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« Reply #1330 on: May 19, 2017, 10:14:05 AM »
Shortly after this incident happened, Cranley's office tried to blame it on Wendell Young, by claiming that the request from Tre's father for a day in his son's honor originally "came in through Young's office". Jason Williams at the Enquirer started pushing that narrative almost immediately. Young fired back with a statement making it clear that he had noting to do with this declaration. Williams then deleted all of his tweets that blamed Young. (And this is a few days after Enquirer published an editorial insisting that Williams isn't biased in favor of Cranley... uh huh, sure.)

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« Reply #1331 on: May 19, 2017, 10:34:17 AM »
Probably don't exist... but he did admit to deleting a tweet: https://twitter.com/jwilliamscincy/status/865397441314439168

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« Reply #1332 on: May 19, 2017, 10:50:46 AM »
I've got some serious schadenfreude going on right now

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« Reply #1333 on: May 19, 2017, 10:58:49 AM »
Shortly after this incident happened, Cranley's office tried to blame it on Wendell Young, by claiming that the request from Tre's father for a day in his son's honor originally "came in through Young's office". Jason Williams at the Enquirer started pushing that narrative almost immediately. Young fired back with a statement making it clear that he had noting to do with this declaration. Williams then deleted all of his tweets that blamed Young. (And this is a few days after Enquirer published an editorial insisting that Williams isn't biased in favor of Cranley... uh huh, sure.)

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New info: The "Tre Day" proclamation request came through Councilman Wendell Young's office and was sent onto the mayor's office.
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« Reply #1334 on: May 19, 2017, 11:04:19 AM »
Immediately after Williams posted that, one of Cranley's biggest supporters claimed that this was a trap set by Young to take Cranley down.
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« Reply #1335 on: May 19, 2017, 11:32:56 AM »
John Cranley spoke a moment ago at Fountain Square in an event remembering fallen officers to once again apologize.  He followed up the rest of his speech to speak all about him and how he's some grand civil servant.  It was a bit sickening, but at least the other speakers were focused on the reason they were there and not themselves.
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« Reply #1337 on: May 19, 2017, 02:05:26 PM »
John Cranley spoke a moment ago at Fountain Square in an event remembering fallen officers to once again apologize.  He followed up the rest of his speech to speak all about him and how he's some grand civil servant.  It was a bit sickening, but at least the other speakers were focused on the reason they were there and not themselves.

I'm in a twitter arguement with an African American supporter of Cranley, I really want to understand why the heck they support him.
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« Reply #1338 on: May 19, 2017, 02:14:22 PM »
John Cranley spoke a moment ago at Fountain Square in an event remembering fallen officers to once again apologize.  He followed up the rest of his speech to speak all about him and how he's some grand civil servant.  It was a bit sickening, but at least the other speakers were focused on the reason they were there and not themselves.

I'm in a twitter arguement with an African American supporter of Cranley, I really want to understand why the heck they support him.


Because Cranley rains money down on these guys.  That's how he built the support for the parks levy -- promise to have the parks dept pay huge $$'s for odd pieces of unused land owned by black churches. 


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« Reply #1339 on: May 19, 2017, 02:20:01 PM »
John Cranley spoke a moment ago at Fountain Square in an event remembering fallen officers to once again apologize.  He followed up the rest of his speech to speak all about him and how he's some grand civil servant.  It was a bit sickening, but at least the other speakers were focused on the reason they were there and not themselves.

I'm in a twitter arguement with an African American supporter of Cranley, I really want to understand why the heck they support him.


Because Cranley rains money down on these guys.  That's how he built the support for the parks levy -- promise to have the parks dept pay huge $$'s for odd pieces of unused land owned by black churches. 



2 points I got out of the conversation of why would an African American support Cranley:

1) Minority inclusion of govt contracts increased from 2% to 45%.
2) More cops.  The guy I chatted with loves hiring more police to solve crime (probably specific to his own viewpoint).  (I cited evidence that its not better, he disagreed and bought into the lie that Cranley was responsible for the Collaborative agreement).

I'm happy I did this, I really wanted to get a voice that IMO isn't really represented on this forum.

So yeah raining money on them....

People do need to understand that this community is what will swing the election so there should be a focus on it.
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« Reply #1340 on: May 19, 2017, 02:27:32 PM »
John Cranley spoke a moment ago at Fountain Square in an event remembering fallen officers to once again apologize.  He followed up the rest of his speech to speak all about him and how he's some grand civil servant.  It was a bit sickening, but at least the other speakers were focused on the reason they were there and not themselves.

I'm in a twitter arguement with an African American supporter of Cranley, I really want to understand why the heck they support him.


Because Cranley rains money down on these guys.  That's how he built the support for the parks levy -- promise to have the parks dept pay huge $$'s for odd pieces of unused land owned by black churches. 



2 points I got out of the conversation of why would an African American support Cranley:

1) Minority inclusion of govt contracts increased from 2% to 45%.
2) More cops.  The guy I chatted with loves hiring more police to solve crime (probably specific to his own viewpoint).  (I cited evidence that its not better, he disagreed and bought into the lie that Cranley was responsible for the Collaborative agreement).

I'm happy I did this, I really wanted to get a voice that IMO isn't really represented on this forum.

So yeah raining money on them....

People do need to understand that this community is what will swing the election so there should be a focus on it.

Please do not make the mistake that ONE African American supporter of Cranley represents a general population of African-Americans in a city.  It is one perspective that is needed but certainly not a sign.
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« Reply #1341 on: May 19, 2017, 02:33:26 PM »
There's a large section of the Cincinnati population that basically thinks the city should not do anything but hire police and firefighters. Cranley is literally buying the FOP's support (with taxpayer money) by hiring more cops and firefighters and giving them massive raises over the next three years.

Most of the people on this forum aren't on that team because we understand that hiring more cops and firefighters alone doesn't make the city safer. We understand that vacant buildings and empty lots attract criminal activity, and developing vacant buildings and empty lots into new businesses, retail space, and residences results in more "eyes on the street" which makes the city safer. We understand that getting police officers out of their cars and into the community, interacting with citizens, makes us safer. We understand that when you raise people out of poverty, they are less likely to commit crimes.

But America loves to compartmentalize everything. If there's crime, the only solution is to hire more cops! You can't possibly look at the dozens of other government policies that could be changed that would reduce the amount of crime...
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« Reply #1342 on: May 19, 2017, 02:33:29 PM »

Please do not make the mistake that ONE African American supporter of Cranley represents a general population of African-Americans in a city.  It is one perspective that is needed but certainly not a sign.

Agreed and sorry if I came across as implying that.
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« Reply #1343 on: May 19, 2017, 02:35:18 PM »
There's a large section of the Cincinnati population that basically thinks the city should not do anything but hire police and firefighters. Cranley is literally buying the FOP's support (with taxpayer money) by hiring more cops and firefighters and giving them massive raises over the next three years.

Most of the people on this forum aren't on that team because we understand that hiring more cops and firefighters alone doesn't make the city safer. We understand that vacant buildings and empty lots attract criminal activity, and developing vacant buildings and empty lots into new businesses, retail space, and residents results in more "eyes on the street" which makes the city safer. We understand that getting police officers out of their cars and into the community, interacting with citizens, makes us safer. We understand that when you raise people out of poverty, they are less likely to commit crimes.

But America loves to compartmentalize everything. If there's crime, the only solution is to hire more cops! You can't possibly look at the dozens of other government policies that could be changed that would reduce the amount of crime...

Yeah and that problem isn't unique to Cincinnati either.   I hope long term things change to more effective policing over more policing.   One can hope.

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« Reply #1344 on: May 19, 2017, 02:35:34 PM »
Please do not make the mistake that ONE African American supporter of Cranley represents a general population of African-Americans in a city.  It is one perspective that is needed but certainly not a sign.

This is extremely important. There are African American in this city that range from far left to far right. You can't and shouldn't lump people together based on their physical characteristics (which I don't believe Neil was trying to do, at all, BTW).
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« Reply #1345 on: May 19, 2017, 02:40:38 PM »


But America loves to compartmentalize everything. If there's crime, the only solution is to hire more cops! You can't possibly look at the dozens of other government policies that could be changed that would reduce the amount of crime...

Other countries have significantly reduced or almost eliminated the problems that plague the United States.  Instead of copying those solutions, here they are smeared, since too many people are making money off of what amounts to war profiteering. 

Today 700WLW was defending Cranley and still trying to blame Kevin Flynn.  Cranley's real mess-up was the crocodile tears -- the still of him wiping away those fake tears helped turn it into a viral story.  I saw Yahoo News going crazy with it, thanks to that ridiculous image. 




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« Reply #1346 on: May 19, 2017, 03:15:12 PM »

Please do not make the mistake that ONE African American supporter of Cranley represents a general population of African-Americans in a city.  It is one perspective that is needed but certainly not a sign.

Agreed and sorry if I came across as implying that.

No worries, I didn't think you were implying that at all.  I'm just making it clear for those who may have read it that way.
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« Reply #1347 on: May 19, 2017, 05:14:11 PM »
Talk about getting 15-seconds of world fame, Cincy's little Boohoo Boy made BBC News!   :police:
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-39980773/cincinnati-mayor-apologises-for-cop-killer-honour-gaffe

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« Reply #1348 on: June 08, 2017, 02:20:32 PM »
Cranley is now orchestrating a "refresh" of the collaborative agreement.  Basically just an election year stunt. 

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« Reply #1349 on: June 15, 2017, 09:49:58 AM »
Committee hits Cranley campaign with elections complaint

The Charter Committee has filed a complaint against Cincinnati Mayor John Cranley’s campaign, saying it ran afoul of state law by not listing the owners of limited liability companies that made donations.

Charter is a political and civic organization that spearheaded the campaign for Cincinnati’s form of government in the 1920s and has endorsed Cranley’s opponent, Councilwoman Yvette Simpson, for mayor.

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« Reply #1350 on: July 05, 2017, 08:01:00 AM »
My wife and I were having a good time watching the July 4 fireworks at the Eden park over look, like we've done the last 3 years. Always a large and very chill crowd, in my experience - predominantly African American. A great place and event to enjoy being an American with other Americans, and appreciating the Ohio river valley and all the crazy people in Northern Kentucky who love fireworks ;-).

And then about 10 minutes till 10:00, right in the middle of it, here come two squad cars with megaphones, informing everyone that the park would be closing at 10:00 and the gates would be closed and locked.

I asked one of the officers why this was being done this year, where it hadn't been the practice in years past (and why ruin a fun family event?).

She told me that: 1) the parks hours are posted prominently in 5 different places; 2) she couldn't speak to what had or had not been the practice in years past; and 3) "the City Manager lives near hear, and instructed the department to strictly enforce the hours this year, no exceptions."

I'm probably over-sensitive to this crap because of His Majesty in the white house, but it was a sad ending to independence day, for many.

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« Reply #1351 on: July 05, 2017, 09:26:10 AM »
This has been happening every day, all summer long, so it wasn't just a July 4th thing. However, they certainly don't patrol every other park that closes at 10:00pm like they do the one near where the City Manager lives.

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« Reply #1352 on: July 05, 2017, 10:28:47 AM »
He lives in 2200 Victory Parkway.  I have noticed that the police have set up an elaborate cone maze all year outside the overlook near Lurray Ave. to discourage the cruising that has periodically overwhelmed that part of the park. 

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« Reply #1353 on: July 05, 2017, 11:00:51 AM »
^ Huh - I see. I had asked an African American couple what was going on and why they were chasing everyone out, and they smiled and suggested that I could ask the police if I wanted, and that I'd probably have better luck than them (I'm white).

I don't know - this sort of thing feels like an overreaction to me that reinforces tensions.

I don't think Milton would have done it. This whole administration has too much starch in their shorts, IMHO.

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« Reply #1354 on: July 05, 2017, 11:17:39 AM »
Even if no black candidates were to run this time Cranley is going to do way worse with African-Americans than he did in 2013.

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« Reply #1355 on: July 05, 2017, 12:13:17 PM »
I'm not knowledgeable about any variations in park policies that may exist pertaining to holiday hours, but some of my best friends used to live on Luray, near the part of Eden Park in question.  The overlook became totally out of control with drug dealing and other nuisances, and it's my understanding that it's been more aggressively policed, including traffic flow, for many years now.

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« Reply #1356 on: July 05, 2017, 12:17:58 PM »
They position the cones so as to prevent people from driving in circles.  You can only get to the overlook while driving north on Eden Park and can only exit in the northbound direction. 


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« Reply #1357 on: July 05, 2017, 12:18:50 PM »
I was taking a night skyline shot from Bellevue Hill Park last year when a police cruiser rolled up and he informed me that that the park closed at 10 pm. I told him I was just there to take a photo and he responded basically, "yeah dude, I see your camera, just get out of here." I never had this happen to me before.
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« Reply #1358 on: July 05, 2017, 12:21:22 PM »
Bellevue Hill had a shooting in 2016.  The police hang out in the park quite a bit and sometimes set up a generator-powered light on Ohio Ave. 

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« Reply #1359 on: July 05, 2017, 02:23:05 PM »
They position the cones so as to prevent people from driving in circles.  You can only get to the overlook while driving north on Eden Park and can only exit in the northbound direction.

They position the cones so as to prevent people from turning left into or out of the park. The left turns were causing large backups (past Krohn Conservatory) and were becoming a big issue for traffic flow.

The Mayor held a "meet and greet" at a high-rise near the park and told the attendants he was doing everything he could to prevent motorcycle noise.... which, I'm not sure he has any power to prevent what people drive.

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« Reply #1360 on: July 05, 2017, 02:52:34 PM »
They position the cones so as to prevent people from driving in circles.  You can only get to the overlook while driving north on Eden Park and can only exit in the northbound direction.

They position the cones so as to prevent people from turning left into or out of the park. The left turns were causing large backups (past Krohn Conservatory) and were becoming a big issue for traffic flow.

The Mayor held a "meet and greet" at a high-rise near the park and told the attendants he was doing everything he could to prevent motorcycle noise.... which, I'm not sure he has any power to prevent what people drive.

Ohio has noise limits on motorcycles... so in theory the mayor could ask the police department to be more aggressive about enforcing those limits.

Here are the state laws: http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4513.221

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(a) When operated at a speed of thirty-five miles per hour or less, a maximum noise limit of eighty-two decibels;

(b) When operated at a speed of more than thirty-five miles per hour, a maximum noise limit of eighty-six decibels.

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« Reply #1361 on: July 05, 2017, 03:13:55 PM »
^ And, Cranley could ask the Police to ticket downtown drivers entering an intersection without a clear path to be able to exit that same intersection -- something that would help both the streetcar and people dealing with recent BSB-construction-related traffic backups.

More generally, Cranley and Black could decide to use their considerable power wisely to provide real benefits, and not to pander for money and votes.

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« Reply #1362 on: July 05, 2017, 03:35:20 PM »
I was taking a night skyline shot from Bellevue Hill Park last year when a police cruiser rolled up and he informed me that that the park closed at 10 pm. I told him I was just there to take a photo and he responded basically, "yeah dude, I see your camera, just get out of here." I never had this happen to me before.

I got two after hours park citations at Ault Park while I was in high school. I got them exactly a week apart by the same damn officer. The second time he was a total douche and said if he caught me again I'd have to come down to the district precinct and wash police cars with a toothbrush.

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« Reply #1363 on: July 05, 2017, 03:38:04 PM »
Ohio has noise limits on motorcycles... so in theory the mayor could ask the police department to be more aggressive about enforcing those limits.

Here are the state laws: http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4513.221

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(2) For motorcycles:

(a) When operated at a speed of thirty-five miles per hour or less, a maximum noise limit of eighty-two decibels;

(b) When operated at a speed of more than thirty-five miles per hour, a maximum noise limit of eighty-six decibels.

I did not know this existed. Thanks. However, the noise issues stem from 15 motorcycles driving by at the same time, rather than one being overly loud, so tough for them to do anything.

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« Reply #1364 on: July 05, 2017, 03:44:51 PM »
They position the cones so as to prevent people from driving in circles.  You can only get to the overlook while driving north on Eden Park and can only exit in the northbound direction.

They position the cones so as to prevent people from turning left into or out of the park. The left turns were causing large backups (past Krohn Conservatory) and were becoming a big issue for traffic flow.

The Mayor held a "meet and greet" at a high-rise near the park and told the attendants he was doing everything he could to prevent motorcycle noise.... which, I'm not sure he has any power to prevent what people drive.

Yeah, it would be nice if the city did something about the packs of loud motorcycles that cruise around Downtown and OTR, annoying everyone who lives there. But if Cranley can buy some votes from rich people in a condo tower near the park, he'll focus enforcement efforts there instead.
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