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Re: Cleveland Heights: Random Development News & Discussion
« Reply #175 on: December 21, 2013, 01:56:13 PM »
It's hard to explain exactly where this is in part because if you know that area a bit it doesn't look like it could possibly be developed.  Walk or ride by and it literally looks like no land exists to develop.

It will probably be built almost entirely on stilts like the other building. Seems very expensive to do, but it is a good sign that they find it worth it.

Yeah, but I think it's going to require an even more "daring" use of stilts. 

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« Reply #176 on: December 23, 2013, 02:18:00 PM »
Im not sure if this rendering has been posted yet, but I saw in the Cleveland Heights Observer that Cleveland Heights High School plans on removing the science wing and restoring the view of the original historic building.


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« Reply #177 on: December 23, 2013, 02:46:51 PM »
Wow.  I love the idea of removing the science/admin wing, which was a really ugly addition to an otherwise great building and destroyed the H shape.  But I don't like the notion of redesigning the courtyard.  I don't see how the redesign is any more useful..... and the old design contains so many fond memories for countless alumni.  Just looking at the above picture, the area where I ate lunch by the bell is gone, as is the ledge I sat on every day after school is gone too :(  I suppose it's better than my co-workers who are Cathedral Latin alums :P
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« Reply #178 on: December 23, 2013, 03:36:13 PM »
I don't think those renderings are official at all.  The only thing that has basically been promised is that the science wing will be removed.

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« Reply #179 on: December 24, 2013, 05:39:56 PM »
I'm sure the courtyard shown is quite speculative but that the drawing reflects the trends today for high schools. Note there are additions at the end of each wing and then, of course, more additions will be made to the original building. The windows will probably not look much like the mid-1920s, but it's nice to get the so-called Hampton Court Palace-influenced overall image back.  Very, very nice.

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« Reply #180 on: December 26, 2013, 10:49:11 AM »
^Are those new additions?  I don't believe so.  It seems like the design just includes the idea of punching new windows into the existing building on the SE and SW corners.  The main gym is in the SW corner, with the locker rooms, weight rooms, training rooms, etc. underneath.  I doubt they are going to rebuild all of that.  I can't remember exactly what is in the SE corner, but I seem to remember there being a pool (not the competition pool, which is upstairs on the north end), as well as the nurse's office..... I think the boiler room is somewhere around there as well.
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« Reply #181 on: December 29, 2013, 04:53:52 PM »
So you're saying those pieces at the ends added on to the 1920s wings shall remain from the modern science addition - that not the entire modern addition will be demolished after all.  I don't know the floorplan very well so I can't speak as to what is were in these sections.

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« Reply #182 on: December 29, 2013, 05:41:07 PM »
LA Front, yes the existing pool and gym added in the late 50s will remain. This includes a complete renovation of the original building as well correct? $80 million is a lot of money!
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« Reply #183 on: December 30, 2013, 12:11:36 AM »
Something is being done with the pool--it's either being extensively renovated or completely demolished and rebuilt.  If the latter is what ends up happening, I'm not sure it would necessarily be rebuilt in the same spot that it is now.  I don't know about the gym, I just know that several million will be going towards the pool because that was something that the anti-renovation group latched on to as a reason to vote down the buildings levy.

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« Reply #184 on: December 30, 2013, 10:02:21 AM »
Part of the plan is to make the pool more accessible to the community rather than just a pool for the high school students:

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The school swimming pool is too shallow for diving and too small for competition, forcing the diving team to practice at Cleveland State University. Plans for a new pool have drawn criticism, as a pool is outside state criteria for a multi-use space. Part of the proposed improvement plan includes improved community access to the pool, an entrance compliant with the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), family locker rooms and better noise control.

http://www.heightsobserver.org/read/2013/10/02/heights-high-tour-shows-facilities-that-bond-issue-would-renovate

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« Reply #185 on: December 30, 2013, 10:13:47 AM »
^^^I am not sure of the extent of the rennovations, but I know they are moving at least some of the HS students over to Wiley (once the middle school students are re-assigned) to allow room for the construction activities.

^So I guess the SE pool is used for the swim team?  I just don't remember that pool.  I know the swim cadets used the NW pool and I think that was the only swimming event I ever attended at the HS.
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« Reply #186 on: December 30, 2013, 03:08:21 PM »
^^^I am not sure of the extent of the rennovations, but I know they are moving at least some of the HS students over to Wiley (once the middle school students are re-assigned) to allow room for the construction activities.

I believe ALL middle school students in the district will attend Wiley for a period of a year or two.  I'm guessing that they're going to try to shoehorn as many high school students as possible into the facility when Heights is being renovated.

^So I guess the SE pool is used for the swim team?  I just don't remember that pool.  I know the swim cadets used the NW pool and I think that was the only swimming event I ever attended at the HS.

Yes, the SE pool has always been used by the swim team in "modern" times as far as I know.  It's much bigger than the NW pool is (was?) and was better for audiences.  I'm kind of surprised that you don't remember the SE pool...when I attended Heights during the late 1990s, all freshmen participated in a four or six week swimming module as part of the required first year physical education class (or possibly health, but most likely PE).  I remember also using the SE pool frequently while attending Heights Sports Camp run by Coach Hoon.

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« Reply #187 on: December 30, 2013, 03:37:04 PM »
I was at US for my entire freshmen year.  Don't ask.... one of those square peg, round hole things.  Regardless, iirc, you didn't have to take any PE courses if you played sports.  I know I never took one gym class while at Heights.

Isn't Wiley Middle School closing next year or the year after?  I thought the plan was to close Wiley as a middle school and then move the HS students over there while the rennovations at the HS are completed.

Coach Hoon?  The guy with the curly mustache?
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« Reply #188 on: December 30, 2013, 09:07:55 PM »
I was at US for my entire freshmen year.  Don't ask.... one of those square peg, round hole things.  Regardless, iirc, you didn't have to take any PE courses if you played sports.  I know I never took one gym class while at Heights.

Interesting.  Maybe you took one at US and it transferred?  I don't think Heights students had to take PE courses every year, but I know that at least one was required.  Though that athlete exemption also sounds vaguely familiar, I know for certain that my buddies on the hockey and soccer teams both had to take PE.  I remember it actually very well because they would come to Geometry class with wet hair reeking of chlorine telling me how terrible it was, as I would later find out.

Isn't Wiley Middle School closing next year or the year after?  I thought the plan was to close Wiley as a middle school and then move the HS students over there while the rennovations at the HS are completed.

This is Wiley's final year as a zoned middle school.  It will close and then itself be renovated to accommodate all high school students in the district.  Then later on it will accommodate all middle school students in the district.  It's being use as "swing space" while the other two middle schools and high school are being renovated.  I think that's the correct timeline, with the high school being done first followed by the two middle schools.

Coach Hoon?  The guy with the curly mustache?

Yeah, he was the iconic wrestling coach at Heights for over two decades.  He also taught PE I believe and ran the sports summer camp.  And I thought everyone knew about him, too.  Now I'm beginning to think you may need to turn in your "Hts" card and maybe just change your name to the less distinguishable "44121."  :laugh:
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« Reply #189 on: December 31, 2013, 09:45:58 AM »
Gimme a break.  It's been awhile and it was a big school.  Curly mustache guy was one of the football coaches too...... I just couldn't remember his name.

So let me get this straight because I had a friend who asked (his daughter is currently at Wiley) and I didn't know.  Wiley students will be split between Roxboro and Monticello next year?  Do all of the HS students move over to Wiley while the reno of the HS is done?  And then ALL of the middle school students move over to Wiley so they can renovate Roxboro and Monticello?

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« Reply #190 on: December 31, 2013, 11:17:03 AM »
a) Yes Wiley closes at the end of the year and the students will be split between Roxboro and Monticello.  That I know to be a 100% certainty.  I'm not sure if they've redrawn the boundaries, but I think they were supposed to talk about it earlier this month.

b) I'm not sure if all HS students will be at Wiley while Heights is being re-done because the stories I've read are unclear, but I assume that to be the case because I'm not sure where else they would go.

c) After Heights is finished, then all of the middle school students will be housed at Wiley while Roxboro and Monticello are renovated.

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« Reply #191 on: January 02, 2014, 02:19:31 PM »
Im not sure if this rendering has been posted yet, but I saw in the Cleveland Heights Observer that Cleveland Heights High School plans on removing the science wing and restoring the view of the original historic building.


I hope they do tear down that ugly extension.  Although, I hate Heights athletic teams, I think it's a gorgeous building.
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« Reply #192 on: January 02, 2014, 05:57:53 PM »
I thought there was a Cleveland Heights discussion but couldn't find it so I'll post here. What's the deal with the lack of a bowling alley in the Heights? I was looking to go to one and was surprised to find out that there aren't any.

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« Reply #193 on: January 02, 2014, 06:23:15 PM »
Now I'm all nostalgiac for the one that used to be in Cedar Center.

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« Reply #194 on: January 07, 2014, 08:14:50 AM »
Yes, School Board now saying all h.s. students are to be at Wiley.
MyTwoSense: As individuals wrote above, it looks like those "extensions" are what will remain and be remodeled of the so-called "Science Wing." I don't think they'll start athletic facilities from scratch at all. The building was gorgeous when it first opened. How it will all come out depends on how they handle the windows and other "improvements" over the years.  Attractive landscaping is shown but how much will actually materialize and how much respect will the students give it?

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« Reply #195 on: January 07, 2014, 09:40:59 AM »
Attractive landscaping is shown but how much will actually materialize and how much respect will the students give it?

What are you worried they might do?  Other than the piro who was there in the late 90's, I don't recall vanalism ever being much of an issue at the school.
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« Reply #196 on: January 11, 2014, 06:28:44 AM »
What is going on with the Cleveland Heights portion of the Oakwood property?  I have not seen anything news pertaining to this acreage at City Council meetings or in the "Sun Press." There were plans to construct a senior residential colony but what gives?

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« Reply #197 on: January 11, 2014, 04:45:52 PM »
I believe it is dedicated to park space.  You can probably find your answer somewhere back in the Oakwood thread
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« Reply #198 on: January 11, 2014, 06:01:10 PM »
Oakwood is zoned for large-lot single-family residential, but I would say a large-lot, single-family residential development is unlikely there.

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« Reply #199 on: January 11, 2014, 06:08:08 PM »
I don't think any official decision has been made about the CH portion of Oakwood.  What is known, however, as Vince pointed out above, is that zoning would need to be changed for First Interstate to execute their plans and thats unlikely considering the backlash they would be likely to face.  That's especially true now considering people have seen how FI pulled the wool over the eyes of South Euclid as these developers made back room deals to poach Walmart from CH.

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« Reply #200 on: January 12, 2014, 05:48:28 PM »
And then there's that whole crazy situation with the former Millikin School. What's the latest with that? The last I heard, after all the accolades about how win win the solution was for the Mosdos school to rent and renovate the building, I heard there was a big hassle and construction never began, etc. Haven't seen anything new in maybe four months.

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« Reply #201 on: January 12, 2014, 09:14:28 PM »
And then there's that whole crazy situation with the former Millikin School. What's the latest with that? The last I heard, after all the accolades about how win win the solution was for the Mosdos school to rent and renovate the building, I heard there was a big hassle and construction never began, etc. Haven't seen anything new in maybe four months.

Looks like Mosdos won't be moving in.  From other articles I've read, it appears that they received a higher than expected estimate to renovate the school, so they tried to get CH-UH to renegotiate the original lease agreement.  I guess that went nowhere and the district made other plans (as discussed in the following article).  Instead, the Heights Youth Theatre, formerly located at Wiley, will be moving in:

http://www.localjewishnews.com/2014/01/12/millikin-building-may-house-heights-youth-theatre-community-playground-may-also-be-built-on-millikin-property/

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« Reply #202 on: January 17, 2014, 04:02:35 PM »
I see this just made it into the Orthodox community's e-newsletter but not in other media yet, as far as I've seen.  Perhaps Cleveland Jewish News today?  However, I haven't seen it in the CJN's "Boker Tov" daily news items so probably not.  Anyway, this is important enough it should be announced in the Hts. papers right away.

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« Reply #203 on: March 23, 2014, 07:11:55 PM »

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« Reply #204 on: March 26, 2014, 06:37:36 PM »
I'm cautiously optimistic about BW3s in that area, but that signage--particularly the colors--just seems really out of place.

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« Reply #205 on: March 26, 2014, 06:51:29 PM »
I think it is a great fit for the space. 

I always get confused...... is Buffalo Wild Wings and what we used to call BW3's (i.e. the place that used to be above the old movie theatre at Euclid Hts/Coventry) the same restaraunt/bar?
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« Reply #206 on: March 26, 2014, 07:16:57 PM »
I think it is a great fit for the space. 

I always get confused...... is Buffalo Wild Wings and what we used to call BW3's (i.e. the place that used to be above the old movie theatre at Euclid Hts/Coventry) the same restaraunt/bar?

Yes. The BW3's nickname came from the original restaurant's name -- Buffalo Wild Wings & Weck.

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« Reply #207 on: March 26, 2014, 08:14:24 PM »
For the last quite a few years, everyone I know has called it "B-Dubs"

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« Reply #208 on: March 30, 2014, 10:09:46 PM »
I think it is a great fit for the space. 

I always get confused...... is Buffalo Wild Wings and what we used to call BW3's (i.e. the place that used to be above the old movie theatre at Euclid Hts/Coventry) the same restaraunt/bar?

BW3 = Buffalo Wild Wings.  However, I'm not sure they ever had a location on Coventry.  There used to be another wing place in the spot you're describing, but I can't remember what it was called.

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« Reply #209 on: March 30, 2014, 11:32:35 PM »
It was a BW3.  The space mightve been filled by abother wing joint at one time or another in its history, but no doubt was a BW3 in the 90's
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