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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2136 on: March 16, 2017, 03:37:08 PM »

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/1360022/global-co2-emissions-reach-36-billion-tonnes-year-driven-china-and-coal

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/11/131118193127.htm

I can cite 50 more examples if you like.


Finally.  Thank you.

Again, it didn't need a citation and took me a grand total of two seconds to confirm for you.

The alternative fact came from Ken's link which you don't seem to have a problem with. Nothing has been corrected there. Is this "science"? Whatever.
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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2137 on: March 29, 2017, 02:57:36 PM »
Trumpettes/Republicans love it when the US map turns red. Can someone tell him this is not an election map?

February’s record warmth was brought to you by climate change https://t.co/jSXJbv3T4k
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« Reply #2138 on: March 29, 2017, 03:38:55 PM »
Trumpettes/Republicans love it when the US map turns red. Can someone tell him this is not an election map?

February’s record warmth was brought to you by climate change https://t.co/jSXJbv3T4k

The US is not the globe. Global temps are down from 2016.

Not to interject science into this political thread but NOAA changed their entire dataset about 18 months ago to make the pause disappear. Since then it's been record this and that with global temps using their revised data. The strong El Nino and it's aftereffects have certainly driven temps up for a short period recently but not ready to declare the end of life on the planet just yet. Call me crazy.
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« Reply #2139 on: March 30, 2017, 02:26:17 PM »
Yeah why not send these out... Only the fate of all living things is at stake.

A political organization that doubts climate science is sending this book to 200,000 teachers
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2017/03/29/a-political-organization-that-doubts-climate-science-is-sending-this-book-to-200000-teachers/?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.3d08d43780f9
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« Reply #2140 on: March 30, 2017, 02:36:28 PM »
We have to be the dumbest country on earth. Now THAT'S American Exceptionalism...

House votes to restrict EPA’s use of science
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/326380-house-votes-to-restrict-epas-use-of-science
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« Reply #2141 on: March 30, 2017, 02:39:50 PM »
The US is not the globe. Global temps are down from 2016.

Not to interject science into this political thread but NOAA changed their entire dataset about 18 months ago to make the pause disappear. Since then it's been record this and that with global temps using their revised data. The strong El Nino and it's aftereffects have certainly driven temps up for a short period recently but not ready to declare the end of life on the planet just yet. Call me crazy.

You're not crazy, just poorly informed....

January 2017 was third-warmest January on record
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2550/january-2017-was-third-warmest-january-on-record/

The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for February 2017 was 0.98°C (1.76°F) above the 20th century average of 12.1°C (53.9°F)—the second highest for February in the 138-year period of record, trailing behind the record set in 2016 (+1.20°C / +2.16°F) and ahead of 2015 by +0.10°C (+0.18°F).
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201702

So were you trying to say that February 2017 was colder than 2016 to  falsely make it seem like there was no problem or did you generally just not know any better in a climatological context?
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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2142 on: March 30, 2017, 05:44:55 PM »
The US is not the globe. Global temps are down from 2016.

Not to interject science into this political thread but NOAA changed their entire dataset about 18 months ago to make the pause disappear. Since then it's been record this and that with global temps using their revised data. The strong El Nino and it's aftereffects have certainly driven temps up for a short period recently but not ready to declare the end of life on the planet just yet. Call me crazy.

You're not crazy, just poorly informed....

January 2017 was third-warmest January on record
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2550/january-2017-was-third-warmest-january-on-record/

The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for February 2017 was 0.98°C (1.76°F) above the 20th century average of 12.1°C (53.9°F)—the second highest for February in the 138-year period of record, trailing behind the record set in 2016 (+1.20°C / +2.16°F) and ahead of 2015 by +0.10°C (+0.18°F).
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201702

So were you trying to say that February 2017 was colder than 2016 to  falsely make it seem like there was no problem or did you generally just not know any better in a climatological context?

Yeah, yeah. I'm not going back and forth on this. The end is not near. I'm so poorly informed I immediately recognized the incorrect info in that twitter feed last month.

The US is not the globe. The data was adjusted about 18 months ago. Temps are off the 2016 highs. That's all true.

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2143 on: March 30, 2017, 10:52:22 PM »
The US is not the globe. Global temps are down from 2016.

Not to interject science into this political thread but NOAA changed their entire dataset about 18 months ago to make the pause disappear. Since then it's been record this and that with global temps using their revised data. The strong El Nino and it's aftereffects have certainly driven temps up for a short period recently but not ready to declare the end of life on the planet just yet. Call me crazy.

You're not crazy, just poorly informed....

January 2017 was third-warmest January on record
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2550/january-2017-was-third-warmest-january-on-record/

The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for February 2017 was 0.98°C (1.76°F) above the 20th century average of 12.1°C (53.9°F)—the second highest for February in the 138-year period of record, trailing behind the record set in 2016 (+1.20°C / +2.16°F) and ahead of 2015 by +0.10°C (+0.18°F).
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201702

So were you trying to say that February 2017 was colder than 2016 to  falsely make it seem like there was no problem or did you generally just not know any better in a climatological context?

Yeah, yeah. I'm not going back and forth on this. The end is not near. I'm so poorly informed I immediately recognized the incorrect info in that twitter feed last month.

The US is not the globe. The data was adjusted about 18 months ago. Temps are off the 2016 highs. That's all true.

As I read the thread I agree with you on a couple points.  However, you are stating the data was adjusted, and the insinuation appears to me to be that it was adjusted not to be more accurate, but rather to align with some political happenings or something else that doesn't hold accuracy as paramount.  Do you have anything other than conjecture to back that up?

NOAA has clearly stated the reasons behind adjusting the data and the only people I hear questioning that are people that have a strong political bias. 

I'm also not certain where you are getting your information that 2016 wasn't the warmest on record (land temps) globally.  From NASA and NOAA - 2 institutions who devote quite a few resources to measuring this stuff:

Because weather station locations and measurement practices change over time, there are uncertainties in the interpretation of specific year-to-year global mean temperature differences. However, even taking this into account, NASA estimates 2016 was the warmest year with greater than 95 percent certainty.

“2016 is remarkably the third record year in a row in this series,” said GISS Director Gavin Schmidt. “We don’t expect record years every year, but the ongoing long-term warming trend is clear.”


https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-noaa-data-show-2016-warmest-year-on-record-globally

Always open to hearing non-biased, contextually relevant facts that show a different story.  I do, though, tend to trust NOAA and NASA and have yet to hear a good reason not to.

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2144 on: March 31, 2017, 05:04:44 PM »
The US is not the globe. Global temps are down from 2016.

Not to interject science into this political thread but NOAA changed their entire dataset about 18 months ago to make the pause disappear. Since then it's been record this and that with global temps using their revised data. The strong El Nino and it's aftereffects have certainly driven temps up for a short period recently but not ready to declare the end of life on the planet just yet. Call me crazy.

You're not crazy, just poorly informed....

January 2017 was third-warmest January on record
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2550/january-2017-was-third-warmest-january-on-record/

The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for February 2017 was 0.98°C (1.76°F) above the 20th century average of 12.1°C (53.9°F)—the second highest for February in the 138-year period of record, trailing behind the record set in 2016 (+1.20°C / +2.16°F) and ahead of 2015 by +0.10°C (+0.18°F).
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201702

So were you trying to say that February 2017 was colder than 2016 to  falsely make it seem like there was no problem or did you generally just not know any better in a climatological context?

Yeah, yeah. I'm not going back and forth on this. The end is not near. I'm so poorly informed I immediately recognized the incorrect info in that twitter feed last month.

The US is not the globe. The data was adjusted about 18 months ago. Temps are off the 2016 highs. That's all true.

As I read the thread I agree with you on a couple points.  However, you are stating the data was adjusted, and the insinuation appears to me to be that it was adjusted not to be more accurate, but rather to align with some political happenings or something else that doesn't hold accuracy as paramount.  Do you have anything other than conjecture to back that up?

NOAA has clearly stated the reasons behind adjusting the data and the only people I hear questioning that are people that have a strong political bias. 

I'm also not certain where you are getting your information that 2016 wasn't the warmest on record (land temps) globally.  From NASA and NOAA - 2 institutions who devote quite a few resources to measuring this stuff:

Because weather station locations and measurement practices change over time, there are uncertainties in the interpretation of specific year-to-year global mean temperature differences. However, even taking this into account, NASA estimates 2016 was the warmest year with greater than 95 percent certainty.

“2016 is remarkably the third record year in a row in this series,” said GISS Director Gavin Schmidt. “We don’t expect record years every year, but the ongoing long-term warming trend is clear.”


https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-noaa-data-show-2016-warmest-year-on-record-globally

Always open to hearing non-biased, contextually relevant facts that show a different story.  I do, though, tend to trust NOAA and NASA and have yet to hear a good reason not to.

Right. I wish I had more time but I don't so briefly:

I said the data was adjusted because the data was adjusted. It was adjusted warmer for periods closer to the present. It's just a statement of fact. You even searched and found the adjustment I was talking about.

Actually that's a pretty interesting quote you pulled from NOAA's site. So there's up to a 3-4% chance that 2016 was NOT the warmest year. That's a higher percentage of error than I thought.

I said 2017 temps are below 2016. Not quite sure what you meant about 2016.

Anyway, I don't have an issue with NOAA/NASA but I do have a problem with lots of people using this data as some sort of stone tablet that will foretell the end of humanity, especially looking at that error percentage. I'm not repeating myself about it.

I'm not pulling quotes from ThinkProgress on here or posting incorrect info and not correcting it. That's political.




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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2145 on: March 31, 2017, 10:25:55 PM »
Well that was fair - I skimmed and thought you had said 2016 wasn't warmest on record.  I have a bit of an issue with jumping the gun and not taking my time :|

Looking back through your posts in the last 2 pages I guess I don't see anywhere where you've said something incorrect.  But I did feel from a couple posts up that you insinuated NOAA data modification was political (which I have seen nothing of substance to back that claim). That led me to assume you were in the camp that contests the findings of NOAA/NASA et al.  If not, apologies.  I am all for accuracy and holding people to account.  I too get frustrated with thinkprogress, some of KJP's posts, and many right wing outlets who distort the science.

The end of life on the planet comment was hyperbolic and not something you see declared in serious discussions.  The threat to many people's livelihood though is very clear and has been articulated over and over.  It's not necessarily immediate and just because there's a 3-4% chance of error as far as record temps or not, that's not a convincing argument to de-fund, ignore, or refute what the overwhelming consensus on climate change is. 


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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2146 on: April 01, 2017, 11:11:50 AM »
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« Reply #2147 on: April 01, 2017, 12:13:53 PM »
The free market will decide!  After several people die and everybody knows about it, that brand will see a modest decline in sales.

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« Reply #2148 on: April 26, 2017, 12:50:40 PM »
More poison for the planet....

Planet Breaches 410 ppm for First Time in Human History
http://www.ecowatch.com/planet-breaches-410-ppm-as-back-to-back-protests-demand-trump-wake-up-2376628163.html
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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2149 on: April 27, 2017, 01:34:43 PM »
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« Reply #2150 on: April 28, 2017, 11:09:26 PM »
Oh, well that'll make the glaciers stop melting and the seas stop rising....
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/331185-epa-removes-climate-change-page-from-website-amid-updates

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