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« Reply #140 on: October 18, 2013, 01:24:53 PM »
Once you take away Severance, the rest of the business districts in Heights are enviable compared to the rest of NEO.  Go and stand at the Taylor of Taylor and Cedar to see the difference in development strategies between CH and UH.

Thats one of my favorite things to show people when talking about the difference between Cleveland Hts and neighboring suburbs. Although you just have to drive a few blocks up Taylor to see that Cleveland Hts did the same exact thing with the strip center with Pizza Hut and Family Dollar. Parking out front, set far back from the road with a lawn at least the size of the parking lot, and right across from the gorgeous Taylor Tudors, apartments over street level retail spaces, right along the sidewalk. I feel like this city has been pretty bipolar in development.

BTW, does anyone know what use to be where that strip center is now? I hope it wasnt more Tudors like across the street... This has been bothering me since I moved here.

Not that University Heights has great development practices or anything, but part of the reason that corner looks the way it does is that it used to be a 6 way intersection, with diagonal streets coming in at both corners on the University Heights side.  They were cut off and redeveloped at a time when Cleveland Heights was building places like the strip plaza on Taylor, the apartments at Overlook and Coventry, and Severance Town Center (OK, I know they're a little past that period, but for the most part mindsets everywhere about development were still similar), so I'd say the reasons for what is at that corner are as much about the time period as they are about municipal boundaries.
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« Reply #141 on: October 18, 2013, 02:00:36 PM »
I completely forgot about the diagonal streets.  I certainly remember the one on the southeast corner, but I don't recall it going all the way to the intersection.  I remember it dead-ending into the parking lot of that convenient store which was on the corner and eventually torn down, along with some housing, for the current strip mall.
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« Reply #142 on: October 18, 2013, 03:20:25 PM »
I completely forgot about the diagonal streets.  I certainly remember the one on the southeast corner, but I don't recall it going all the way to the intersection.  I remember it dead-ending into the parking lot of that convenient store which was on the corner and eventually torn down, along with some housing, for the current strip mall.

This is all before I remember, but was the convenience store on the corner or next to where the diagonal street came in?  I was looking at historicaerials.com and the diagonals went through in the 1952 and 1962 imagery, but by 1970 the streets had been dead-ended, although the rights of way were still there and the sidewalks merged and ran down the middle of where the street used to be.  The next year they have is 2002, when of course the current plaza is already there.  The 1952 and 1962 images really show why nothing historic was ever near that corner, though.

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« Reply #143 on: October 18, 2013, 03:29:26 PM »
The convenience store faced Cedar but was set back with a small parking lot in the front.  The lot took up the actual "corner" of that intersection.  There were two entraces, iirc.  One was on Taylor and the other was from the diagonal street.  There might have been a tiny cut street/alley through which went to Cedar from where the street ended and between where the parking lot was and the building which housed the first incarnation of Alternative Care Car Solution (after the mechanics broke away from Motorcars).
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« Reply #144 on: October 27, 2013, 08:40:39 PM »
I completed renovated the storefronts of a building I own on Cedar Road.  I'm talking to two potential tenants, so fingers crossed they will be lease soon.

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Also, this building across the street just sold.  It sold for $500,000.  It previously sold for $1.2m in 2007.  I heard someone from NY bought it.

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« Reply #145 on: October 27, 2013, 10:23:02 PM »
Nice job smith! Keep us posted.
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« Reply #146 on: October 27, 2013, 11:33:36 PM »
Good luck! Building looks great.

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« Reply #147 on: October 28, 2013, 08:26:52 AM »
Looks terrific! 
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« Reply #148 on: October 28, 2013, 07:43:22 PM »
Oh you own that building?  I really hope you do end up bringing in some decent, long-term tenants to those spaces.  I thought that with Melt moving in to that corner and the Martini Skate and Snow store following them shortly after that it was going to be the start of a renaissance for that intersection, but it hasn't happened yet.

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« Reply #149 on: October 28, 2013, 07:45:46 PM »
Smith, I was going to comment on the building as I saw it last week.  It looks amazing.  Love the (your) nameplate.  Did you replace the brick? 
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« Reply #150 on: October 28, 2013, 08:12:06 PM »
Oh you own that building?  I really hope you do end up bringing in some decent, long-term tenants to those spaces.  I thought that with Melt moving in to that corner and the Martini Skate and Snow store following them shortly after that it was going to be the start of a renaissance for that intersection, but it hasn't happened yet.
Well by far the biggest challenge for me has been lack of parking in the neighborhood.  I think the spaces would have been leased out long ago if there was better parking.  Looks like one of my spaces is leased - it won't be long term and will be an office use.  I should be able to disclose in about a week.

Smith, I was going to comment on the building as I saw it last week.  It looks amazing.  Love the (your) nameplate.  Did you replace the brick? 
Ha, thanks.  I wasn't too keen on putting my name on a building.  Kind of egotistical but the person I was working with at the city suggested the original building owners name and mine.  I couldn't think of something better so I went with it.  And yes, all new brickwork.
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« Reply #151 on: October 29, 2013, 01:22:42 PM »
Oh you own that building?  I really hope you do end up bringing in some decent, long-term tenants to those spaces.  I thought that with Melt moving in to that corner and the Martini Skate and Snow store following them shortly after that it was going to be the start of a renaissance for that intersection, but it hasn't happened yet.
Well by far the biggest challenge for me has been lack of parking in the neighborhood.  I think the spaces would have been leased out long ago if there was better parking.

I always park in the shopping center lot to go to Melt.  Maybe you need more residents in the area rather than more parking.   Can you build up?

I expect that the dead space across Taylor isn't helping the neighborhood. 

The sidewalks aren't particularly wide in that area, so there isn't much opportunity for sidewalk cafes.  Plus the traffic is pretty heavy and fast (around 40mph) -- none of this is conducive to an enjoyable place for pedestrians.  Should narrow the street to one lane each way plus a turn lane, with curb bump-outs for pedestrians to make the street crossing shorter.  And narrow the lanes to 10' to slow traffic. 

Then someone needs to build up the east side of Taylor...  if only I had the means!  I'm sure you have your own wish list.

Best of luck and thanks for improving the storefronts!

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« Reply #152 on: October 29, 2013, 04:04:56 PM »
As it stands currently, that intersection is a disaster during rush hour and many other times of the day.  A big part of the problem is the street parking and a lack of a left turning lane.  I have no idea how they could possibly widen the sidewalk, add a turning lane, AND keep street parking.  Forget causing an even worse choke point; I don't think it would even be physically possible to do so.

As for parking, if no one is going to do anything about that old KFC building across the street (in University Heights), it should be torn down and made into a parking lot.  It already serves as a de facto overflow lot for Melt patrons.
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« Reply #153 on: October 29, 2013, 04:26:07 PM »
As it stands currently, that intersection is a disaster during rush hour and many other times of the day.  A big part of the problem is the street parking and a lack of a left turning lane.  I have no idea how they could possibly widen the sidewalk, add a turning lane, AND keep street parking.  Forget causing an even worse choke point; I don't think it would even be physically possible to do so.


Cedar's lanes appear to be about 10.5 to 11 feet wide. And it's not a state or federal route, right? So the through-traffic lanes can be narrowed to 10 feet with the parking lanes narrowed to nine feet. The sidewalks are separated from the street by a narrow strip of lawn. The lawn can be replaced with more sidewalk and some streetscape features.
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« Reply #154 on: October 29, 2013, 07:18:12 PM »
Cars should absolutely not be allowed to park on Cedar, northwest side of Taylor. Every time I drive by that mess I'm holding my breath.

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« Reply #155 on: October 29, 2013, 07:42:45 PM »
As it stands currently, that intersection is a disaster during rush hour and many other times of the day.  A big part of the problem is the street parking and a lack of a left turning lane.  I have no idea how they could possibly widen the sidewalk, add a turning lane, AND keep street parking.  Forget causing an even worse choke point; I don't think it would even be physically possible to do so.

As for parking, if no one is going to do anything about that old KFC building across the street (in University Heights), it should be torn down and made into a parking lot.  It already serves as a de facto overflow lot for Melt patrons.

I agree with KJP.  And I disagree that creating MORE parking at that intersection is going to help streetlife or bring in more businesses. 

As for parking, the parking lot on the southeast corner, at the strip mall, is never full.  Maybe it's not used to get to Melt because people don't feel safe walking from there to Melt.  What can we do about that?  Slow down the traffic and shorten the crossing distances would be a start.

Traffic problems are a legitimate concerns.  But I expect that what makes the traffic so bad is not the street parking (there is street parking on Lee Road, but the Cedar-Lee area is not hard to navigate).   I usually have trouble getting through that intersection because I never know whether there are cars parked in the outside lanes or not.  If there are, then there are probably other cars like mine trying to merge there that didn't expect to have to merge.  So they drive all the way up, come to a complete stop behind the last parked car, and then have to stop the rest of the traffic as they merge into a gap in the traffic.

In case there was any confusion, I didn't mean that we necessarily needed to or had room to widen the sidewalks -- just that the sidewalks already aren't very wide for pedestrians to hang out there.  By narrowing the street I meant just at the crosswalk.  Lee Road in the Cedar-Lee business district does this with sidewalk bump-outs in what could otherwise be an outside lane, while still allowing for plenty of parking.  This allows pedestrians to get out past the parked cars and see oncoming traffic, and for traffic to better see the pedestrians trying to cross the street, while also shortening the crossing distance.

Going back to the Cedar-Taylor intersection.  On Cedar, sometimes there are two westbound lanes, and sometimes one westbound lane whenever a single car is parked on the street.  A bumpout at the intersection would make the crossing shorter and safer for pedestrians and provide more consistency -- everyone would know that the road narrows there all the time.  That would eliminate drivers crossing the intersection and stopping in the crosswalk while waiting to merge to get around the occasional parked car.  Narrower lanes would slow down the traffic, and more consistent designated street parking would provide a more consistent buffer between the moving cars and people on the sidewalk (whether there are any parked cars or not).  A center turn lane would be helpful, but I don't recall whether there is room there.  I would like to see traffic that moves through the intersection and neighborhood more slowly but I think that if the traffic pattern is predictable the traffic will move through that intersection more smoothly.  I think that is the real traffic problem -- that traffic does not move smoothly through the intersection.  There probably isn't room for a roundabout either...


So if the parking lot at the southeast corner of the intersection is never full, building another parking lot on the KFC (northeast) corner is not going to bring in more customers to the businesses in the area.  I would like to see a mixed use office building with ground floor retail or small shops, built up to the street with parking in the rear.  I think that would really help that intersection more than another parking lot.  If it had offices, it would provide some pedestrian traffic at lunchtime -- since they just walk across the street to Melt or any of the other restaurants in the area, no additional parking would be required for the lunch crowd.  If it was apartments/condos, there would be more pedestrians during non-working hours, and again, those additional potential customers would not require added parking, beyond whatever is provided for the new building anyway.  It seems that making parking at the southeast corner more convenient and safe-feeling would give the property-owners (and the city) more bang for their buck than another parking lot.


Cleveland Heights probably cannot count on more people driving to Cleveland Heights to spend their money as the way to revive Cleveland Heights  (there will always be a better Walmart being built somewhere, or a nicer Legacy Village, and even if Severance were redesigned to be a destination like Legacy Village is now, it would not last long before the next new thing is built somewhere else).  Cleveland Heights needs to make it easier for Cleveland Heights residents to meet most of their needs in their neighborhoods, within walking distance.  The most successful parts of Cleveland Heights -- Cedar-Lee, Coventry, and Cedar-Fairmount in particular -- all seem to follow that pattern.  The one thing those neighborhoods are most lacking in my view is more office space -- so that there are more people working there during the day and frequenting the shops at lunchtime.  Still, these areas of the city seem to have survived various downturns better than the more car-reliant areas of the city, and that kind of development should be repeated throughout the city.

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« Reply #156 on: October 30, 2013, 05:00:55 PM »
First off, part of the problem with that intersection as mentioned before is that the east side of Taylor Road is all located within the boundaries of University Heights.  There does not seem to be much co-planning between CH and UH on what that intersection should look like.

In regards to all of the traffic calming ideas, another issue is that Cedar Road is a main thoroughfare from further east suburbs into University Circle and downtown.  I would love it if commuters traveling through that intersection were forced to slow down a bit and if the intersection as a whole became calmer, but I suspect that any efforts to do so would cause some major issues at certain times of the day.  Lee Road through Cleveland Heights has the luxury of being one-lane each direction (with a center turning lane and in some places street parking) because it is not as widely used by commuters.  It's no coincidence that many of the more pedestrian-friendly and calmer streets in the Heights are the ones running North-South, while many of the streets running East-West serve as opportunity (for faster commuting) corridors. ;)
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« Reply #157 on: October 30, 2013, 05:30:16 PM »
Check Mayfield Road in Little Italy. Cedar isn't a freeway. It isn't even a state or federal route like Mayfield. Should a neighborhood sacrifice its quality of life to those who are merely passing through it?
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« Reply #158 on: October 30, 2013, 09:27:37 PM »
Check Mayfield Road in Little Italy. Cedar isn't a freeway. It isn't even a state or federal route like Mayfield. Should a neighborhood sacrifice its quality of life to those who are merely passing through it?

Oh I agree with this line of thinking.  Do what's best for the neighborhood in the long-term, not for the commuters that bring nothing but pollution and headaches.  Many of them would probably shift over to Fairmount, anyways.  But I'm just thinking that such a change would create some serious issues--even for current area residents--in the short-term.

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« Reply #159 on: November 22, 2013, 03:46:33 PM »
Former Myxx/Jillian's Space to Open as BW3 Come Spring
"Since then, residents wondered what would replace it considering that the space, previously a Jillian's Billiard Club for 20 years, was roughly 10,000 square feet. Well, we have our answer. Come spring, the space will welcome a Buffalo Wild Wings."

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2013/11/22/former-myxxjillians-space-to-open-as-bw3-come-spring

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« Reply #160 on: November 22, 2013, 03:58:29 PM »
I wonder if there are still narcotica transactions in the back parking lot. They certainly were common there during the Jilians days.

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« Reply #161 on: November 22, 2013, 04:02:21 PM »
"narcotica"?  Was it the good stuff or just your average shwag?
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« Reply #162 on: November 22, 2013, 04:18:04 PM »
I really don't know, but it made for an interesting parking/leaving experience at times

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« Reply #163 on: November 22, 2013, 04:43:40 PM »
Former Myxx/Jillian's Space to Open as BW3 Come Spring
"Since then, residents wondered what would replace it considering that the space, previously a Jillian's Billiard Club for 20 years, was roughly 10,000 square feet. Well, we have our answer. Come spring, the space will welcome a Buffalo Wild Wings."

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2013/11/22/former-myxxjillians-space-to-open-as-bw3-come-spring

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« Reply #164 on: November 22, 2013, 05:07:47 PM »
I think it will do well in this location. Mainly I'm just happy to see that space finally filled. I'm tired of passing this empty building. Should add some additional life to the area.

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« Reply #165 on: November 23, 2013, 10:01:02 AM »
It's not BW3 anymore but Buffalo Wild Wings and some are located near college campuses. It should do well with all of the CWRU students living at the top of the hill.
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« Reply #166 on: November 23, 2013, 04:58:54 PM »
I was hoping that the space would be divided and more local/unique shops would move in.  Oh well, this isn't terrible and should do well in that neighborhood.  I just hope they don't have to have a cop working the door on cheap wing night like is necessary in Lyndhurst.

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« Reply #167 on: November 23, 2013, 09:18:43 PM »
Me and my boyfriend are really excited about this. We live right down the road and love BWW, but hate driving out to Lyndhurst (or Mentor since the service at Lyndhurst is always so crappy...). We will probably keep this location in business on our own lol

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« Reply #168 on: December 03, 2013, 11:24:24 AM »
A few new shops have opened in my building, Taylor Tudors, in the last few weeks. One, called "Is Fashion" sells what I'd call urban clothing, opened next to H&R BLock, the other is a ladies clothing store that looks pretty nice. No sign up for it yet. And another space has had alot of work going on inside. No signs or anything to indicate what it may be. And yet another suddenly appeared full of all sorts of furniture, though theres no sign of any work going on in it. The buildings recently came under new management, so glad to see its paying off!

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« Reply #169 on: December 20, 2013, 11:21:13 AM »
Does anyone know where this is?

Cleveland Heights City Council approves redevelopment deal for Edgehill Road property
http://www.cleveland.com/cleveland-heights/index.ssf/2013/12/cleveland_heights_city_council_48.html#incart_river_default

Might these be the lot next to the existing townhomes on the edge of Little Italy?
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« Reply #170 on: December 20, 2013, 11:23:10 AM »
^Yeah, from the clues in the article, I think it has to be the area just north of the existing townhouses on the hill up from LI.
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« Reply #171 on: December 20, 2013, 11:35:01 AM »
^^ Cool! I think Little Italy will see a lot of townhouse developments in the next decade. The ones there seem to have done very well and have extremely high selling prices. And they are even gaining value in this market.

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« Reply #172 on: December 20, 2013, 08:11:25 PM »
It's hard to explain exactly where this is in part because if you know that area a bit it doesn't look like it could possibly be developed.  Walk or ride by and it literally looks like no land exists to develop.

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« Reply #173 on: December 20, 2013, 08:13:19 PM »
It's hard to explain exactly where this is in part because if you know that area a bit it doesn't look like it could possibly be developed.  Walk or ride by and it literally looks like no land exists to develop.

It will probably be built almost entirely on stilts like the other building. Seems very expensive to do, but it is a good sign that they find it worth it.

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« Reply #174 on: December 21, 2013, 12:54:52 PM »
Does anyone know if there's a new potential development being discussed for the Lee/Meadowbrook triangle?  There was an RFP many menths ago, but I've neither seen nor heard anything.  I was devastated when the last project quickly fizzled out.  Totally disgusted.  What has anyone heard that might have any merit???

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