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« on: May 29, 2012, 06:37:01 PM »
This is in the heart of the Cudell so it would be the southside of W. 117th area. No?
These terrace row houses are getting a new lease on life (they're a Nat'l Historic Landmark -- not sure when that was designated). It's essentially two very long buildings that face each other with retail and/or apartments on the ends (this all sits between Detroit, Madison, West Blvd and W. 101st).
Right now, a big brick building on the corner also seems to be getting rehabbed. As well as one of the streets, W. 101st.


This side is not yet under construction






THis side is starting to take shape














The storefront area on Detroit




The taller brick bldg at W. 101 & Detroit








W. 101st St



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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2012, 08:11:34 PM »
I've always loved those buildings and I'm glad they're getting some attention.
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2012, 08:40:28 PM »
I hope they dont completely cover up that brick street though!

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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2012, 09:21:34 PM »
Wow. Great pics and what a project. Any idea who's doing the reno work/how the units will be marketed?

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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2012, 09:22:25 PM »
General contractor is Marous Brothers Construction, I believe the developer is Ferchill Group.  I know it's staying low income apartments because it's being funded with LIHTC's.  Too bad it's all staying low income, that area could really use an infusion of quality market rate apartments
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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2012, 09:29:28 PM »
This was moved from the Lakewood/Cleveland West 117th thread. West 117th is 15+ blocks west of this location, although the Cleveland side of West 117th is in the Cudell CDC's area.

This is a much-needed station-area development. I can't tell you how many times I've ranted about that beautiful Shamrock Apartments building on the SW corner of Detroit and West 101st sitting vacant for the past 25 years. How could I claim rail transit is a benefit to a neighborhood when the owner of that building has neglected it for 30 years? Glad to see some investment is coming to that area.

So how much of this will be low-income? All of it or just some?
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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2012, 09:32:04 PM »
Nothing wrong with lower income housing in principle, but it struck me that in a place like Washington DC, considering the proximity to public transport, those would be $300k+ units. At any rate, any investment is good investment in that party of the city.

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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2012, 09:48:41 PM »
FYI. From the Cleveland-Area TOD Discussion at......
http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,1977.msg597046.html#msg597046

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Boulevard Terrace Apartments, Ltd., Owner of the R-2 Residential – Non-transient; Apartments (Shared Egress Two Story Masonry Property appeals from a NOTICE OF VIOLA-TION—INTERIOR/EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE, dated May 11, 2011; appellant states that they are in the process of assembling and closing the financing for a total rehab of the property; that on March 30, 2011, PNC Bank issued a signed letter of intent to invest a total of approximately $9.8 million as the low income and federal historic tax credit investor in this project and in a “sister” project (Boulevard Terrace Apartments) in a multi-million dollar redevelopment of the two projects. All items listed in the Notice of Violation will be addressed as part of the total rehab.
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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2012, 09:57:57 PM »
I can't believe the City actually filed a notice of violation for interior/exterior maintenance...  what a novel idea.   the project manager said the interiors were the worst living conditions he's ever seen and should've been torn down completely.  He said the conditions were much worse than the CMHA Garden Valley Kinsman or Valley View Tremont projects which were torn down.  And this is how the city lets a "historic landmark" development be maintained...

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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2012, 10:10:24 PM »
Oh I can believe it. This is about as "secret" a project I've seen in a long time and the building inspector apparently didn't know about it either. Try and find anything about this project in Google searches. There's nothing except for what we've all posted here at UO. The councilwoman is one of the people I regularly talk with in the course of my freelance work for Sun Newspapers, and she never says anything about it. Also no one at RTA seemed to know this project was coming. They pointed to those abandoned buildings on the south side of Detroit Avenue as how little Cleveland cares about developing around transit. That's the kind of woe-is-me quitter crap that drives me nuts.

In 2008 I conducted public meetings funded by the city and sponsored by three CDCs -- Ohio City/Near West, Detroit-Shoreway, and Cudell -- to gather public input on station-area development ideas at the West 117th, West Boulevard, West 65th and Ohio City stations. Those findings were then provided to the CDCs, the city and GCRTA for several upcoming studies (West Shore Corridor Transportation Project, Walworth Run trail plan, West 117th commercial corridor plan, etc). A number of developers attended these meetings and got some good followup brainstorming between them, the CDCs, council people, city planners and GCRTA. But it was a terrible time to pursue private financing for anything with the depths of the recession only months away.
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2012, 07:31:44 AM »
There's another group of apartments east on Detroit from here that Marous is doing as well...I tried researching it to see plans and as others said on this one, there's nothing online.

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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2012, 08:02:05 AM »
Im not getting too excited about this project.  I assume the same slum landlords will be running the show and it wont help the neighborhood much

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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2012, 08:14:17 AM »
The neighborhood as a whole is sorely in need of an updated master plan.

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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2012, 08:24:21 AM »
Im not getting too excited about this project.  I assume the same slum landlords will be running the show and it wont help the neighborhood much

It will improve life drastically for residents of Boulevard and Neal Terraces. It will also improve the exteriors (masonary cleaning, great new porches, etc.), so I see it as a win.

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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2012, 08:31:38 AM »
So do I. It's not a huge win, but anything that freshens up an area by replacing/repairing decaying fixtures, roofs, load-bearing structures of historic buildings is a good thing. If no attention was paid to these buildings in the next 5-15 years, I'm afraid they would be goners.

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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2012, 09:24:17 AM »
^Totally agree.  I'm really excited to see this project happen.  Thanks for the great shots Clueless!
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2012, 09:53:49 AM »
I'm really happy to see these handsome, Eastern-style, high-density buildings getting fixed up.  The area seems like it has much potential and that, in its day, was a decent even quality neighborhood -- I've always wondered about that long-shuddered (Italian?) restaurant across from the Rapid station.

I'm certainly not against low-income people, but I guess I'm a little leery about this rehab being for mainly low-income folks.  If a quality owner/manager isn't brought in to these "new" buildings, who's to say we won't be right back here in another 15-20 years.  And if that's the case, this pivotal neighborhood will not really be progressing but, rather, will have only been "healed" with a band-aid ... Why are we not capable of developing serious high-density, market rate TOD?  Rather than wring their hands, it would be nice to see RTA (for once) take a seriously proactive stance about developing smart, high-density living adjacent to its highest-capacity transit line: the Red Line... The Chicle development just on the other side of the NS bridge (which is a tad more isolated b/c of the RR bridge) has market rate apts; ... why not here?
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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2012, 10:03:37 AM »
how man units is this?

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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2012, 10:06:48 AM »
I'm really happy to see these handsome, Eastern-style, high-density buildings getting fixed up.  The area seems like it has much potential and that, in its day, was a decent even quality neighborhood -- I've always wondered about that long-shuddered (Italian?) restaurant across from the Rapid station.

I'm certainly not against low-income people, but I guess I'm a little leery about this rehab being for mainly low-income folks.  If a quality owner/manager isn't brought in to these "new" buildings, who's to say we won't be right back here in another 15-20 years.  And if that's the case, this pivotal neighborhood will not really be progressing but, rather, will have only been "healed" with a band-aid ... Why are we not capable of developing serious high-density, market rate TOD?  Rather than wring their hands, it would be nice to see RTA (for once) take a seriously proactive stance about developing smart, high-density living adjacent to its highest-capacity transit line: the Red Line... The Chicle development just on the other side of the NS bridge (which is a tad more isolated b/c of the RR bridge) has market rate apts; ... why not here?


My thoughts exactly.  They can rebuild them up and make them look pretty, but with mistreatment and lack of lovin' they will be right back here in no time.

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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2012, 10:43:16 AM »
I think the city should ask itself if Detroit Ave really needs to be seven (!!) lanes wide ride there.
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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2012, 11:03:42 AM »
I think the city should ask itself if Detroit Ave really needs to be seven (!!) lanes wide ride there.

Agreed.  The City would be wise to engage some traffic calming like lane narrowing.  There are a series of very frustrating traffic lights, including that at Berea Rd.

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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2012, 11:07:03 AM »

There's another group of apartments east on Detroit from here that Marous is doing as well...I tried researching it to see plans and as others said on this one, there's nothing online.

I also took a  couple shots of these.
They're around W. 87th or 90th, cant remember...& Detroit.
That would be Detroit-Shoreway? Or still Cudell?

EDIT: yes, I agree, Detroit is way too wide there

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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2012, 05:58:40 PM »

There's another group of apartments east on Detroit from here that Marous is doing as well...I tried researching it to see plans and as others said on this one, there's nothing online.

I also took a  couple shots of these.
They're around W. 87th or 90th, cant remember...& Detroit.
That would be Detroit-Shoreway? Or still Cudell?

EDIT: yes, I agree, Detroit is way too wide there



That is a major route for commuters looking to miss the Innerbelt Bridge construction.   I don't see Detroit being narrowed there anytime soon.
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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2012, 06:13:50 PM »

It seems like these terrace row houses sit just inside Detroit-Shoreway, around the 8700 block between Detroit Ave and a 'no-outlet' extension of Franklin Ave. They're situated almost just like the Cudell terrace rows...facing each other, etc.


This side looks almost done




Same side but at the Franklin end






The work is just beginning on the oppposite set of rows




Same row but at the Franklin end (not yet started)




The alley between this just-starting side and yet another stretch of rowhouses




The front entrances of the neighboring rowhouses. Maybe these will be renovated soon?





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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2012, 06:18:34 PM »
^ Are these also low income?

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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2012, 07:01:16 PM »
^ i would assume.  Correct me if im wrong.  If you are a young professional, are you going to spend market rate on those?

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« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2012, 08:15:23 PM »
Depends on what they are doing to them.

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« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2012, 08:18:50 PM »
The other group of apartments is probably Detroit Shoreway. Many of the western commuters into downtown get off at West Blvd and go via 2.  The daily line of cars is comical.  I lived in that area prior to the Innerbelt construction, so I'm sure it's even more crazy now.

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« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2012, 09:00:47 PM »
Im not getting too excited about this project.  I assume the same slum landlords will be running the show and it wont help the neighborhood much

It's a very rare slum landlord who will invest millions of dollars and navigate the expensive/time consuming/difficult LIHTC and Historic Preservation Tax Credit programs to renovate a building.

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« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2012, 09:03:21 PM »
They are using Pella Windows...that doesn't sound very slumish hahaha

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« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2012, 09:07:20 PM »
Im not getting too excited about this project.  I assume the same slum landlords will be running the show and it wont help the neighborhood much

It's a very rare slum landlord who will invest millions of dollars and navigate the expensive/time consuming/difficult LIHTC and Historic Preservation Tax Credit programs to renovate a building.

Very, very true.

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« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2012, 06:07:52 AM »
^ If you are a young professional, are you going to spend market rate on those?

If you are a young professional you likely wouldnt live in that neighborhood!
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« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2012, 06:44:07 AM »
^ If you are a young professional, are you going to spend market rate on those?

If you are a young professional you likely wouldnt live in that neighborhood!

That is what I was hinting at.  If you are going to spend market rates on living space, i would venture to say the majority of folks will not pick that area.  Im not speaking of Detroit-Shoreway as a whole, just where these units are located.

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« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2012, 06:53:35 AM »

At least they're getting some TLC. That increases the chances that they'll be around maybe for a future wave of gentrification.
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« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2012, 06:56:23 AM »
^ i would assume.  Correct me if im wrong.  If you are a young professional, are you going to spend market rate on those?

Why would you say that without knowing all the details?
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« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2012, 07:37:16 AM »
This has been moved over to the West Blvd. thread.  This is definitely not Detroit Shoreway.

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« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2012, 08:06:59 AM »
Im not getting too excited about this project.  I assume the same slum landlords will be running the show and it wont help the neighborhood much

It's a very rare slum landlord who will invest millions of dollars and navigate the expensive/time consuming/difficult LIHTC and Historic Preservation Tax Credit programs to renovate a building.

It's free money from the government in the form of tax credits so spending a little money upfront to get the credits means the project will be a cash cow for at least another 15 yrs as low income rentals.  And using Pella windows doesn't mean jack squat either.

The Italian restaurant on the corner hasn't been vacant that long, maybe a year & half.  It was on the market for sale prior to that but was open & active up until 3 yrs ago.  I'm sure the owner got zero interest considering it's surrounded by low income apartments.  It's too bad, a friend of mine used to be chef there.

There was actually a planning study done to narrow Detroit down in that very area to make it easier for pedestrians to cross.  I think it was posted somewhere on the City planning website under neighborhood plans...

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« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2012, 08:51:04 AM »
It's free money....if you take the time and have the not inconsiderable expertise to get it.  I don't know many slum landlords that do.  Completing the LIHTC application process isn't like filling out an application for a summer job, the application ends up being 2 inches thick by the time one is completed (to give some sense of the complexity and amount of work that has to be done).  It certainly could be a slum landlord who is doing this, but I doubt it.  So does anyone actually know anything about the people who are redeveloping this property?  Or are we all just assuming?

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« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2012, 08:58:20 AM »
I already noted up thread that the developer is the Ferchill group, I've worked with them before and they are no slum landlord, nor are they amateurs in anyway.  I know what it takes to apply for LIHTC's and historic tax credits and Ferchill has plenty of accountants and architects and other experienced professionals who can handle it.

I never made a comment about the project being owned or managed by a slum landlord, but just that it was disappointing the entire site was going back as low income housing after the renovation. 

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« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2012, 09:51:55 AM »
This has been moved over to the West Blvd. thread.  This is definitely not Detroit Shoreway.

The redevelopment at 8700 Detroit Ave is actually Cudell -- barely. If it was one block east, it would be in Detroit-Shoreway.....

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« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2012, 12:10:27 PM »
I never made a comment about the project being owned or managed by a slum landlord, but just that it was disappointing the entire site was going back as low income housing after the renovation. 

Fair enough.  Others did say "slum landlord".

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« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2012, 12:25:29 PM »

This has been moved over to the West Blvd. thread.  This is definitely not Detroit Shoreway.

I asked yesterday but got no takers. Im impressed that you definitely know (applaud)... 'cause it is literally straddling the border.
JMO though...the part of Franklin that accesses these terrace rows seems like the D-S Franklin. I think RR tracks(?) cut Franklin in two (near W. 85th).
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« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2012, 01:32:43 PM »
Ooh, that's my mistake, I thought we were just talking about the ones at West Boulevard.

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« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2012, 07:16:34 PM »

Some of the interesting apts and homes on W. 101st near the Boulevard terrace rows














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« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2012, 12:23:32 AM »
I know this sounds like I'm over-analyzing, but when an apartment building still has a glass door that's either A. still intact, or B. hasn't been replaced by a steel door, the neighborhood can't be that bad.
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« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2012, 06:05:42 AM »
I know this sounds like I'm over-analyzing, but when an apartment building still has a glass door that's either A. still intact, or B. hasn't been replaced by a steel door, the neighborhood can't be that bad.

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« Reply #46 on: August 05, 2012, 09:27:29 PM »
I am thankfull for these improvements. I grew up in these apartments. Right on Madison Ave. At the time I was living there 20+ years ago we had a sense "community" but as everyone grew up and moved on the place changed. People forgot to take pride in where they lived. No matter if you were poor or had money the Boulevard was always nice. But within the last 10-15 years the place had gone down. I know of one building that was so riddle with mold that they had to condemn it. I hope this can bring some "life" to the area. Even though I have been gone from the area for MANY years I will always have fond memories of living in that neighborhood.

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« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2012, 10:31:58 AM »
I am thankfull for these improvements. I grew up in these apartments. Right on Madison Ave. At the time I was living there 20+ years ago we had a sense "community" but as everyone grew up and moved on the place changed. People forgot to take pride in where they lived. No matter if you were poor or had money the Boulevard was always nice. But within the last 10-15 years the place had gone down. I know of one building that was so riddle with mold that they had to condemn it. I hope this can bring some "life" to the area. Even though I have been gone from the area for MANY years I will always have fond memories of living in that neighborhood.

THanks for your insights on the neighborhood. And welcome to the forum.

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« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2012, 11:24:09 AM »
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Re: Cleveland - Cudell/West Boulevard developments
« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2012, 03:15:14 AM »
Good morning to all. I've followed urban Ohio for some time and finally joined the fray.

Now correct me if I am wrong, but the renovation of the building to the west of the former Palazzo restaurant right at the corner or Berea road and Detroit is seeing some results. On the street level, one of the storefronts that was previously sealed up is now restored with pane glass and is visible inside to be a laundromat.

Encouraging sign for the neighborhood.

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« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2012, 10:45:44 AM »
Good morning to all. I've followed urban Ohio for some time and finally joined the fray.

Now correct me if I am wrong, but the renovation of the building to the west of the former Palazzo restaurant right at the corner or Berea road and Detroit is seeing some results. On the street level, one of the storefronts that was previously sealed up is now restored with pane glass and is visible inside to be a laundromat.

Encouraging sign for the neighborhood.

It's very cool to see progress, I especially like the balcony/deck they installed.

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« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2012, 11:15:55 PM »
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« Reply #52 on: August 08, 2012, 09:40:04 PM »
I've been biking through this area all summer long and it feels as an up and coming low income neighborhood with serious potential.

I even took my daughter to the Cuddell Recreation Center's pool and water park.

This neighborhood is very diverse (white, black, Hispanic) and everyone I've run into so far has been very nice and courteous.

I'm glad they are redoing these buildings and I hope for even more to happen in the neighborhood.

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« Reply #53 on: October 21, 2012, 10:29:50 AM »
I think the city should ask itself if Detroit Ave really needs to be seven (!!) lanes wide ride there.

This area is unfortunately a huge cut through at rush hour. Because the innerbelt backs up daily, many commuters take I-90 to 2 and then go up West Blvd and reconnect to 90 West and vice versa for the opposite commute. You've got a turn lane for West Blvd (that regularly is so long that it takes up the second lane), and then another turn lane for Berea Road, then two through lanes that immediately go to one at the Chicle building.

Sadly Cleveland just recently EXPANDED West Blvd northbound to 2 lanes a few weeks ago north of Detroit. They did this by removing street parking, shrinking a turn lane, and repainting stripes.

The increased cut through traffic the past 2 years has been unreal. But there's always been problem for pedestrians trying to cross at both West Blvd/Detroit intersections to get to the rapid stop. Anytime you've got a pedestrian walkway crossing a multi-lane turn you're going to get safety issues. Currently, you can only cross Detroit on the west side of West Blvd from the rapid stop, but many people will still try to cross on the east side where there are no markings.

The terrace rowhouse rehabs look really great, but I wonder how long the facades will be kept up. I'm hoping some attractive landscaping in the spring time will help. This neighborhood anywhere else would be insanely different. You have direct rail access to downtown Cleveland (11 mins) Direct access to Hopkins Airport (15 mins) direct access to Lake Erie and Edgewater Park, yes that's just 5 blocks to the north without any impediments! You have a ton of medium to high density apartments (half vacant) surrounding a rapid stop. You have a historic commercial strip. You have gorgeous tree lined streets with beautiful homes. Any 5 story or taller apartment building would have Lake Erie views here as it sits just on the secondary lake edge bluff.

Theoretically this should be one of the most desirable neighborhoods in Cleveland and if this were any other large city it would be. Yet it blows my mind how this is arguably the worst section of Detroit Avenue, and the neighborhood is not on Cleveland's long list of up an coming areas.

However, I would say that if we were to have a sudden energy crisis, that could be a huge game changer for the neighborhood. It has all the elements needed that make a neighborhood successful, it's just severely lacking investment. A sudden jolt in the price of oil and rest assured, this will be one of the first areas in Cleveland to see development, rehabs, and an influx of new residents as a sound infrastructure is already in place.

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« Reply #54 on: October 21, 2012, 11:11:21 AM »
I wonder if when the second Innerbelt bridge is built and the Innerbelt trench widened, if it will reduce traffic here as well, since that project is meant to reduce congestion amongst other things.
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« Reply #55 on: October 21, 2012, 01:16:57 PM »
It most definitely will.  Lots of people using West Blvd to cut from 90 to the Shoreway.   Once the Innerbelt is done the reduction in traffic should be very noticeable, which further supports the argument to reduce it to a boulevard and get rid of the freeway section.
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« Reply #56 on: October 21, 2012, 10:04:10 PM »
Well said, WestBLVD. Alas, I suspect the cut-through traffic is what is holding back that neighborhood. Even before the Inner Belt construction, many West Park residents heading to downtown came this way, via Triskett-Berea-Detroit-West Blvd-Baltic-Shoreway. A little traffic calming on Detroit Avenue in the vicinity of the Rapid station could do wonders. Even a landscaped median like on Bagley Road near Baldwin-Wallace University in Berea would help a lot.
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« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2012, 10:57:10 PM »
^^^WestBLVD, I totally agree with you and, as Bill Clinton would say: feel your pain.  It is frustrating why a neighborhood with so many pluses has basically been left to go to seed... The good news, of course, is that developers like the Marouses are nibbling at the edges; rehabbing these beautiful old row/terrace buildings in the area (including those next to the Rapid tracks on the opposite side of the lot where the demolished factory was).  You've got Chicle on the other side of the RR tracks, with Edgewater, on one flank and Detroit Shoreway on the other.  You'd have to believe spillover is going to positively affect Cudell at some point.

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« Reply #58 on: October 22, 2012, 11:45:14 AM »
The apartment renovation at West and Madison looks great! There seems to slowly be more investment into the neighborhood, but as stated, the walkability can be terrible!

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« Reply #59 on: October 22, 2012, 12:21:37 PM »
^the entire front side of this development is along Madison, which has excellent walkability.  Too bad it's all rundown storefronts & pawnshops....

The railroad tracks, both Norfolk Southern & the RTA tracks, really sever this neighborhood from the rest of the Edgewater area.  Going on the north side of the tracks by Baltic, you're back to solid single family homes and decent neighborhoods...

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« Reply #60 on: October 22, 2012, 12:25:17 PM »
^the entire front side of this development is along Madison, which has excellent walkability.  Too bad it's all rundown storefronts & pawnshops....

The railroad tracks, both Norfolk Southern & the RTA tracks, really sever this neighborhood from the rest of the Edgewater area.  Going on the north side of the tracks by Baltic, you're back to solid single family homes and decent neighborhoods...

Right but all that single family along the tracks between the tracks and Detroit could use a boost.

And that stretch of Detroit going East from West Blvd. to Lake (and south of Detroit) is no bargain either.

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« Reply #61 on: October 22, 2012, 04:15:32 PM »
The north Cudell area is definitely a rough spot that needs to be redeveloped in order for the west side neighborhoods to attain some cohesiveness. Right now this area is basically a pocket of ghetto between the the stable Lakewood/Edgewater area and the up-and-coming Detroit-Shoreway area.

I think it will take some larger scale developments with vision to turn this area around since people and businesses will have more confidence in numbers. Some Battery Park type infill in the triangle shaped area located south of Detroit, north of the RTA tracks, and west of 85th Street would be a good start.

Taking things a step further, I would really like to see a new Red Line stop at 85th Street just north of Madison along with new mixed used buildings and townhomes (built along and north of Madison between W 98th and W. 65th). This would be a great TOD spot! Unfortunately I doubt this is something I will ever see happen, nor is it something the City of Cleveland and the RTA would have the vision to proactively explore.
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« Reply #62 on: October 22, 2012, 06:27:51 PM »
we should build up around the west/detroit intersection at the RTA stop, like other cities do.  Start with the easy transport spots.

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« Reply #63 on: October 22, 2012, 07:24:08 PM »
we should build up around the west/detroit intersection at the RTA stop, like other cities do.  Start with the easy transport spots.

I would like to see the West/Detroit area built up with TOD as well, but given the street width and traffic flow I don't think it will be an easy task or an easy sell to the community. Sadly this intersection has been screwed up by accommodating the automobile, and I'm sure there would be opposition to narrowing Detroit Ave and slowing down traffic. The West Blvd stop also does not flow very well into the surrounding neighborhoods due to the railroad and street layouts. I would bet the West Blvd stop was put there because it was a cheap place to put it and it could accommodated parking and bus connections.

W. 85th and Madison on the other hand blends right into an existing residential neighborhood and it would make for a very good pedestrian corridor (some commercial buildings already exist here). I know there is the cost of building a new Red Line stop here, but if you're going to restructure the West/Detroit intersection to make it TOD then it would also require a new station to make it more pedestrian oriented.

Anyway, I think both of these stations could be justifiable since they're about 1/2 mile apart which is pretty typical for urban rail station spacing. I'm not saying that the West Blvd station should go away.

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« Reply #64 on: October 23, 2012, 02:42:45 PM »
^well not ALL over town.  Some places still need to sit in decline for a few decades till appropriate population and demand warrant redevelopment....  I think at least 1 main artery on the west side like Detroit would be supported though. 

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« Reply #65 on: October 23, 2012, 02:45:09 PM »
Well, it isn't NOT a Cudell development. 

What do the intersections accomplish?  Allow people to cross the roadway?  They already can.  Allow people to drive to the Edgewater Park?  They already can.  Sounds like a lot of money and a lot of hassle to trim a couple minutes off those journeys.  What Cudell and Edgewater both need is direct investment in TOD.  The T- part of the TOD already exists in these neighborhoods, so we need to start targeting our spending on the -D instead.  Meanwhile there are other areas that need new transit or new roads or both.   Seems like the argument behind the shoreway converison amounts to "forget all that, because Boulevard Vibrant Greenspace!"

One word.  Livability.

KJP and some others have mentioned reducing the freight traffic and the eventual removal of the Main Ave Bridge.   All this would tie together to expand the green space and attract residents.   

I don't disagree with TOD or beautifying Detroit Ave, but they won't increase the livability of the area.   You don't see young people flocking to live along Euclid Ave (at least between E 30th and E 105). 

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« Reply #66 on: October 23, 2012, 07:10:22 PM »
The Shoreway Conversion and 'Sim City' posts have been removed; this thread is for discussion of *actual* construction (or at the very least, serious proposals) in Cudell/West Boulevard. If you want to create a thread about "Ideas to Improve Cudell/West Blvd", start one in the City Discussions section.

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« Reply #68 on: July 19, 2013, 11:20:58 AM »
I noticed the Palazzo is up for sale.  Sign says "own a Cleveland Landmark" (or something to that effect).
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« Reply #69 on: July 19, 2013, 12:25:25 PM »
^^ I think Marous did an amazing job on those porch-balconies. I asked my friend (Marous employee) if he do the same design for my place. He said it would be way out of my price range.

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« Reply #70 on: January 24, 2014, 09:53:32 PM »
From today's Cudell Snippets email newsletter........

Public Meeting Tonight on West Blvd. & Clifton Residential Development

The redevelopment of a vacant plot of land on the southwest corner of West Blvd. and Clifton Blvd. will be discussed tonight at 6:30 PM at Cudell Recreation Center by Councilwoman Dona Brady and developer Mark Kearny.  Located in the Clifton Boulevard and West Boulevard Historic District, the highly desirable location has been the site of several buildings over the years.  The public is invited.

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« Reply #71 on: January 26, 2014, 01:00:13 AM »
So what I heard was:

A conncected building with one entrance facing West Blvd. and one entrance facing Clifton made to look like local housing stock.  Each will have an underground garage.  Need  a zoning variance to combine the two parcels.  They are not presold and the developer is looking to begin construction asap.  2400 sq/ft each expected starting price to be 350k.

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« Reply #72 on: January 27, 2014, 09:53:42 PM »
So what I heard was:

A conncected building with one entrance facing West Blvd. and one entrance facing Clifton made to look like local housing stock.  Each will have an underground garage.  Need  a zoning variance to combine the two parcels.  They are not presold and the developer is looking to begin construction asap.  2400 sq/ft each expected starting price to be 350k.

I assume this be on the NW corner of Clifton/West Blvd, all other corners are "occupied."
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« Reply #73 on: January 27, 2014, 09:59:15 PM »
SW corner.


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« Reply #74 on: January 27, 2014, 10:02:47 PM »
SW corner.


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« Reply #75 on: January 28, 2014, 06:18:44 PM »
Aren't these townhouses the same style as the ones selling for over $200,000 in the Detroit Shoreway area? They are more energy efficient due to shared walls, have less upkeep than a large lot house.  From what I have been reading, this is the type of home that young adults and empty nesters are looking for.  I think this area around Cudell and West Blvd., will be sought after soon.  There is also supposed  to be some transit oriented development near W.116th and Madison. It will be an apartment building for people 55 and over. It could be the beginning of more development in that area.

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« Reply #76 on: January 28, 2014, 06:31:04 PM »
Aren't these townhouses the same style as the ones selling for over $200,000 in the Detroit Shoreway area? They are more energy efficient due to shared walls, have less upkeep than a large lot house.  From what I have been reading, this is the type of home that young adults and empty nesters are looking for.  I think this area around Cudell and West Blvd., will be sought after soon.  There is also supposed  to be some transit oriented development near W.116th and Madison. It will be an apartment building for people 55 and over. It could be the beginning of more development in that area.

I've heard some noise about that Madison-West 116th. That would be awesome. I think that area offers the best TOD opportunity outside of UC and Ohio City.
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« Reply #77 on: January 28, 2014, 06:45:16 PM »
What is the obsession with senior housing in that area?
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« Reply #78 on: January 28, 2014, 07:00:22 PM »
^ My guess?  Easy tax credits.  They are low income qualified and the units cost less to maintain with seniors in them. 

I guess IF the rents supported a Market Rate development they would do it and I'm guessing Lakewood tax rates are one of many other impediments.


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« Reply #79 on: January 28, 2014, 07:00:45 PM »
What is the obsession with senior housing in that area?

What other senior housing exists? I can only think of three other large senior apartment buildings nearby -- Fedor Manor at 12400 Madison Ave., Kirby Manor at 11500 Detroit Ave., and Clifton Plaza, 11430 Clifton Blvd. Consider the population density of this area, I'm surprised there aren't more. And considering the increasing retirements of the Baby Boomers, the demand for senior housing is only going to grow more. If it is built next to Rapid stations along with other basic retail/supportive services, then I'm all for it!
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« Reply #80 on: January 28, 2014, 08:29:29 PM »
At the annual Cudell/Edgewater CDC meeting this month, this project was presented as a T.O.D. I am in this demographic and welcome more of this type of housing. For anyone interested, there is a preview and open house coming up. This is from Cudell Snippets email newsletter:

NRP Group to Share Senior Residential Housing Plans on January 29th

Cudell Improvement, Inc. will host an Open House so interested parties  may view the preliminary plans for a proposed senior housing building at the corner of West 116 and Madison Avenue on Wednesday, January 29 from 11 AM - 1 PM at 9815 Lorain Avenue.  The public is welcome.


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« Reply #81 on: January 28, 2014, 08:35:13 PM »
Which corner?  They all appear to be built out.

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« Reply #82 on: January 28, 2014, 08:39:20 PM »
I plan to stop by tomorrow and will post when I find out more. 

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« Reply #83 on: January 29, 2014, 03:24:56 AM »
I am guess it's the NE corner. Several properties changed hands here in 2010, acquired by Eyad Al Faleh of 10301 Lake Ave #425, CLEVELAND. He appears to be the owner of a company called Phone Express.  http://efile.mpsc.state.mi.us/efile/docs/14475/0005.pdf

There is also a property at the NE corner, owned by Siranoush Alajajian, which he bought in 2009. It's a small 0.06-acre property for a glass block company zoned for semi-industry but the 2020 Citywide Plan Land Use Plan for this property shows multi-family. Yet it is surrounded by the Eyad Al Faleh properties which are zoned semi-industry and the land use plan proposes to continue that.
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« Reply #84 on: January 29, 2014, 10:49:42 PM »
DeanSheen, you are right about the tax credits. The apartments will be one and two bedroom units going renting for $500 and $700 per month.  Tenants must qualify based on age, income and asset limits. I looked at the drawing at the meeting and it appears the building  will be on the Northwest corner with the entrance facing W.116th with parking in back. The website does say W. 117th and Madison, but the drawing at the meeting showed the front of the building facing W.116th.

The developer thinks there is a market for this type of housing in the area. I'd really like to see more buildings with retail on the first floor and apartments or condos on the upper floors similar to what is being built around Cleveland State University. This development does not include retail.

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« Reply #85 on: January 29, 2014, 10:58:33 PM »
Far from great, but far better than what's there.  As for retail, I think we need to be strategic about where it goes- it needs a lot of traffic, and it needs to be located close enough to other retail to make for critical mass.  I don't know that W. 116th/Madison counts, though W.117th and Madison is a different case.

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« Reply #86 on: January 29, 2014, 11:24:56 PM »
Yes, it is better than nothing.  Has anyone else read "The End of the Suburbs" by Leigh Gallagher? If she is right, I think we will see some more market demand for denser housing near transit soon in Cleveland.

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« Reply #87 on: January 30, 2014, 03:37:55 PM »
Yes, it is better than nothing.  Has anyone else read "The End of the Suburbs" by Leigh Gallagher? If she is right, I think we will see some more market demand for denser housing near transit soon in Cleveland.

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« Reply #88 on: August 05, 2014, 10:56:08 AM »
I think the city should ask itself if Detroit Ave really needs to be seven (!!) lanes wide ride there.

This area is unfortunately a huge cut through at rush hour. Because the innerbelt backs up daily, many commuters take I-90 to 2 and then go up West Blvd and reconnect to 90 West and vice versa for the opposite commute. You've got a turn lane for West Blvd (that regularly is so long that it takes up the second lane), and then another turn lane for Berea Road, then two through lanes that immediately go to one at the Chicle building.

Sadly Cleveland just recently EXPANDED West Blvd northbound to 2 lanes a few weeks ago north of Detroit. They did this by removing street parking, shrinking a turn lane, and repainting stripes.

The increased cut through traffic the past 2 years has been unreal. But there's always been problem for pedestrians trying to cross at both West Blvd/Detroit intersections to get to the rapid stop. Anytime you've got a pedestrian walkway crossing a multi-lane turn you're going to get safety issues. Currently, you can only cross Detroit on the west side of West Blvd from the rapid stop, but many people will still try to cross on the east side where there are no markings.

The terrace rowhouse rehabs look really great, but I wonder how long the facades will be kept up. I'm hoping some attractive landscaping in the spring time will help. This neighborhood anywhere else would be insanely different. You have direct rail access to downtown Cleveland (11 mins) Direct access to Hopkins Airport (15 mins) direct access to Lake Erie and Edgewater Park, yes that's just 5 blocks to the north without any impediments! You have a ton of medium to high density apartments (half vacant) surrounding a rapid stop. You have a historic commercial strip. You have gorgeous tree lined streets with beautiful homes. Any 5 story or taller apartment building would have Lake Erie views here as it sits just on the secondary lake edge bluff.

Theoretically this should be one of the most desirable neighborhoods in Cleveland and if this were any other large city it would be. Yet it blows my mind how this is arguably the worst section of Detroit Avenue, and the neighborhood is not on Cleveland's long list of up an coming areas.

However, I would say that if we were to have a sudden energy crisis, that could be a huge game changer for the neighborhood. It has all the elements needed that make a neighborhood successful, it's just severely lacking investment. A sudden jolt in the price of oil and rest assured, this will be one of the first areas in Cleveland to see development, rehabs, and an influx of new residents as a sound infrastructure is already in place.

Just happened going through the older posts, and feel this one bears repeating... Just recently drove around the Cuddel neighborhood during the 4th holiday and was pleased to see it's slow but steady improvement.  Marous Bros' rehab of the old 1890s-built Oppmann Terraces along West Blvd (with 116 total units!!) has lifted those sagging, but amazing buildings considerably (I noted a laundromat in the Detroit facade of the buildings) and, at the south end, a new-ish CVS (I hadn't noticed before) a block away on Madison Ave, seems to have kinda pumped a little life in this sadly blighted, yet still beautiful (architecturally), dense neighborhood... note: there's a really cool old Philly style short row house directly across from the CVS.  I share WestBlvd's sentiment that this area seems to have a ton going for it as an urban, walkable, transit friendly (and hell, BEACH friendly) neighborhood.  I just hope and pray it'll get there.
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« Reply #89 on: August 05, 2014, 11:41:02 AM »
I think the city should ask itself if Detroit Ave really needs to be seven (!!) lanes wide ride there.

This area is unfortunately a huge cut through at rush hour. Because the innerbelt backs up daily, many commuters take I-90 to 2 and then go up West Blvd and reconnect to 90 West and vice versa for the opposite commute. You've got a turn lane for West Blvd (that regularly is so long that it takes up the second lane), and then another turn lane for Berea Road, then two through lanes that immediately go to one at the Chicle building.

Sadly Cleveland just recently EXPANDED West Blvd northbound to 2 lanes a few weeks ago north of Detroit. They did this by removing street parking, shrinking a turn lane, and repainting stripes.

The increased cut through traffic the past 2 years has been unreal. But there's always been problem for pedestrians trying to cross at both West Blvd/Detroit intersections to get to the rapid stop. Anytime you've got a pedestrian walkway crossing a multi-lane turn you're going to get safety issues. Currently, you can only cross Detroit on the west side of West Blvd from the rapid stop, but many people will still try to cross on the east side where there are no markings.

The terrace rowhouse rehabs look really great, but I wonder how long the facades will be kept up. I'm hoping some attractive landscaping in the spring time will help. This neighborhood anywhere else would be insanely different. You have direct rail access to downtown Cleveland (11 mins) Direct access to Hopkins Airport (15 mins) direct access to Lake Erie and Edgewater Park, yes that's just 5 blocks to the north without any impediments! You have a ton of medium to high density apartments (half vacant) surrounding a rapid stop. You have a historic commercial strip. You have gorgeous tree lined streets with beautiful homes. Any 5 story or taller apartment building would have Lake Erie views here as it sits just on the secondary lake edge bluff.

Theoretically this should be one of the most desirable neighborhoods in Cleveland and if this were any other large city it would be. Yet it blows my mind how this is arguably the worst section of Detroit Avenue, and the neighborhood is not on Cleveland's long list of up an coming areas.

However, I would say that if we were to have a sudden energy crisis, that could be a huge game changer for the neighborhood. It has all the elements needed that make a neighborhood successful, it's just severely lacking investment. A sudden jolt in the price of oil and rest assured, this will be one of the first areas in Cleveland to see development, rehabs, and an influx of new residents as a sound infrastructure is already in place.

Just happened going through the older posts, and feel this one bears repeating... Was just recently drove around the Cuddel neighborhood during the 4th holiday and was pleased to see it's slow but steady improvement.  Marous Bros' rehab of the old 1890s-built Oppmann Terraces along West Blvd (with 116 total units!!) has lifted those sagging, but amazing buildings considerably (I noted a laundromat in the Detroit facade of the buildings) and, at the south end, a new-ish CVS (I hadn't noticed before) a block away on Madison Ave, seems to have kinda pumped a little life in this sadly blighted, yet still beautiful (architecturally), dense neighborhood... note: there's a really cool old Philly style short row house directly across from the CVS.  I share WestBlvd's sentiment that this area seems to have a ton going for it as an urban, walkable, transit friendly (and hell, BEACH friendly) neighborhood.  I just hope and pray it'll get there.
If things continue for the city the way they have been the last couple of years, I completely see that happening. The lower price-point neighborhoods will be the next rehabs as it gets more expensive in DS and OC. Cudell has as much (or more) potential as Clark-Fulton and Brooklyn Center.

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« Reply #90 on: August 05, 2014, 11:55:22 AM »
^That gives me hope JJames... and again, I think little things (my term), like that CVS on Madison are actually big things, for they pump life into a decayed area.  That stretch of Madison, which really has some of Cleveland's most unique and beautiful high-density/residential and mixed use architecture, for too long has had that 'badlands' moniker attached to it.

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« Reply #91 on: August 05, 2014, 11:57:58 AM »
I agree. I plan to focus on redeveloping properties around the city so I've been trying to do as much research as I can to actually make money doing it as well haha.

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« Reply #92 on: August 05, 2014, 12:02:25 PM »
I'd love to see the WestBlvd, Desmond, Lake, Detroit area get gentrified.


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« Reply #93 on: August 05, 2014, 12:04:25 PM »
I guess I'm just not as hopeful for the area. There are still hundreds of acres of industrial land just sitting idle.

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« Reply #94 on: December 09, 2014, 03:07:24 PM »
This new house is proposed to be built on the vacant parcel at the SW corner of Clifton and West Boulevard.....

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« Reply #95 on: December 09, 2014, 05:20:13 PM »
Interesting--I thought it was supposed to be town homes there.
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« Reply #96 on: December 09, 2014, 05:28:28 PM »
Interesting--I thought it was supposed to be town homes there.

So did I.
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« Reply #97 on: December 10, 2014, 11:31:18 AM »
Interesting--I thought it was supposed to be town homes there.

So did I.

There was a public meeting at Alcott months ago about this.

Never were going to be townhomes.

They require a variance so that they dont have to build 2 homes on that lot.  The proposal is to have 2 homes, one facing each street, with a common wall.


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« Reply #98 on: December 10, 2014, 11:32:16 AM »
Interesting--I thought it was supposed to be town homes there.

So did I.

There was a public meeting at Alcott months ago about this.

Never were going to be townhomes.

They require a variance so that they dont have to build 2 homes on that lot.  The proposal is to have 2 homes, one facing each street, with a common wall.

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« Reply #99 on: December 10, 2014, 11:32:59 AM »
So that drawing above is for two residential units? If so and they're connected by a common wall, sounds like townhouses to me!
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« Reply #100 on: December 10, 2014, 12:06:29 PM »
So that drawing above is for two residential units? If so and they're connected by a common wall, sounds like townhouses to me!

I'm just telling you what was reported. I forget what the terminology for the structure was.

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« Reply #101 on: March 17, 2015, 12:27:11 PM »
See above for a graphic of this development. They are moving forward....

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Calendar No. 15-048: 1262 West Boulevard Ward 11
Dona Brady
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F.W. Pinard Building Co., owner, proposes to erect a 55’x42’ frame fee simple single family residence
with attached garage in an A1 One-Family Residential District. The owner appeals for relief from the
strict application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances:
1. Section 357.06(a) which states that the required front yard setback is 45 feet and 30 feet are
proposed.
2. Section 357.09(2)(B) which states that no building shall be erected less than 10 feet from a
main building on an adjoining lot within a Residence District; 0’ and 33’-3” are proposed.
Interior side yard shall not be less than one fourth the height of the main building on the same
premises of 8’-6”; the appellant is proposing 33’-3” and 0’. The total width of the side yards
on the same premises shall not be less than 10’ and 0’ and 33’-3” are proposed. (Filed March
4, 2015)
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Calendar No. 15-049: 10011 Clifton Boulevard Ward 11
Dona Brady
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F.W. Pinard Building Co., owner, proposes to erect a 55’x42’ frame fee simple single family residence
with attached garage in an A1 One-Family Residential District. The owner appeals for relief from the
strict application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances:
3. Section 357.06(a) which states that the required front yard setback is 45 feet and 30 feet are
proposed.
4. Section 357.09(2)(B) which states that no building shall be erected less than 10 feet from a
main building on an adjoining lot within a Residence District; 0’ and 37’-11” are proposed.
Interior side yard shall not be less than one fourth the height of the main building on the same
premises of 8’-6”; the appellant is proposing 37’-3” and 0’. The total width of the side yards
on the same premises shall not be less than 10’ and 0’ and 33’-3” are proposed. (Filed March
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« Reply #102 on: November 20, 2015, 11:08:45 AM »
How Cudell park has changed in the year since the shooting of Tamir Rice: https://t.co/WbZ9k5WU7X https://t.co/83vw2ATkvb
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« Reply #103 on: November 20, 2015, 12:41:05 PM »
I don't see how this is development news?

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« Reply #104 on: November 20, 2015, 12:44:38 PM »
The article notes the park was/is being restored.
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« Reply #105 on: November 20, 2015, 12:49:54 PM »
This?

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« Reply #106 on: November 20, 2015, 12:51:03 PM »
No. EDIT: shouldn't we be having this conversation in PM?
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« Reply #107 on: March 15, 2016, 02:11:40 PM »
What an awful location for the new city kennel. Someday, Cleveland is going to institute a planning rule that no developments should be built within 1,000 feet of a rail transit station unless a reputable market analysis shows it can contribute X passengers to that station per day. I'm pretty sure that the following development would fail that test, even if the minimum number of passengers was one....

http://www.sustainablecleveland.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/URS-CLE-Kennel-9007-Detroit-Ave-Site4-GG-2-6.pdf

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« Reply #108 on: March 15, 2016, 02:50:14 PM »
^Seems like a wasted opportunity, but the walk to the West Blvd Station isn't that great. The location is weird and this area has a weird layout.

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« Reply #109 on: March 15, 2016, 03:02:13 PM »
^Seems like a wasted opportunity, but the walk to the West Blvd Station isn't that great. The location is weird and this area has a weird layout.

It's a straight shot west on Detroit Avenue. A 5-minute walk in a pedestrian-friendly setting. Granted it's at the outer edge of the 5-minute walking range of a station hinterland. But it's such a big parcel in a neighborhood that I had much higher hopes for it than this. Even a retailer/light industry/warehousing site would be preferable to the city kennel. Are there other city kennels or is this it? If so, how is this centrally located?
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« Reply #110 on: March 15, 2016, 03:08:50 PM »
This is the old Trinity site, no?

I know the info is out there, but does anyone know off-hand the current environmental status of the property and whether it's city-owned?
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« Reply #111 on: March 15, 2016, 03:12:41 PM »
^Seems like a wasted opportunity, but the walk to the West Blvd Station isn't that great. The location is weird and this area has a weird layout.

It's a straight shot west on Detroit Avenue. A 5-minute walk in a pedestrian-friendly setting. Granted it's at the outer edge of the 5-minute walking range of a station hinterland. But it's such a big parcel in a neighborhood that I had much higher hopes for it than this. Even a retailer/light industry/warehousing site would be preferable to the city kennel. Are there other city kennels or is this it? If so, how is this centrally located?

KJP, I'm a little surprised that you didn't know about this earlier ;) This site has been floated as the next kennel for a couple years.... The current Kennel is adjacent to Clark Fields, on West 7th - http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/untitled-map_76353

straphangar, at work atm, but iirc, it is a city site and was remediated.
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« Reply #112 on: March 15, 2016, 03:17:00 PM »
It's a straight shot west on Detroit Avenue. A 5-minute walk in a pedestrian-friendly setting. Granted it's at the outer edge of the 5-minute walking range of a station hinterland. But it's such a big parcel in a neighborhood that I had much higher hopes for it than this. Even a retailer/light industry/warehousing site would be preferable to the city kennel. Are there other city kennels or is this it? If so, how is this centrally located?
Pedestrian friendly? I disagree. You would have to cross Detroit and West Blvd, and with those generous curb cuts that is not that pleasant. I suppose you could walk down Detroit, past Cudell Rec, cross West Blvd, and then cross the widest section of Detroit, but then you have to walk through a parking lot/bus cul-de-sac. That's not a pleasant walk either.

*Edited to add: Plus the lanes are super wide here and traffic speeds by.
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« Reply #113 on: March 15, 2016, 03:20:36 PM »
It's a straight shot west on Detroit Avenue. A 5-minute walk in a pedestrian-friendly setting. Granted it's at the outer edge of the 5-minute walking range of a station hinterland. But it's such a big parcel in a neighborhood that I had much higher hopes for it than this. Even a retailer/light industry/warehousing site would be preferable to the city kennel. Are there other city kennels or is this it? If so, how is this centrally located?
Pedestrian friendly? I disagree. You would have to cross Detroit and West Blvd, and with those generous curb cuts that is not that pleasant. I suppose you could walk down Detroit, past Cudell Rec, cross West Blvd, and then cross the widest section of Detroit, but then you have to walk through a parking lot/bus cul-de-sac. That's not a pleasant walk either.

*Edited to add: Plus the lanes are super wide here and traffic speeds by.

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« Reply #114 on: March 15, 2016, 03:27:24 PM »
All easily fixable with some TOD minded planning.
True, with TOD/FBC minded planning it could be fixed, but I don't have much faith in our traffic engineers.

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« Reply #115 on: March 15, 2016, 03:27:40 PM »
Detroit is an easy, narrow street to cross at West 90th. West Boulevard is a wide crossing but there's a traffic island in the middle. The intersection should be made more angular to slow down traffic regardless.

This is the old Trinity site, no?

I know the info is out there, but does anyone know off-hand the current environmental status of the property and whether it's city-owned?

Correct. The site was cleaned by the city which owns the property. The city advertised it for sale a few years ago on its own website but I've never seen it listed for sale on the commercial sites like loopnet.
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« Reply #116 on: June 02, 2016, 08:00:54 PM »
Well, at least it will be on the street. But what a waste of land so close to a rail station. Very few jobs. No housing. No retail. so no interaction with a high-density transit corridor. Just in case we're wondering why our rail system is so lightly used and will continue to be until we stop doing the following....

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« Reply #117 on: June 02, 2016, 09:19:41 PM »
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« Reply #118 on: June 02, 2016, 09:36:59 PM »
What a huge waste of space. Why does the city continue to let Cleveland to be rebuilt in this fashion.

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« Reply #119 on: June 02, 2016, 11:43:13 PM »
A vacant lot is better than this.

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« Reply #120 on: June 03, 2016, 09:36:00 AM »
Well, at least it will be on the street. But what a waste of land so close to a rail station. Very few jobs. No housing. No retail. so no interaction with a high-density transit corridor. Just in case we're wondering why our rail system is so lightly used and will continue to be until we stop doing the following....

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Project Address: 9007 Detroit Avenue
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Note: this project received Conceptual Approval on March 18, 2016.

This is one of the higher-density, old walkable neighborhoods in Cleveland that has struggled, but is in transition for the better.   So why are they putting in a foolish, 1-story City Kennel (surrounded by asphalt parking) in the middle of this type of neighborhood nearby a heavy-rail transit station?  Is RTA's so-called TOD program lip service?  Who is councilman from this district?   We talk of TOD development around the Opportunity Corridor while we build suburban, office-park development around our train stations... Is this some kind of joke?  ... if it is, the laugh's on Cleveland.
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« Reply #121 on: June 03, 2016, 12:13:53 PM »
I could be wrong, but I think that residential is prohibited on this site because of possible contamination. Or maybe I'm thinking of the Midland Steel site.

Regardless, even if residential isn't a possibility, they could have gone with a better less-sprawling design. They also could have split this parcel up to allow for future development alongside the kennel. Instead we get a mediocre piece of crap that could just as easily be built in Strongsville. It's too bad they didn't extend the "Urban Frontage Line" along this part of Detroit. That would have made it much harder to build this crappy building.

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« Reply #122 on: June 03, 2016, 12:34:13 PM »
Cleveland is not building for its future it seems...

As KJP pointed out, why not leverage TOD, or at least not impede it?  This is almost a poster child of stunting long term planning and growth for the area. 

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« Reply #123 on: June 03, 2016, 01:05:41 PM »
I could be wrong, but I think that residential is prohibited on this site because of possible contamination. Or maybe I'm thinking of the Midland Steel site.

Regardless, even if residential isn't a possibility, they could have gone with a better less-sprawling design. They also could have split this parcel up to allow for future development alongside the kennel. Instead we get a mediocre piece of crap that could just as easily be built in Strongsville. It's too bad they didn't extend the "Urban Frontage Line" along this part of Detroit. That would have made it much harder to build this crappy building.

I think you're right about Midland Steel contaminating this site.  I just wonder: a) as with the Opportunity Corridor, do we have to wait for federal highway fund remediation to clean up such a site or are their other remediation funding mechanisms?, or b) couldn't there be a higher employment usage for this site and, at least, some street-level retail away from the contaminated portion that could have been built?  Your terminology of the proposed kennel as "mediocre crap" that could have been built in Strongsville is pretty dead-on in my book.

Not a lot different from the non-TOD recently built adjacent to the urban Rapid E.116 Rapid station: a small, 1-story Social Security Admin office, a relocated public library branch next to a 2-story Harvey Rice Elementary School (sorry kiddies, I appreciate public ed, but your school building out not be next to a rapid transit station!)... note: on the opposite side of Shaker Blvd are 2 filling stations, one of which was rebuilt within the last decade ... ugh!

This kennel is just one more piece of evidence that Cleveland just doesn't get the urban thing or the TOD thing... I wonder if we ever will?
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« Reply #124 on: June 03, 2016, 02:03:31 PM »
I could be wrong, but I think that residential is prohibited on this site because of possible contamination. Or maybe I'm thinking of the Midland Steel site.

Regardless, even if residential isn't a possibility, they could have gone with a better less-sprawling design. They also could have split this parcel up to allow for future development alongside the kennel. Instead we get a mediocre piece of crap that could just as easily be built in Strongsville. It's too bad they didn't extend the "Urban Frontage Line" along this part of Detroit. That would have made it much harder to build this crappy building.

Residential is a very viable option for this site - in fact I think it's the best option.  Continuing infill and momentum along Detroit is critical.  Battery Park is built on much more contaminated site.  I hated this idea for the Kennel being located here without even considering TOD.  It's really a dumb idea.  Matt Zone or someone really needs to explain why this is being located here

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« Reply #125 on: June 03, 2016, 02:13:34 PM »

Residential is a very viable option for this site - in fact I think it's the best option.  Continuing infill and momentum along Detroit is critical.  Battery Park is built on much more contaminated site.  I hated this idea for the Kennel being located here without even considering TOD.  It's really a dumb idea.  Matt Zone or someone really needs to explain why this is being located here

Really!? ... Then this kennel is even dumber than I thought.  Zone definitely needs to explain this.

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« Reply #126 on: July 08, 2016, 10:39:20 AM »
From the Cudell Snippets e-newsletter.....

WEST 104 REHABS SHAPING UP!
Cudell Properties LLC, a wholly owned subsidiary of Cudell Improvement, Inc, purchased two homes on West 104 near Alcott School  from the Cuyahoga County Land Bank (CCLRC) for the purpose of returning them to productive use and stabilizing the property values of other homes on this lovely street off Clifton Blvd.  While CP LLC is limited in what it can sell the home for (by contract with CCLRC),  the market dictates what the developer can sell the property for when the rehab is complete (and approved by CP LLC).  It is hoped that the rehab of the homes will engender a price point matching, or even exceeding, the existing values on the street.  It looks like that is being accomplished.

1336 West 104 is almost finished. The development group that purchased the home from CP LLC (TJRJ, LLC)  has done a fantastic rehab. No one would believe it is the same house.  It is a gut rehab with a new garage and back deck. Before rehab, the bushes in front hid the character of the home.  Now it has great curb appeal.   Watch for a listing soon. Anticipated price point is around  $200,000.

The other house Cudell sold the same development group at 1326 West 104 is having the foundation rebuilt before the gut rehab begins.  Specs call for a similar level of rehab for 1326 as for 1336.  It will be another fine, family home on West 104. 

Take a slow drive or walk along West 104 in order to appreciate the diverse architecture and loving care the owners give their homes. 
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« Reply #127 on: July 08, 2016, 11:11:20 AM »
^Just Google/street viewed these addresses.  This is good news; looks like a solid area (just from photos)... I just thought this was the Edgewater neighborhood, not Cudell (but obviously Cudell Improvement, Inc. knows where it's neighborhood is).

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« Reply #128 on: July 08, 2016, 01:24:24 PM »

Residential is a very viable option for this site - in fact I think it's the best option.  Continuing infill and momentum along Detroit is critical.  Battery Park is built on much more contaminated site.  I hated this idea for the Kennel being located here without even considering TOD.  It's really a dumb idea.  Matt Zone or someone really needs to explain why this is being located here

Really!? ... Then this kennel is even dumber than I thought.  Zone definitely needs to explain this.

Answer for all these questions:  Someone is directly responsible, they are wrong for the job, and they should be removed from office.  Cleveland needs to start planning like it knows what's going on.  As with any change, the first step is deciding it needs to be done.
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« Reply #129 on: July 08, 2016, 02:08:04 PM »
What the hell are you talking about? Who did anything wrong? Cudell is the CDC responsible for redevelopment in the Edgewater neighborhood. They never said it was the Cudell neighborhood.  Before you call for anyone to lose their jobs know your facts.

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« Reply #130 on: July 08, 2016, 02:31:32 PM »
My contention is that someone holds a job in which this decision was made at a governmental level.  And that's who I'm talking about.  No need to name names here or call out anyone personally.  But someone had that responsibility.  And that someone should be taken to task for it, at some point, because these decisions matter and the community deserves better.

EDIT:  For clarity, I was talking about the kennel project.  Did not realize at first that it was a story from last month!  June/July they look the same sometimes.  I'm now adding a quote to the original post, which I should have done in the first place.  Sorry.
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« Reply #131 on: July 09, 2016, 10:42:52 AM »
^ The Kennel building is abysmal.

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« Reply #132 on: November 07, 2016, 08:40:32 PM »
Again, a very light agenda. But this one is pretty interesting...

Board of Zoning Appeals
MONDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2016
9:30
Calendar No. 16-269: 2011 West Boulevard Ward 15
Matt Zone
14 Notices
Pascal Boutros, owner, proposes to renovate and change use of former school building to a 6 unit
apartment in a B1 Two-Family Residential District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict
application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances:
1. Section 337.03 which states that a six unit apartment structure is not permitted in a two family
residential district, first permitted in a multi-family residential district.
2. Section 359.01(a) which states that substitution of nonconforming use to other than a
conforming use requires approval of the Board of Zoning Appeals. Use is not permitted
indistinct as cited above, and building is nonconforming due to a lack of a required rear yard
equal to the height of the building but in no case less than 20 feet per Zoning Code Section
357.08(b)(1).(Filed October 13, 2016)
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« Reply #133 on: January 09, 2017, 12:41:54 PM »
Not so much a development in the sense that something is being built, but a development in the sense that something slightly interesting has actually occurred in the neighborhood: looks like this house sold not too long ago for 175k.
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« Reply #134 on: March 15, 2017, 12:18:30 PM »
Again, a very light agenda. But this one is pretty interesting...

Board of Zoning Appeals
MONDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2016
9:30
Calendar No. 16-269: 2011 West Boulevard Ward 15
Matt Zone
14 Notices
Pascal Boutros, owner, proposes to renovate and change use of former school building to a 6 unit
apartment in a B1 Two-Family Residential District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict
application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances:
1. Section 337.03 which states that a six unit apartment structure is not permitted in a two family
residential district, first permitted in a multi-family residential district.
2. Section 359.01(a) which states that substitution of nonconforming use to other than a
conforming use requires approval of the Board of Zoning Appeals. Use is not permitted
indistinct as cited above, and building is nonconforming due to a lack of a required rear yard
equal to the height of the building but in no case less than 20 feet per Zoning Code Section
357.08(b)(1).(Filed October 13, 2016)

This project still hasn't been approved by BZA -- 4, count 'em, 4 postponements.  The entire zoning process is ridiculous

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2017/crr03-27-2017.pdf

Calendar No. 16-269: 2011 West Boulevard Ward 15
Pascal Boutros, owner, proposes to renovate and change use of former school building to a 6 unit
apartment in a B1 Two-Family Residential District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict
application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances:
1. Section 337.03 which states that a six unit apartment structure is not permitted in a two family
residential district, first permitted in a multi-family residential district.
2. Section 359.01(a) which states that substitution of nonconforming use to other than a
conforming use requires approval of the Board of Zoning Appeals. Use is not permitted
indistinct as cited above, and building is nonconforming due to a lack of a required rear yard
2 | P a g e
equal to the height of the building but in no case less than 20 feet per Zoning Code Section
357.08(b)(1).(Filed October 13, 2016- Testimony Taken) FOURTH POSTPONEMENT MADE AT
THE REQUEST OF THE COUNCILMAN TO ALLOW FOR TIME FOR A COMMUNITY MEETING.
THIRD POSTPONEMENT MADE AT THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR
TIME FOR THE PLANS TO BE REVISED TO SHOW FENCING AND PATIO. SECOND
POSTPONEMENT MADE AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPELLANT. FIRST POSTPONEMENT MADE
AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNCILMAN FOR FURTHER REVIEW

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« Reply #135 on: March 15, 2017, 01:08:22 PM »
^Yeah, the zoning process is antiquated and needs to be streamlined.  Yes property uses need to conform to neighborhood needs and desires, but when a neighborhood so totally changes and is attempting to upgrade, especially bringing in new residents ...

... Cudell is one of Cleveland's neighborhoods waiting to happen.  Lots of potential and solid old housing, much of it multi-unit with lakefront access and quality transit connections.  This location, in particular is just a block from the Red Line Rapid Station on Detroit.  Cudell could/should be the next Detroit-Shoreway.
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« Reply #136 on: March 15, 2017, 05:45:48 PM »
I'm interested to know about this community meeting. I very much plan to attend it.

I really feel that a lot of what's holding back Cudell is the lack of concentrated development efforts from the CDC. They allocate almost all of their resources to Edgewater.

That being said, tomorrow is a NOACA meeting regarding a TOD study for the West Boulevard station. Supposedly the abandoned apartment building across from the station is also about to be purchased soon.

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« Reply #137 on: March 15, 2017, 07:20:56 PM »
I'm interested to know about this community meeting. I very much plan to attend it.

I really feel that a lot of what's holding back Cudell is the lack of concentrated development efforts from the CDC. They allocate almost all of their resources to Edgewater.

That being said, tomorrow is a NOACA meeting regarding a TOD study for the West Boulevard station. Supposedly the abandoned apartment building across from the station is also about to be purchased soon.

Cudell doesn't allocate any resources to Edgewater.  Cudell is a bunch of well-meaning old ladies who collect their salaries (grant money) and react to things.   They are not visionary by any definition.   It certainly would help to infuse some new blood in the organization willing to think outside the box and push TOD and other modern initiatives.
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« Reply #138 on: March 15, 2017, 07:34:16 PM »
Reactionary is a good description.

Honestly, they hardly have any resources to allocate. I just have issue with how, when they do put in some effort, it's only for something in Edgewater; more specifically Clifton which they keep calling a commercial corridor even though it really isn't, at least in the sense they want it to be.

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« Reply #139 on: March 15, 2017, 07:50:33 PM »
Reactionary is a good description.

Honestly, they hardly have any resources to allocate. I just have issue with how, when they do put in some effort, it's only for something in Edgewater; more specifically Clifton which they keep calling a commercial corridor even though it really isn't, at least in the sense they want it to be.

Clifton and Edgewater are both great, but Detroit/West Blvd should be their focus. 

The director has been there for 30+ years and hasn't changed her mindset.  I think she's collecting nearly $100K/year to rehash and go through the motions.

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« Reply #140 on: May 04, 2017, 12:14:41 PM »
Decently aggressive work planned for Western Ave and North Marginal.

North Marginal Rd. is being completely removed and all traffic will now be routed along Western. Bioswale gardens are being added in place of the removed road, while the sidewalks are being retained which I think will do a nice job at meking sure the green space is actually utilized as a neighborhood asset. The remaining streets are being resurfaced (shaded in blue) or rebuilt (shaded in orange).



They're also scaling down the road to one lane and adding protected bike lanes.


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« Reply #141 on: May 04, 2017, 12:58:10 PM »
Cool! That area (especially the streets designed for speed) needs a makeover.
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« Reply #142 on: May 04, 2017, 01:08:13 PM »
I'm pretty pleased with the overall plan.

I was expecting to have to go to the meeting to yell "but what about sidewalks!?" and argue that they should leave space for paths, but then they went and actually planned it as useful green space so that was a pleasant surprise. It's a pretty sweet deal for the residents at the end of W101, because now they'll suddenly end up with a cul-de-sac that essentially ends in a park.
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« Reply #143 on: May 08, 2017, 09:34:08 AM »
Sorry I "missed" this unfortunate news from the April 28 Cudell Snippets emailed newsletter....

NEW KENNEL PROJECT A "GO"

Great news!  the city of Cleveland Board of Control awarded a contract this week for the construction of the new City Kennel!  We are on our way to a beautiful new facility for our four footed friends.  It is also wonderful news for the residents of the Edgewater Parke Block Club area that have suffered so long with the blighted former Monarch Aluminum property at West 92nd and Detroit Avenue. 

Thank you Councilman Matt Zone for leading the charge to insure a top notch facility is built that will accommodate a high quality of experience for the animals awaiting adoption.  We are looking forward to hundreds of volunteers there every month. 

Additionally, our thanks to Mayor Frank Jackson who, when made aware of the budget constraints by Councilman Zone, allocated a significant amount of additional funding to the project.

Look for a groundbreaking announcement soon.
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« Reply #144 on: May 08, 2017, 10:08:17 AM »
Every time I've seen residents raise concerns with the terrible, low-density site plan the CDC just tells us how "excited the residents are."

I understand that brownfield remediation is costly for residential uses, but there is no excuse that this isn't a denser commercial site.
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