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« Reply #105 on: January 29, 2016, 12:16:04 PM »
Sanders has made pretty clear that when he says "socialism" he's referring to democratic socialism, and Scando-style democratic socialism at that. Pointing to the horrors of second/third world Communism seems more than a tad irrelevant. About as useful as yelling "Somalia!" at libertarians.

Fine - compare to pre-Thatcher England.  The principles and limits of socialism don't evaporate because you have to rely on 51% support of the population to confiscate other's property rather than a singular despot.  Same results, maybe to a different degree.
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« Reply #106 on: January 29, 2016, 12:24:10 PM »
"Oh, you mean Sweden, not Soviet Russia? Same Difference."

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I don't expect conservatives to like Democratic Socialst Bernie Sanders. It just makes my eyes bleed to read all this invocation of Communist despotism. It's like the mirror of Godwin's law.
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« Reply #107 on: January 29, 2016, 12:28:27 PM »
"Oh, you mean Sweden, not Soviet Russia? Same Difference."

- no one ever.

I don't expect conservatives to like Democratic Socialst Bernie Sanders. It just makes my eyes bleed to read all this invocation of Communist despotism. It's like the mirror of Godwin's law.

You're right.  Maybe this time it will be different.

Edit: Also, there were some good articles a while back about how Scandinavia is not nearly the socialist paradise most American progressives think it is and how it is decreased welfare benefits in recent years and embraced more free market policies.  I'll post later.
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« Reply #108 on: January 29, 2016, 01:02:24 PM »
@StrapHanger I may have been unduly ornery to you, sorry.  But can we at least recognize the principle difference between even the softest, most benevolent Democratic Socialism as opposed to the classical liberal view?  With the latter system, you are free to devote whatever amount of your resources to charity - 100%, 90%, 80%, etc.  You are free to make that choice.  But with the former system, you are compelled to pay what others determine.  If you refuse, men with guns can be dispatched to your house to make sure they can spend your money as they see fit.

Honest question: Doesn't that bother you?  Even a little bit?
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« Reply #109 on: January 29, 2016, 01:07:52 PM »
^How is that any different than the system the US has in place right now?  You are compelled to pay your taxes at the progressive rates so that the government can use your money as they see fit.  If you don't pay, cops (men with guns) may be dispatched to your house to arrest you.  Isn't this true in every industrialized country ever?

What am I missing?  Why would this bother people?
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« Reply #110 on: January 29, 2016, 01:10:12 PM »
^How is that any different than the system the US has in place right now?  You are compelled to pay your taxes at the progressive rates so that the government can use your money as they see fit.  If you don't pay, cops (men with guns) may be dispatched to your house to arrest you.  Isn't this true in every industrialized country ever?

What am I missing?  Why would this bother people?

Sure.  But that not necessarily offensive if you are only paying for truly public goods. (parks, police, roadways, etc.)
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« Reply #111 on: January 29, 2016, 01:11:14 PM »
^^At what point do you draw the line?

I would argue income taxes, property taxes, gas taxes, and sales taxes (etc.) are all forms of socialism. The government is taking you money, spending it how they see fit, and throw you in jail if you cheat the system and don't pay taxes.

I would love to see some additional taxes so everyone is covered for basic doctor appointments and emergency procedures with no worry about filing bankruptcy and losing their house because they are dealt a bad hand. It's a matter of how socialist or how libertarian you want to be. You're pretending that "classical liberal" means we don't require you to pay for things you have no direct say in. The current system is a mix of socialist and libertarian. I would like to move more to the socialist side for healthcare. It's arguably the most important thing the government can provide for its citizens.
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« Reply #112 on: January 29, 2016, 01:25:56 PM »
@StrapHanger I may have been unduly ornery to you, sorry.  But can we at least recognize the principle difference between even the softest, most benevolent Democratic Socialism as opposed to the classical liberal view?  With the latter system, you are free to devote whatever amount of your resources to charity - 100%, 90%, 80%, etc.  You are free to make that choice.  But with the former system, you are compelled to pay what others determine.  If you refuse, men with guns can be dispatched to your house to make sure they can spend your money as they see fit.

Honest question: Doesn't that bother you?  Even a little bit?

Ha, definitely no need to apologize! Yes, of course I recognize the difference. I wasn't here to defend Bernie's views or promote Scandinavian policy. Just trying to bring the conversation back into the real world, given Bernie's actual policy platform (i.e., single payer healthcare, not collectivized agriculture and nationalized industry).

I completely understand your principled objection to social spending, even if I don't share it. Which isn't to say I embrace all social spending or other government action (lord knows i don't).
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« Reply #113 on: January 30, 2016, 12:10:51 PM »
Wow.  Ted Cruz's face as an 18 year old was even more punchable than it is now

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« Reply #114 on: February 01, 2016, 12:37:00 PM »
If you're still on the fence about Ted Cruz, this endorsement video from Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson will knock you off it:

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« Reply #115 on: February 06, 2016, 10:33:06 AM »
Can't make this stuff up. Someone on his campaign staff will get fired....

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/4/1480113/-Ted-Cruz-s-Logo-Hilariously-Appropriate
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« Reply #116 on: February 18, 2016, 07:28:22 PM »
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« Reply #117 on: February 19, 2016, 09:35:30 AM »
One of Ben Carson's supporters, a lawyer from Chicago, has filed suit challenging Cruz's eligibility to be President.  While I would suspect he is ultimately declared eligible, the twist to this would be there is probably no way the case reaches final resolution (including all appeals) prior to the RNC.  What if the GOP nominates a candidate whose eligibility to be President is the subject of ongoing litigation.

One of Cruz's law school professors personally believes that Cruz meets the definition of "natural born" but, interestingly points out, that he would likely NOT meet the definition if Cruz's OWN constitutional interpretation standards were applied.
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« Reply #119 on: February 24, 2016, 08:21:54 PM »
From NPR's NinaTotenberg: SCOTUS sources say Ted Cruz asked to sit with Scalia clerks at funeral. They said no. Then GOP leadership said no because he wasn't one of them either. Ted is just an awkward guy all the way around...
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« Reply #121 on: March 25, 2016, 12:17:36 PM »
And he seems like such a likable guy too.

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« Reply #122 on: March 25, 2016, 12:31:14 PM »
Couldn't possibly be true.  He is a born-again evangelical Christian.  Oh wait...
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« Reply #123 on: March 25, 2016, 12:31:20 PM »
^^ The thing I find most unbelievable about that story is that multiple women wanted to have sex with Ted Cruz.

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« Reply #124 on: March 25, 2016, 01:07:46 PM »
^ You underestimate how attractive being wealthy and in a position of power is to (some) women.

There are conspiracies out there that Trump knew about this for a long time, and hired one of the women to work on his campaign awhile ago (and if the internet is right her, then I have to hand it to Ted because she's quite a looker). This is why Trump recently egged on Cruz, after Cruz ran the ads in Utah featuring a scantily clad Mrs. Trump.

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« Reply #125 on: March 25, 2016, 01:18:42 PM »
But Cruz didn't run those ads.  "Make America Awesome Again" (a leftist anti-Trump SuprePAC) ran them.  Trump mistakenly assumed Cruz was responsible.
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« Reply #126 on: March 25, 2016, 01:30:14 PM »
^ From what I've read it's a Republican sponsored anti-Trump PAC, which makes it a de facto Cruz supporting PAC at this point. It's led by Liz Mair. It would be funny if it turns out she was one of Cruz's side pieces.

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« Reply #127 on: March 25, 2016, 01:42:37 PM »
Cruzin' for a bruzin':
http://gawker.com/national-enquirer-ted-cruz-has-had-at-least-5-extramar-1767002606

Don't they have an appeal to file?  Or has Hulk Hogan already taken over ownership?
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« Reply #128 on: May 10, 2016, 12:05:50 PM »
Okay, I know Ted Cruz dropped out of the GOP race last week.  But Samantha Bee's brilliant (and NSFW) profile of him needed to be posted here for posterity:

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« Reply #129 on: May 10, 2016, 12:06:18 PM »
Plus, Ted Cruz will be missed . . . by late night TV hosts that used to be on The Daily Show:



BTW, Sam Bee still NSFW:
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« Reply #130 on: September 12, 2017, 09:02:21 PM »
This just In: Mike Pence no longer allowed to have dinner with Ted Cruz alone. ;)
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« Reply #131 on: September 13, 2017, 09:23:43 AM »
Ted Cruz:

The guy that argued that the constitution doesn't protect your right to buy an item to use in the privacy of your own home.  I'd love to see someone defend this on a "strict interpretation" of the constitution argument.  It's weird that people automatically assume that conservative is the default for constitutional.  It's like they believe the propaganda.

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