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Re: Lakewood: Development and News
« Reply #175 on: February 20, 2007, 10:59:56 AM »
I think that they are still there. Rysar bought the property for the future. I would think that redevelopment is a long way away.

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« Reply #176 on: February 20, 2007, 03:57:42 PM »
Is Forest City waiting for some handout from the tax payers to keep building here... nothing more has been done since Rysar split. that company is such a joke.

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« Reply #177 on: February 20, 2007, 05:59:03 PM »
^they are probably waiting for the weather to break. most developers take a break over the winter.  I know that Rysar just broke ground last week (and then again today after the cold and snow had passed) on a project across the street from my house.

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« Reply #178 on: February 20, 2007, 09:01:11 PM »
^its on the northeast corner of 117 and Detroit (currently the cudell cdc office). there are no current plans for the building. all i know is that rysar bought it. i would assume that they would want to do something with it once rockport square is built out.

I found out today that there is a design charette on Friday for a TOD on West 117th. To my knowledge, the only TOD discussed for this area is one in the city's Connecting Cleveland plan, and is generally in the area between Detroit and Clifton. It is tied with the proposed West Shore Transit Corridor.

Ironically, I cannot attend since I will be at the West Shore Corridor stakeholders meeting on Friday at NOACA. I don't have any other information on the design charette.
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« Reply #179 on: February 20, 2007, 09:11:18 PM »
^its on the northeast corner of 117 and Detroit (currently the cudell cdc office). there are no current plans for the building. all i know is that rysar bought it. i would assume that they would want to do something with it once rockport square is built out.

I found out today that there is a design charette on Friday for a TOD on West 117th. To my knowledge, the only TOD discussed for this area is one in the city's Connecting Cleveland plan, and is generally in the area between Detroit and Clifton. It is tied with the proposed West Shore Transit Corridor.

Ironically, I cannot attend since I will be at the West Shore Corridor stakeholders meeting on Friday at NOACA. I don't have any other information on the design charette.

this Charrette is only one day?  I was under the impression they were 2-3 day planning events.
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« Reply #180 on: February 20, 2007, 09:15:17 PM »
It may be. I don't know too much about it.
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« Reply #181 on: February 21, 2007, 09:24:28 AM »
^its on the northeast corner of 117 and Detroit (currently the cudell cdc office). there are no current plans for the building. all i know is that rysar bought it. i would assume that they would want to do something with it once rockport square is built out.

I found out today that there is a design charette on Friday for a TOD on West 117th. To my knowledge, the only TOD discussed for this area is one in the city's Connecting Cleveland plan, and is generally in the area between Detroit and Clifton. It is tied with the proposed West Shore Transit Corridor.

Ironically, I cannot attend since I will be at the West Shore Corridor stakeholders meeting on Friday at NOACA. I don't have any other information on the design charette.

this Charrette is only one day?  I was under the impression they were 2-3 day planning events.

This is the long awaited partnership Cleveland and Lakewood have talked about so each city's plans for the West 117th corridor are in sync. The meeting in question is the kick off meeting for the two cities and their stake holders. Too bad they did not have this discussion set up before the crap being built at 117 and Madison started.

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« Reply #182 on: February 21, 2007, 09:55:17 AM »
^its on the northeast corner of 117 and Detroit (currently the cudell cdc office). there are no current plans for the building. all i know is that rysar bought it. i would assume that they would want to do something with it once rockport square is built out.

I thought the bought the property directly north of this.  I didn't think it included the Cuddell offices (which SORELY need an update!), but I could be wrong.

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« Reply #183 on: February 21, 2007, 09:58:48 AM »
Sorry, but I also meant to add that the Rosewood project (also discussed on this thread) is looking complete and lovely.

That, and I couldn't help but notice that this Cleveland Clinic building in Lakewood actually acknowledges that it exists in a neighborhood with a street grid and pedestrians.  Too bad it's a lesson they haven't applied to Fairfax yet!

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« Reply #184 on: March 07, 2007, 12:39:42 AM »
New Website for Rockport Square -- http://www.rockportsquare.com

Specifically make sure to check the site plan which gives details for the North side of the site (for the first time I believe).  Be prepared to spew though -- The design for the north side looks as if it might as well be a strip mall in Aurora.  It seems to be completely contradictory to the rest of the site.  Essentially, a pedestrian will have to wade through a "mini-park" and a parking lot to get to the ground-floor retail in this building, as opposed to the other side of the street, where the building is right up on the sidewalk.

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« Reply #185 on: March 07, 2007, 08:04:38 AM »
What the hell! How is Lakewood's planning department allowing this to happen? Why so much parking? Why is the loft building set so far back? This is ridiculous.

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« Reply #186 on: March 07, 2007, 10:39:47 AM »
That isn't anything like the original north side site plan.  Not happy.

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« Reply #187 on: March 07, 2007, 12:30:58 PM »
After contacting the Forest City Land Group about the disappointment of the surface parking lot in between the "park" and loft building, I received this extensive email in response.  Apparently I wasn't the only one to abhore this part of an otherwise quality urban project and contact them(although I do have issue with the aesthetics of the actual buildings). 
I particularly have a problem with the comparison of Philadelphia is Cleveland, except with people.  What has Forest City done in the last 50 years to remedy such a situation in our city?  I could go on and on...



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     Sorry to learn of your disappointment.  Due to it's initial lack of success, we spent some time meeting with neighbors and other perspective stake holder's to understand how best to approach a very tight urban redevelopment site in the most densely populated city between New York and Chicago (Lakewood).  When we began to imagine what it would be like for a couple of hundred people to live, work and play in our community, we considered other successful communities.  What we arrived at was that all communities need a place; a public and accessible place where residents and non residents can interact and share.   The more urban the setting, the more necessary the space and the more important for it to be "on the street" and not tucked in and behind where it becomes a dark dangerous.  We considered our own experiences and reflected on what made "great places" in great cities.  In Paris, London, Rome, Washington, D.C., and Boston,the very intense urban areas are all relieved by small parks, plazas or greens.  In Philadelphia, which is very much like Cleveland (with people), Rittenhouse Square and other small public parks punctuate a city filled with a similar mix of town homes, mid rise and commercial and live/work buildings.  The thing that make all these places special is a sense of place.  Thus was born the idea of Rockport Square, an alee of trees and a plaza that will allow the center of the very intense development to shift away from the street and onto the square and plaza where a transition between living, working, and playing can occur.  We are fortunate to be building in Lakewood, Ohio.  One of the key elements of life in Lakewood revolves around a healthier, pedestrian and fitness focused lifestyle.  Additionally, in our meetings with neighbors and Lakewood residents, we heard three words loud and clear: parking, parking , parking. We understand that it is currently in vogue to ignore the reality of cars, but we feel we have a duty to consider our neighbors as well as our customers.  We have  incorporated structured parking in our plans where it makes economic and lifestyle sense, and the more traditional forms where the commercial or retail spaces made it necessary or desirable.  Our commitment to the community is to provide 2 parking spaces per residential unit and enough on grade parking to accommodate guest, visitors, customers and tenants; and to provide an organized way of moving through the site to the different areas of use without disrupting the strictly single family residential neighborhoods that surround Rockport Square.  We think we have developed a plan that will give life and space to Rockport Square, but ultimately, the market will determine if we will be successful in our vision.  Based on our recent sales success, we are encouraged that others are willing to share our vision and join us in the redevelopment of this great inner ring suburb.  There are a few town houses for sale that are hard against Detroit Avenue and the phase 2 townhouses also share a proximity to the street, with the relief of a small private park to provide some  transition from the multi-story building to the lower density town homes.  To be frank, the most common sales objection is the fact that the phase 1A townhouses do not have more private space between the street and the homes.
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« Reply #188 on: March 07, 2007, 01:31:59 PM »
Ok fine FC -- so people want parking.  But why sully the "sense of place" (small park) that you deem so important by separating it from the primary use of the site (retail/residential) with a F-ING PARKING LOT.
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« Reply #189 on: March 07, 2007, 01:39:21 PM »
At least put the parking behind the building and connect the loft build to the park. This would open up some great outdoor cafe opportunities that don't currently exist in Lakewood.

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« Reply #190 on: March 07, 2007, 01:59:13 PM »
^Totally

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« Reply #191 on: March 07, 2007, 08:37:34 PM »
Additionally, in our meetings with neighbors and Lakewood residents, we heard three words loud and clear: parking, parking , parking. We understand that it is currently in vogue to ignore the reality of cars, but we feel we have a duty to consider our neighbors as well as our customers.

I would love to know who they interviewed. I live in the neighborhood and I wasn't interviewed. And what the hell does "it is currently in vogue to ignore the reality of cars" mean?? I assume that to mean ensuring that parking is available in the quanity demanded by the market?

One of the key elements of life in Lakewood revolves around a healthier, pedestrian and fitness focused lifestyle. 

So how does putting parking between the buildings and the park help this? So we can lie on the grass in the park and sniff carbon monoxide from a car's engine being started up? So we don't have to walk more than a feet from our cars to reach the park? Geez, why don't we just put in a moving sidewalk in the name of that "fitness focused lifestyle"? Or are we really that lazy that we can't walk from a parking lot on one side of a building, through a well-lit portal, to the park-side of the building? If that's the case, this country will be comprised of a bunch of overweight, arthritic slobs. Whoops...too late! Developments designed like this don't help turn back that trend.
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« Reply #192 on: March 08, 2007, 11:23:36 AM »
Which loft building is slated to be built first?

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« Reply #193 on: March 08, 2007, 03:31:04 PM »
^^ maybe they were talking to the Gold Coast people? I never lived there but it does constantly seem to be overflowing with cars and is probably the type of people they consider their market. 4 out the 5 places I've lived in Lakewood, parking was consistently a struggle. Personally I always just chalked it up to one of the costs of living in a pleasantly crowded area, though.

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« Reply #194 on: March 08, 2007, 07:00:11 PM »
I live midway between Rockport Square and Gold Coast. It's an easy walk or ride on the Circulator from the Gold Coast.
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« Reply #195 on: March 09, 2007, 09:57:03 AM »
if you look at the Rockport website, and go to the section about Lakewood, it's pretty funny, because it lists some restaurants and stores that are long gone and no longer exist ... and also doesn't list some places that have been around a while. 

Makes you wonder if the people putting the website together have actually ever BEEN in Lakewood.

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« Reply #196 on: March 09, 2007, 08:52:12 PM »
So, what is Rockport Square like?  We are considering a move from Euclid.  We looked at Rockport but then got caught up in possibly Battery Park or a place in Ohio city.  Kind of moved Rockport out due to eventual high taxes but not sure about Batter Park either.  The place in OC would require lots of renovation and time and of course $$$.  Not sure we want to do that! :|
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« Reply #197 on: March 09, 2007, 09:05:37 PM »
So, what is Rockport Square like?

you can check out the website at www.rockportsquare.com  Its a nice project, but I think that Battery Park offers so much more. Heck, if my wife and I weren't planning on having 2-3 more kids, we'd seriously look at Battery Park (we need more living space than would be available at BP).  Also, you'd save A LOT of money on taxes if you chose Battery Park over Rockport.

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« Reply #198 on: March 09, 2007, 09:25:57 PM »
Thanks!  That is what we quickly realized about the tax abatement difference.  We actually did visit Rockport Square and we did really like the units.  The units on Detroit seem slow to sell.  The units across the street from the sales office are nice and have a basement so extra space.  They don't plan to build more of those models (there are only 5 or 7 of those) and no more units with basements so we were a little disappointed in that.  The modern units are okay but don't offer much more space than we currently have.

BP it may be but we have an opportunity to renovate a building in OC, just haven't made that commitment yet.  We like our house in Euclid but want to go to a neighborhood that might be on the come back, so to speak.   Euclid may be going the other way but we have put a lot of sweat equity into the place in the last 7 years so it it tough to move!

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« Reply #199 on: March 09, 2007, 11:09:35 PM »
"In Paris, London, Rome, Washington, D.C., and Boston,the very intense urban areas are all relieved by small parks, plazas or greens.  In Philadelphia, which is very much like Cleveland (with people), Rittenhouse Square and other small public parks punctuate a city filled with a similar mix of town homes, mid rise and commercial and live/work buildings.  "

Great text, but they obviously don't have the foggiest notion of why the public spaces in those cities work so well.  You can't just set back a building and call the grassy strip out front an urban park.  An urban park needs to be integrated with its surroundings.

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« Reply #200 on: March 10, 2007, 11:53:55 PM »
Put the damn parking lot in back, for godness sakes! OK Ratner's boys, listen up! We are the true future URBAN PIONEERS of NE Ohio and we demand you put that parking in back! It's 2007 and the urban design needs to be politely respected for future generations!

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« Reply #201 on: March 11, 2007, 10:03:30 AM »
^Its Lakewood. I don't think it really qualifies as 'urban pioneering'. 

Still, a small plaza surounded by pavement on all four sides is not quaint.


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« Reply #202 on: March 12, 2007, 10:42:22 PM »
^Its Lakewood. I don't think it really qualifies as 'urban pioneering'. 

Still, a small plaza surounded by pavement on all four sides is not quaint.



Why don't you think Lakewood is an urban pioneers dreamland?

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« Reply #203 on: March 13, 2007, 08:06:09 AM »
Why don't you think Lakewood is an urban pioneers dreamland?

How would one be considered an urban pioneer if they moved into Lakewood?

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« Reply #204 on: March 13, 2007, 08:02:13 PM »
If you lived in Pepper Pike... I heard someone from Pepper Pike pity the people in Parma for living in small, closely spaced homes with no swimming pools. Everyone has their own point of reference, I guess.
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« Reply #205 on: March 13, 2007, 10:16:28 PM »
I noticed another SOLD sign up on a unit in RS on Hopkins...i believe that was the last one of those.

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« Reply #206 on: March 14, 2007, 01:55:35 PM »
It's my second post here, so please be gentle...I am not a planner but my friends are planners so I just kind of picked up an interest in it.

And I live in Lakewood, right around the corner from Rosewood place and I must say that has turned out wonderful, the renovations on the existing building worked great with the new construction. Does anybody know if there tenants lined up to move into the groundfloor retail?
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« Reply #207 on: March 22, 2007, 05:44:04 PM »
i like how the intersection of Madison and Warren is shaping up. from a gas station and a half empty suburban type   plaza to a new sherwin williams and walgreens built right up to the corners of the intersection. looks good now we jus need to get rid of the BP station.

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« Reply #208 on: March 22, 2007, 09:38:26 PM »
Too bad they couldn't have done that at West 117th and Madison, across the street from the highest-density mode of transportation in town.

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« Reply #209 on: March 22, 2007, 09:41:55 PM »
i agree...i dont understand whats going on over there...a huge opportunity missed with the DeLorean site....that project really pisses me off.

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