sea ice in July 2017 then there was 10 years ago by a hair.

It has lowered the rate of decline from the beginning of the satellite record from over 11% in 2007 to around 7.5% now.

Those "ice free" summers look a lot further off than they did just 10 years ago.
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« Reply #2231 on: August 04, 2017, 07:25:29 PM »
AmrapinVA --

Yes, Arctic sea ice extent has not dramatically receded this year, but it was still in the top ten lowest extents on record. 

And, although the extent of sea ice in July 2017 is close to the coverage in 2007, the thickness of that ice has continued to go down.

See http://psc.apl.uw.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/schweiger/ice_volume/Bpiomas_plot_daily_heff.2sst.png

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« Reply #2232 on: Yesterday at 08:56:49 AM »
Meet July, the hottest month yet. Until next July.  https://t.co/UArL1IWHid
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