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Cleveland: Cudell/West Boulevard: Development and News
« on: May 29, 2012, 06:37:01 PM »
This is in the heart of the Cudell so it would be the southside of W. 117th area. No?
These terrace row houses are getting a new lease on life (they're a Nat'l Historic Landmark -- not sure when that was designated). It's essentially two very long buildings that face each other with retail and/or apartments on the ends (this all sits between Detroit, Madison, West Blvd and W. 101st).
Right now, a big brick building on the corner also seems to be getting rehabbed. As well as one of the streets, W. 101st.


This side is not yet under construction






THis side is starting to take shape














The storefront area on Detroit




The taller brick bldg at W. 101 & Detroit








W. 101st St



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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2012, 08:11:34 PM »
I've always loved those buildings and I'm glad they're getting some attention.
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2012, 08:40:28 PM »
I hope they dont completely cover up that brick street though!

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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2012, 09:21:34 PM »
Wow. Great pics and what a project. Any idea who's doing the reno work/how the units will be marketed?

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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2012, 09:22:25 PM »
General contractor is Marous Brothers Construction, I believe the developer is Ferchill Group.  I know it's staying low income apartments because it's being funded with LIHTC's.  Too bad it's all staying low income, that area could really use an infusion of quality market rate apartments
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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2012, 09:29:28 PM »
This was moved from the Lakewood/Cleveland West 117th thread. West 117th is 15+ blocks west of this location, although the Cleveland side of West 117th is in the Cudell CDC's area.

This is a much-needed station-area development. I can't tell you how many times I've ranted about that beautiful Shamrock Apartments building on the SW corner of Detroit and West 101st sitting vacant for the past 25 years. How could I claim rail transit is a benefit to a neighborhood when the owner of that building has neglected it for 30 years? Glad to see some investment is coming to that area.

So how much of this will be low-income? All of it or just some?
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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2012, 09:32:04 PM »
Nothing wrong with lower income housing in principle, but it struck me that in a place like Washington DC, considering the proximity to public transport, those would be $300k+ units. At any rate, any investment is good investment in that party of the city.

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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2012, 09:48:41 PM »
FYI. From the Cleveland-Area TOD Discussion at......
http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,1977.msg597046.html#msg597046

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/bbs/agenda/2012/AGENDA01182012.pdf

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Docket A-188-11 10107 Detroit Avenue WARD: 17 (Dona Brady)

Boulevard Terrace Apartments, Ltd., Owner of the R-2 Residential – Non-transient; Apartments (Shared Egress Two Story Masonry Property appeals from a NOTICE OF VIOLA-TION—INTERIOR/EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE, dated May 11, 2011; appellant states that they are in the process of assembling and closing the financing for a total rehab of the property; that on March 30, 2011, PNC Bank issued a signed letter of intent to invest a total of approximately $9.8 million as the low income and federal historic tax credit investor in this project and in a “sister” project (Boulevard Terrace Apartments) in a multi-million dollar redevelopment of the two projects. All items listed in the Notice of Violation will be addressed as part of the total rehab.
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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2012, 09:57:57 PM »
I can't believe the City actually filed a notice of violation for interior/exterior maintenance...  what a novel idea.   the project manager said the interiors were the worst living conditions he's ever seen and should've been torn down completely.  He said the conditions were much worse than the CMHA Garden Valley Kinsman or Valley View Tremont projects which were torn down.  And this is how the city lets a "historic landmark" development be maintained...

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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2012, 10:10:24 PM »
Oh I can believe it. This is about as "secret" a project I've seen in a long time and the building inspector apparently didn't know about it either. Try and find anything about this project in Google searches. There's nothing except for what we've all posted here at UO. The councilwoman is one of the people I regularly talk with in the course of my freelance work for Sun Newspapers, and she never says anything about it. Also no one at RTA seemed to know this project was coming. They pointed to those abandoned buildings on the south side of Detroit Avenue as how little Cleveland cares about developing around transit. That's the kind of woe-is-me quitter crap that drives me nuts.

In 2008 I conducted public meetings funded by the city and sponsored by three CDCs -- Ohio City/Near West, Detroit-Shoreway, and Cudell -- to gather public input on station-area development ideas at the West 117th, West Boulevard, West 65th and Ohio City stations. Those findings were then provided to the CDCs, the city and GCRTA for several upcoming studies (West Shore Corridor Transportation Project, Walworth Run trail plan, West 117th commercial corridor plan, etc). A number of developers attended these meetings and got some good followup brainstorming between them, the CDCs, council people, city planners and GCRTA. But it was a terrible time to pursue private financing for anything with the depths of the recession only months away.
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2012, 07:31:44 AM »
There's another group of apartments east on Detroit from here that Marous is doing as well...I tried researching it to see plans and as others said on this one, there's nothing online.

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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2012, 08:02:05 AM »
Im not getting too excited about this project.  I assume the same slum landlords will be running the show and it wont help the neighborhood much

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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2012, 08:14:17 AM »
The neighborhood as a whole is sorely in need of an updated master plan.

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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2012, 08:24:21 AM »
Im not getting too excited about this project.  I assume the same slum landlords will be running the show and it wont help the neighborhood much

It will improve life drastically for residents of Boulevard and Neal Terraces. It will also improve the exteriors (masonary cleaning, great new porches, etc.), so I see it as a win.

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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2012, 08:31:38 AM »
So do I. It's not a huge win, but anything that freshens up an area by replacing/repairing decaying fixtures, roofs, load-bearing structures of historic buildings is a good thing. If no attention was paid to these buildings in the next 5-15 years, I'm afraid they would be goners.

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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2012, 09:24:17 AM »
^Totally agree.  I'm really excited to see this project happen.  Thanks for the great shots Clueless!
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2012, 09:53:49 AM »
I'm really happy to see these handsome, Eastern-style, high-density buildings getting fixed up.  The area seems like it has much potential and that, in its day, was a decent even quality neighborhood -- I've always wondered about that long-shuddered (Italian?) restaurant across from the Rapid station.

I'm certainly not against low-income people, but I guess I'm a little leery about this rehab being for mainly low-income folks.  If a quality owner/manager isn't brought in to these "new" buildings, who's to say we won't be right back here in another 15-20 years.  And if that's the case, this pivotal neighborhood will not really be progressing but, rather, will have only been "healed" with a band-aid ... Why are we not capable of developing serious high-density, market rate TOD?  Rather than wring their hands, it would be nice to see RTA (for once) take a seriously proactive stance about developing smart, high-density living adjacent to its highest-capacity transit line: the Red Line... The Chicle development just on the other side of the NS bridge (which is a tad more isolated b/c of the RR bridge) has market rate apts; ... why not here?
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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2012, 10:03:37 AM »
how man units is this?

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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2012, 10:06:48 AM »
I'm really happy to see these handsome, Eastern-style, high-density buildings getting fixed up.  The area seems like it has much potential and that, in its day, was a decent even quality neighborhood -- I've always wondered about that long-shuddered (Italian?) restaurant across from the Rapid station.

I'm certainly not against low-income people, but I guess I'm a little leery about this rehab being for mainly low-income folks.  If a quality owner/manager isn't brought in to these "new" buildings, who's to say we won't be right back here in another 15-20 years.  And if that's the case, this pivotal neighborhood will not really be progressing but, rather, will have only been "healed" with a band-aid ... Why are we not capable of developing serious high-density, market rate TOD?  Rather than wring their hands, it would be nice to see RTA (for once) take a seriously proactive stance about developing smart, high-density living adjacent to its highest-capacity transit line: the Red Line... The Chicle development just on the other side of the NS bridge (which is a tad more isolated b/c of the RR bridge) has market rate apts; ... why not here?


My thoughts exactly.  They can rebuild them up and make them look pretty, but with mistreatment and lack of lovin' they will be right back here in no time.

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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2012, 10:43:16 AM »
I think the city should ask itself if Detroit Ave really needs to be seven (!!) lanes wide ride there.
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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2012, 11:03:42 AM »
I think the city should ask itself if Detroit Ave really needs to be seven (!!) lanes wide ride there.

Agreed.  The City would be wise to engage some traffic calming like lane narrowing.  There are a series of very frustrating traffic lights, including that at Berea Rd.

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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2012, 11:07:03 AM »

There's another group of apartments east on Detroit from here that Marous is doing as well...I tried researching it to see plans and as others said on this one, there's nothing online.

I also took a  couple shots of these.
They're around W. 87th or 90th, cant remember...& Detroit.
That would be Detroit-Shoreway? Or still Cudell?

EDIT: yes, I agree, Detroit is way too wide there

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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2012, 05:58:40 PM »

There's another group of apartments east on Detroit from here that Marous is doing as well...I tried researching it to see plans and as others said on this one, there's nothing online.

I also took a  couple shots of these.
They're around W. 87th or 90th, cant remember...& Detroit.
That would be Detroit-Shoreway? Or still Cudell?

EDIT: yes, I agree, Detroit is way too wide there



That is a major route for commuters looking to miss the Innerbelt Bridge construction.   I don't see Detroit being narrowed there anytime soon.
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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2012, 06:13:50 PM »

It seems like these terrace row houses sit just inside Detroit-Shoreway, around the 8700 block between Detroit Ave and a 'no-outlet' extension of Franklin Ave. They're situated almost just like the Cudell terrace rows...facing each other, etc.


This side looks almost done




Same side but at the Franklin end






The work is just beginning on the oppposite set of rows




Same row but at the Franklin end (not yet started)




The alley between this just-starting side and yet another stretch of rowhouses




The front entrances of the neighboring rowhouses. Maybe these will be renovated soon?





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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2012, 06:18:34 PM »
^ Are these also low income?

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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2012, 07:01:16 PM »
^ i would assume.  Correct me if im wrong.  If you are a young professional, are you going to spend market rate on those?

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« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2012, 08:15:23 PM »
Depends on what they are doing to them.

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« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2012, 08:18:50 PM »
The other group of apartments is probably Detroit Shoreway. Many of the western commuters into downtown get off at West Blvd and go via 2.  The daily line of cars is comical.  I lived in that area prior to the Innerbelt construction, so I'm sure it's even more crazy now.

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« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2012, 09:00:47 PM »
Im not getting too excited about this project.  I assume the same slum landlords will be running the show and it wont help the neighborhood much

It's a very rare slum landlord who will invest millions of dollars and navigate the expensive/time consuming/difficult LIHTC and Historic Preservation Tax Credit programs to renovate a building.

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« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2012, 09:03:21 PM »
They are using Pella Windows...that doesn't sound very slumish hahaha

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« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2012, 09:07:20 PM »
Im not getting too excited about this project.  I assume the same slum landlords will be running the show and it wont help the neighborhood much

It's a very rare slum landlord who will invest millions of dollars and navigate the expensive/time consuming/difficult LIHTC and Historic Preservation Tax Credit programs to renovate a building.

Very, very true.

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« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2012, 06:07:52 AM »
^ If you are a young professional, are you going to spend market rate on those?

If you are a young professional you likely wouldnt live in that neighborhood!
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« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2012, 06:44:07 AM »
^ If you are a young professional, are you going to spend market rate on those?

If you are a young professional you likely wouldnt live in that neighborhood!

That is what I was hinting at.  If you are going to spend market rates on living space, i would venture to say the majority of folks will not pick that area.  Im not speaking of Detroit-Shoreway as a whole, just where these units are located.

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« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2012, 06:53:35 AM »

At least they're getting some TLC. That increases the chances that they'll be around maybe for a future wave of gentrification.
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« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2012, 06:56:23 AM »
^ i would assume.  Correct me if im wrong.  If you are a young professional, are you going to spend market rate on those?

Why would you say that without knowing all the details?
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