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Re: Brooklyn: IKEA superstore
« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2016, 06:04:25 AM »
For the record I was totally joking about City View. Seagulls don't even want to go there.

I get that, but this other location is not City View and was never a landfill. It is about a mile from the I-77/I-480 interchange and has great visibility.

Wait a second...is it downhill from the Cityview/landfill?

No, uphill if anything and on the other side of 480.
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Re: Brooklyn: IKEA superstore
« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2016, 06:27:58 AM »
http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/ikea_drops_plans_to_build_on_b.html#incart_m-rpt-1

Odd comment at the end.   C-bus isn't any closer to us than Pittsburgh or Detroit.
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Re: Brooklyn: IKEA superstore
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2016, 08:04:28 AM »
Ikea drops plans to build on Brooklyn site, southwest of Cleveland http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/ikea_drops_plans_to_build_on_b.html
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« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2016, 08:16:45 AM »
Indy and Las Vegas are other recent new store announcements and 30 of the top 32 metros now have or will have IKEA stores.  I remember reading in Crains that they were looking at Cleveland at least as far back as 2001 (Chagrin Highlands). Don't understand how nothing can be found, regardless of specific property needs.

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Re: Brooklyn: IKEA superstore
« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2016, 08:51:37 AM »
Sorry if that's been covered already but this seems like a perfect traffic driver to Pinecrest.  I wonder if room could be made there or somewhere else in the Chagrin Highlands?

However with that said I'm not upset if this thing does not get built at this point.  We missed the opportunity for an Ikea in Cleveland to be a regional draw anyway.  Isn't the model for their ginormous stores the ability for them to draw from several hundreds of miles away anyway?  We'll now be ringed by 3 stores each less than 200 miles away.  I think it would be damaging to our region's retail comeback story if an IKEA were built and it then be deemed unsuccessful because it can only draw from Cleveland/Akron metro.  At this point I'm more interested in attracting stores that aren't in Pittsburgh, Columbus or Detroit that can attract their shopping dollars here.

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Re: Brooklyn: IKEA superstore
« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2016, 09:27:12 AM »
Sorry if that's been covered already but this seems like a perfect traffic driver to Pinecrest.  I wonder if room could be made there or somewhere else in the Chagrin Highlands?

However with that said I'm not upset if this thing does not get built at this point.  We missed the opportunity for an Ikea in Cleveland to be a regional draw anyway.  Isn't the model for their ginormous stores the ability for them to draw from several hundreds of miles away anyway?  We'll now be ringed by 3 stores each less than 200 miles away.  I think it would be damaging to our region's retail comeback story if an IKEA were built and it then be deemed unsuccessful because it can only draw from Cleveland/Akron metro.  At this point I'm more interested in attracting stores that aren't in Pittsburgh, Columbus or Detroit that can attract their shopping dollars here.

If I was Arhaus I would be all over this gap.  They could put an outlet and/or showroom in their existing Walton Hills plant right by the casino, adjacent to their new plant in Boston Heights, or hell...both.
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Re: Brooklyn: IKEA superstore
« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2016, 09:33:23 AM »
It's a pity this is getting pushed back to the point it may never happen, as we will soon have 3 Ikeas within 2-3 hours drive.

I agree with the above posters that we should have something more unique to the region. Personally, I'd love a BO Concept downtown, or even at Croker, Eton etc.

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Re: Brooklyn: IKEA superstore
« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2016, 11:35:19 AM »
Sorry if that's been covered already but this seems like a perfect traffic driver to Pinecrest.  I wonder if room could be made there or somewhere else in the Chagrin Highlands?

However with that said I'm not upset if this thing does not get built at this point.  We missed the opportunity for an Ikea in Cleveland to be a regional draw anyway.  Isn't the model for their ginormous stores the ability for them to draw from several hundreds of miles away anyway?  We'll now be ringed by 3 stores each less than 200 miles away.  I think it would be damaging to our region's retail comeback story if an IKEA were built and it then be deemed unsuccessful because it can only draw from Cleveland/Akron metro.  At this point I'm more interested in attracting stores that aren't in Pittsburgh, Columbus or Detroit that can attract their shopping dollars here.

Well Pinecrest land can't handle an IKEA BUT the land immediately South across Harvard, which Jacobs just announced for 2 restaurants, a Drury Inn, and office building, is PRIME space for IKEA - and with an already improved off ramp. However, local restrictions on big box stores likely in play at CHighlands (thanks Mayor Marcia Fudge) to keep it out.

Minimum IKEA requirements something like 2MM population within 60 miles and 30+ highway viaibke acres. CLE/NEO has 4MM within an hour of any centrally located IKEA. Columbus and Indy will have 2MM within same drive. I am not worried about IKEA prospects. 25%+ of PIT IKEA sales have been rumored to be from NEO.

Also: related to the above - Arhaus is planning a 20K Sq ft Pinecrest store/showplace I hear and the land by their new HQ, which will have Costco/Bass Pro, could and should be a potential IKEA location to check out... as it is central enough to NEO cities and Rt 8/271/80 access adjacent/nearby.

IKEA site requirements per their Joe Roth contained here:
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=542362

 (CLE far surpasses many cities already with stores on these)
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« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2016, 02:51:44 PM »
Why do you folks think IKEA won't build in the Cleveland area? Does anyone have a real idea?

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« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2016, 03:18:38 PM »
Interesting....

.@clevelanddotcom @IKEAUSA use vacant American Greetings property...why destroy Big Creek #wetlands? So many existing large sites available
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« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2016, 04:08:22 PM »
Existing AG building spot a half mile off/not visible from highway = breaks several IKEA site rules...
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Re: Brooklyn: IKEA superstore
« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2016, 10:35:21 PM »
Tear down the First Energy Lakeshore plant and build the IKEA there.
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« Reply #47 on: February 19, 2016, 05:47:32 AM »
Tear down the First Energy Lakeshore plant and build the IKEA there.

There is no way in Hades that a foreign based retailer is going to build on a site with that sort of potential CERCLA issues.
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« Reply #48 on: February 19, 2016, 06:01:38 AM »
Except where's the justification for site clean up without a potential user?
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« Reply #49 on: February 19, 2016, 06:34:48 AM »
Except where's the justification for site clean up without a potential user?

Exactly.  Hence the vicious circle that is CERCLA.
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« Reply #50 on: February 19, 2016, 09:39:53 AM »
The old Randall Mall site?  Maybe it would help that decrepit area as opposed to bulldozing more green space.   
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« Reply #51 on: February 19, 2016, 10:16:57 AM »
The old Bridgeview Crossing site off of Transportation Blvd, north of I-480?  The retail site crashed during the recession but right off highway and visible.  Not sure who controls that site.
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« Reply #52 on: February 19, 2016, 02:14:09 PM »
Hasn't IKEA been looking for 20 years now in greater Cleveland? There's so much vacant space in the area. Had they truly wanted to been in Cleveland they would have made something work by now.

With cbus opening in 2017 I'd wager than the odds of Cleveland getting an IKEA is low sadly.


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« Reply #53 on: February 19, 2016, 02:21:53 PM »
Euclid Square Mall (Church Square Mall now).  close to I-271, 90, and Route 2.  Two freeway exits (E. 260th and Babbit Rd).  A little over a mile from the lake.  Very visible from the freeway heading both east and west.
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Re: Brooklyn: IKEA superstore
« Reply #54 on: February 19, 2016, 03:02:23 PM »
Hasn't IKEA been looking for 20 years now in greater Cleveland? There's so much vacant space in the area. Had they truly wanted to been in Cleveland they would have made something work by now.

With cbus opening in 2017 I'd wager than the odds of Cleveland getting an IKEA is low sadly.



But few are large, clean-n-green sites within sight from interstate highways, next to highway interchanges.
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« Reply #55 on: February 19, 2016, 03:25:53 PM »
Hasn't IKEA been looking for 20 years now in greater Cleveland? There's so much vacant space in the area. Had they truly wanted to been in Cleveland they would have made something work by now.

With cbus opening in 2017 I'd wager than the odds of Cleveland getting an IKEA is low sadly.



But few are large, clean-n-green sites within sight from interstate highways, next to highway interchanges.

I certainly feel we will get an IKEA... 2x the size of markets like Columbus and Indy amd SLC and Jacksonville etc which are getting them stores or have them. Stores 2-3 hrs away are not competition.

And when I think of relatively central to CLE/Akron/Canton (and/or other major retail) green tracts of land, SE corner of Chagrin/Harvard (size restrictions for retailers aside) is tops,  Rt 8/I80 by new Arhaus and Seasons Road exit on route 8 in Hudson area (previously rumored for IKEA).

I also agree NW corner of 480/Transportation would have crazy visibility on that hill... but that could be some problem land.

Sure, Avon or Medina might have room, but further from the masses.

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« Reply #56 on: February 20, 2016, 07:27:31 AM »
The old Bridgeview Crossing site off of Transportation Blvd, north of I-480?  The retail site crashed during the recession but right off highway and visible.  Not sure who controls that site.

I've mentioned this site several times now. I think would be perfect.

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« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2016, 07:42:11 AM »
I would love to see that site off of Transportation redeveloped for it. Or the Outlet mall that was proposed a couple years ago. It has everything going for it, and would be a great boost for Garfield Hts, which could surely use a nice shot in the arm. Does anyone know just how big it is though? Is it big enough for Ikea's needs?

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« Reply #58 on: February 20, 2016, 10:24:18 AM »
I thought that development at Cityview was stopped by the EPA because of methane from the landfill underneath?
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« Reply #59 on: February 20, 2016, 11:26:47 AM »
I thought that development at Cityview was stopped by the EPA because of methane from the landfill underneath?

Bridgeview is on the north side of 480, Cityview is south.
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« Reply #60 on: February 20, 2016, 01:38:19 PM »
A map of the site, my recollection is that the acreage is enough for Ikea:

http://www.garfieldhts.org/userfiles/file/economicdevelopment/OutletsOfCleveland.pdf

I have no idea what's going on with the Outlet Malls. Probably never going to happen, but whoever owns it should do something to ensure that this prime piece of realty can be developed. And the extension of Transportation Boulevard to Rockside Road would need to be part of the plan.

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Re: Brooklyn: IKEA superstore
« Reply #62 on: February 20, 2016, 04:12:00 PM »
Just throw in Ikea as an anchor and a couple parking garages and we'll be looking pretty good!

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« Reply #63 on: February 20, 2016, 06:39:57 PM »
Quick question - what happened to all the box anchors on the other side of the interstate? That whole center is dead, but it looks relatively new. Where did they all go?

I was curious and looked up the site (btw, looks like a good one for Ikea). I'm hoping they do it, but IMO just from the map the Randall Park site makes more sense
IF they could get zoning and land to put a big IKEA sign at the intersection of 480 and 271.

Interstate access would be good, and they would be within spitting distance of Pinecrest and all the higher end stuff in Gates Mills/Beechwood/etc.
Also would have a lot of Solon within the 5-10 mile radius, which should drive up the median incomes in the area.

Or they could buy out the self storage facility and low-rent apartment complex at the SW corner of the 480/271 interchange and build there.
IMO if they want visibility this seems like an easy way to get it.

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« Reply #64 on: February 20, 2016, 06:48:10 PM »
Quick question - what happened to all the box anchors on the other side of the interstate? That whole center is dead, but it looks relatively new. Where did they all go?


Go over there, light a match and you'll get your answer.

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« Reply #65 on: February 20, 2016, 10:48:14 PM »
Ah. I see. Methane. Why hasnt the center been imploded yet?

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« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2016, 07:09:24 PM »
Ah. I see. Methane. Why hasnt the center been imploded yet?

It's probably pretty hard to book a wrecking ball these days.  :roll:
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« Reply #67 on: February 22, 2016, 05:25:37 AM »
Quick question - what happened to all the box anchors on the other side of the interstate? That whole center is dead, but it looks relatively new. Where did they all go?


Go over there, light a match and you'll get your answer.

(FYI I mentioned the reason why above)

Looks dead unless you pull in.  Giant Eagle is still open as are a few others, IIRC.

You want "dead", go to Rockside and Northfield.  Ironically, the latter location's Walmart replaced Cityview's.
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Re: Brooklyn: IKEA superstore
« Reply #68 on: February 22, 2016, 06:39:55 AM »
Quick question - what happened to all the box anchors on the other side of the interstate? That whole center is dead, but it looks relatively new. Where did they all go?


Go over there, light a match and you'll get your answer.

(FYI I mentioned the reason why above)

Looks dead unless you pull in.  Giant Eagle is still open as are a few others, IIRC.

You want "dead", go to Rockside and Northfield.  Ironically, the latter location's Walmart replaced Cityview's.


The strip next to the freeway with Chipotle and Starbucks is full other than what use to be a Chili's (I think). Other than that Giant Eagle and First Merit Bank are the only things open in the actual City View Center. Who knows how long first Merit will be open there too with the merger with Huntington since there is a current Huntington branch in Giant Eagle.

Meadowbrook at Rockside and Northfield has got to be the saddest shopping center in Cleveland. If it wasn't so far from the highway for Ikea's need for visibility, I'd say it would be a good site. Otherwise that whole (huge!) area needs bulldozed. Would probably be much better off redeveloped as housing.

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« Reply #69 on: February 22, 2016, 07:13:31 AM »
A stray comment about IKEA on CLE.com caught my attention. A poster said IKEA was looking at an empty piece of land just east of Lowe's in Bedford Heights (technically, I believe) - which is just east of 271 on Miles Road and immediately South of 422 (where continues East from 480). This is essentially on the SE side of the larger interchange where Randall Park is on the NW side.

I took note because this is not a spot an average Joe would just pick out of the blue - the person would almost have to know something - and yet it is maybe 1/4 mile off highway, quite visible from the road (especially 271, which is almost on top of the aforementioned Lowe's) - and central to an interchange that brings traffic from 4 directions. Pretty much exactly what IKEA is looking for, save for an open field somewhere. Interesting.

CarMax and Tim Lally Chevrolet recently built large complexes just across the street.. so the area is getting noticed. Sure, it's likely just a runor, but it makes sense - and if Bedford could score this, well.....
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