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Cleveland: Clark-Metro-Stockyards Developments
« on: March 11, 2014, 12:12:24 AM »
OMG, at Sun Newspapers a decade ago we were covering the possibility of the renovation of the long-closed Aragon Ballroom on West 25th Street near Clark Avenue. So it's great to finally see the project move forward.....

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2014/03132014/index.php

Cleveland Landmarks Commission
AGENDA - March 13, 2014

CONCEPT PLAN

Aragon Ballroom
3170 West 25th Street
Renovation












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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2014, 12:20:38 AM »
And another project nearby? Usually you don't see Landmark status for an old warehouse unless you plan on renovating it -- and need the historic tax credits to help finance it. So......

CLEVELAND LANDMARK NOMINATION
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Lion Knitting Mills (Kredo Industrial Supply)
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2014, 01:08:43 AM »

Maybe this was posted sometime in the recent past, i dunno, but planning is afoot for a TLC on the 'Clark Corridor'

Transportation for Livable Communities Initiative
Clark Avenue Corridor Plan

The Northeast Ohio Area Coordinating Agency awarded Tremont West $75,000

http://www.tremontwest.org/index/cms-filesystem-action?file=newsletters/february2014.pdf
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2014, 05:56:56 PM »
And another project nearby? Usually you don't see Landmark status for an old warehouse unless you plan on renovating it -- and need the historic tax credits to help finance it. So......

CLEVELAND LANDMARK NOMINATION
AGENDA - March 13, 2014

Lion Knitting Mills (Kredo Industrial Supply)
3256 West 25th Street




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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2014, 07:19:39 PM »
Great news (hopefully) about the Aragon

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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2014, 09:18:54 PM »
Great photos, Firenze98. Thanks!
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2014, 10:29:49 PM »
What program are they anticipating at the Aragon?

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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2014, 04:49:40 AM »
What program are they anticipating at the Aragon?

Councilman Cummins has more info on this at his site.  http://brian-cummins.blogspot.com/2013/03/four-rehab-projects-in-works-on-w-25th.html

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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2014, 05:13:27 AM »
^Thanks!  From Cummins blog:

"Plans for the Aragon are to restore the building and utilize it as an additional Conference and Banquet Center and possibly for performance arts. "

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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2014, 04:46:10 PM »
^ Thanks for sharing that, X.
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2014, 05:18:32 PM »
Glad to see the renovations into Elk & Elk offices (even if I don't care for ambulance chasers) and especially the Masonic Temple rehab. Marous was due to rehab that building shortly before the recession, but the recession killed it.
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Re: Cleveland: Clark-Metro-Stockyards developments
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2014, 01:23:01 AM »
That Elk & Elk rehab is hideous.

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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2014, 01:32:40 AM »
That Elk & Elk rehab is hideous.

Exactly what I thought. It looks better in its current state of abandonment.
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2014, 06:11:19 AM »
Wha-wha?!?!  That Elk & Elk rehab can't be for real!  That's about as bad as it gets.

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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2014, 02:01:08 PM »
Wha-wha?!?!  That Elk & Elk rehab can't be for real!  That's about as bad as it gets.
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2014, 05:46:03 PM »
I'm going to post this in here. The developer lists it as Tremont, but it's a few roads past the quite liberal southern neighborhood boundaries. I thought I remembered reading about the Metro Lofts, 3307 Scranton Rd, (Great Crash casualty?) but there are four units for sale out of 21 possible currently and reasonably priced. I just happened to run across them while searching for possible homes.

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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2014, 08:11:42 PM »
Those have been apartments for years.

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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2014, 08:08:06 AM »
I'm going to post this in here. The developer lists it as Tremont, but it's a few roads past the quite liberal southern neighborhood boundaries. I thought I remembered reading about the Metro Lofts, 3307 Scranton Rd, (Great Crash casualty?) but there are four units for sale out of 21 possible currently and reasonably priced. I just happened to run across them while searching for possible homes.

http://www.metroloft.com/index.html

Yep, Metro Lofts are in Tremont CDC's planning area.

So are we following Lebron from Miami-Ft Lauderdale back to Cleveland? If so, cool. If you need any help, feel free to post in the Cleveland Relocation thread. Thanks!
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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2014, 09:00:28 AM »
So tying this into other threads, they must have gotten financing that required them to stay rentals for a certain number of years before they could convert to sales? They seem really cute.

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Re: Cleveland: Clark-Metro-Stockyards developments
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2014, 09:01:53 AM »
Y'all slippin'. This is already TWO days old. Damn near neolithic....

MetroHealth's ambitious campus makeover may be push West 25th Street needs
By JAY MILLER
Originally Published: August 03, 2014 4:30 AM  Modified: August 04, 2014 4:24 PM

The decision to make over MetroHealth Medical Center on Cleveland's West Side may just be the spur that gets the neighborhood surrounding the public hospital to take off.

The neighborhood, with West 25th Street as its spine, has been treading water for years. Although it has a sturdy housing stock comprised of homes built in the decades before the recession, the miseries that have beset so many parts of Cleveland — a decline in the public schools, the lure of newer suburban housing and, early on, freeways that chopped up neighborhoods — cost the neighborhood its vitality and led to a fleeing middle class.

Now, though, nearby city neighborhoods have rebounded, and city leaders and planners think this area has a chance to be the next Ohio City or Tremont. And, unlike in the past, MetroHealth is turning outward to embrace the neighborhood as it remakes its campus, instead of turning its back, as it had done in the past.

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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2014, 09:11:23 AM »
^ That headlline....oh man.

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Re: Cleveland: Clark-Metro-Stockyards Developments
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2015, 10:30:32 AM »
This is for the Aragon Ballroom....





Board of Zoning Appeals
APRIL 20, 2015

9:30
Calendar No. 15-023: 3179 West 25 Street Ward 14
Brian Cummins
18 Notices

Woodland Inc. (aka Ali Farai) proposes to establish use of 16,698 square foot building as a
banquet/assembly hall in a C2 Local Retail Business District and a Pedestrian Retail Overlay District
(PRO). The owner appeals for relief from the following sections of the Cleveland Codified
Ordinances:
1. Section 343.01(b) which states that a banquet hall is not permitted in a Local Retail Business
District.
2. Section 343.11(b)(2)(L) which state that a banquet hall is first permitted in a General Retail
Business District only if 500 feet away from a residential district per Section 347.12 (a)(1).
Proposed use abuts a residential District.
3. Section 349.04(e) which states that an accessory off-street parking area equal to three times
the gross floor area is required and none are provided.
4. Section 357.02 which states that a nonconforming use of a building or premises which has
been discontinued shall not thereafter be returned to such nonconforming use. A
nonconforming use shall be considered discontinued: (1) When the intent of the owner to
discontinue the use is express; or (2) When the use is voluntarily discontinued for six (6)
months or more. The intent to voluntarily discontinue a use may be implied from acts or the
failure to act, including, but not limited to, the removal of and failure to replace the
characteristic equipment and furnishings; or (3) The cessation of business operations for
two (2) years or more unless the cessation of business operations was caused by factors out
of the control of the business such as the disability or illness of the proprietor or
governmental action unrelated to the behavior of the business.
5. Section 352.08 through 352.12 which states that a ten foot wide landscaped transition strip
providing 75% year round opacity is required at the rear of the property where it abuts a
residential district.
6. Section 343.23(h) which states that in a Pedestrian Retail Overlay District for any
nonresidential building or storefront facing a Pedestrian Retail Street Frontage, not less than
sixty percent (60%) of the front façade between two and one-half (2 ½) and seven and onehalf
(7-1/2) feet in height shall be composed of transparent windows or doors. (Filed February
4, 2015)

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2015/crr04-20-2015.pdf
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« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2015, 10:46:23 AM »
^Safe to say that first photo is from Google Street View, right?
I last drove by there less than a month ago and there has already been some significant exterior work done.

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« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2015, 10:50:03 AM »
^Safe to say that first photo is from Google Street View, right?
I last drove by there less than a month ago and there has already been some significant exterior work done.

Probably. But it's hosted at the CPC.
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« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2015, 12:05:04 PM »
I'll try to head around there soon to get an updated pic

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« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2015, 07:25:24 PM »
Apparently there's been some negative comments about the Aragon project in the community. So its important for people to show up at an upcoming public meeting and keep an on news coverage (and those anonymous comments in opposition):

http://brian-cummins.blogspot.com/2015/04/historic-aragon-ballroom-project-public.html?m=1
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Re: Cleveland: Clark-Metro-Stockyards Developments
« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2015, 07:31:09 PM »
^The pushback isn't anonymous, it's from residents in the immediate area and I can hardly blame them for being wary.

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« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2015, 07:44:11 PM »
Why? What's the problem? I don't know anything about this project except that Councilman Cummins supports it, and he's usually had pretty good judgement. Why don't you like the project @MayDay?

EDIT1: Or does anyone have any info about the downsides of this project? Is it the proposed use? The owner? The architect? Something else??

EDIT2: Apparently the concerns are limited to the availability of parking and that the establishment would have a liquor license. Whether you support or oppose the project, or better still have ideas on how to improve it, I hope you'll show up at the public meeting (see my prior message).
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« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2015, 07:24:11 AM »
The downsides are the occupancy limits (1,200 people), hours of operation, the liquor license (if it's truly a conference/event center, it wouldn't need one as long as events aren't open to the general public), the closest homes are 12 feet from the building, and the planned valet parking sounds great - if it weren't for the fact Lincoln-West and West 25th will be construction zones pretty soon.
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« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2015, 09:19:19 AM »
I hope you can attend a public meeting. You always have good ideas on how to improve site plans. The alternative of letting this building (vacant for 20 years) continue to rot is equally not viable.
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« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2015, 08:40:47 AM »
so glad to see the aragon is coming back to life. the render looks great. yeah, as a neighbor i would be wary of the booze permit too. other than that, it wont be holding any more people than it did in its prime, the area just enjoyed a way too long reprieve with their parking.
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« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2015, 01:07:11 PM »
Sounds intriguing. No graphics yet....

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/04172015/index.php

City Planning Commission
Agenda for April 17, 2015

SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS
The Dream Village
Project Representative: Tony Bango, Stockyard, Clark-Fulton, Brooklyn Centre Community Development Office
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« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2015, 07:04:45 AM »
Sneak peek: the Aragon Ballroom http://t.co/qJL0AYpP1g @FreshWaterCLE #Cleveland
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« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2015, 09:08:17 AM »
This is for the Aragon Ballroom....
Board of Zoning Appeals
APRIL 20, 2015

9:30
Calendar No. 15-023: 3179 West 25 Street Ward 14
Brian Cummins
18 Notices

Woodland Inc. (aka Ali Farai) proposes to establish use of 16,698 square foot building as a
banquet/assembly hall in a C2 Local Retail Business District and a Pedestrian Retail Overlay District
(PRO). The owner appeals for relief from the following sections of the Cleveland Codified
Ordinances:
1. Section 343.01(b) which states that a banquet hall is not permitted in a Local Retail Business
District.
2. Section 343.11(b)(2)(L) which state that a banquet hall is first permitted in a General Retail
Business District only if 500 feet away from a residential district per Section 347.12 (a)(1).
Proposed use abuts a residential District.
3. Section 349.04(e) which states that an accessory off-street parking area equal to three times
the gross floor area is required and none are provided.
4. Section 357.02 which states that a nonconforming use of a building or premises which has
been discontinued shall not thereafter be returned to such nonconforming use. A
nonconforming use shall be considered discontinued: (1) When the intent of the owner to
discontinue the use is express; or (2) When the use is voluntarily discontinued for six (6)
months or more. The intent to voluntarily discontinue a use may be implied from acts or the
failure to act, including, but not limited to, the removal of and failure to replace the
characteristic equipment and furnishings; or (3) The cessation of business operations for
two (2) years or more unless the cessation of business operations was caused by factors out
of the control of the business such as the disability or illness of the proprietor or
governmental action unrelated to the behavior of the business.
5. Section 352.08 through 352.12 which states that a ten foot wide landscaped transition strip
providing 75% year round opacity is required at the rear of the property where it abuts a
residential district.
6. Section 343.23(h) which states that in a Pedestrian Retail Overlay District for any
nonresidential building or storefront facing a Pedestrian Retail Street Frontage, not less than
sixty percent (60%) of the front façade between two and one-half (2 ½) and seven and onehalf
(7-1/2) feet in height shall be composed of transparent windows or doors. (Filed February
4, 2015)

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2015/crr04-20-2015.pdf

POSTPONED FROM APRIL 20, 2015
9:30
Calendar No. 15-023: 3179 West 25 Street Ward 14
Brian Cummins

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2015/crr05-11-2015.pdf
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Re: Cleveland: Clark-Metro-Stockyards Developments
« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2015, 09:53:27 AM »
This building is just over the tracks from Ohio City in Clark-Fulton. A landmark nomination suggests they owner is seeking tax credits to renovate the building for whatever purpose....

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2015/05282015/index.php

Cleveland Landmarks Commission
AGENDA - May 28, 2015

CLEVELAND LANDMARK NOMINATION
1. Leisy Brewery Bottling Works Building
3506 Vega Avenue



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