Author Topic: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News  (Read 1016083 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline YABO713

  • 629'-Rhodes State Tower
  • *****
  • Posts: 692
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5075 on: August 02, 2017, 02:24:10 PM »
Construction of the whole western section is way behind the rest.

I noticed that. I wonder if it is being done this way for structural purposes.
"They tell me of the River Cuyahoga in the Ohio territory; upon it a great city will emerge." - Correspondence of Thomas Jefferson in drafting 'Notes on the State of Virginia'

Offline freethink

  • 1450'-Willis Tower
  • *********
  • Posts: 1915
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5076 on: August 02, 2017, 03:56:37 PM »
Here are a few from their Facebook probably 2-3 weeks old.
live small  dream big

Offline lafont

  • 665'-Queen City Square
  • ******
  • Posts: 937
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5077 on: August 02, 2017, 04:00:13 PM »
Now I'm interested in the relatively small project Kertesz announced across the street, at 2925 Detroit.  It sure doesn't look like much now, but he's saying he wants three restaurants and a boutique.  I hope he keeps the building, as long as it's cleaned up.  I'm thinking the two former houses won't be around much longer.   Land way too valuable.


« Last Edit: August 02, 2017, 04:05:14 PM by lafont »

Offline KJP

  • Premium Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 37812
  • Rebuilding the cities that built America.
    • All Aboard Ohio
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5078 on: August 02, 2017, 04:36:09 PM »
I have it second hand from the OC Councilman that there is an 8-story hotel being planned along the south side of the red-line near W. 41st based upon the movement the Red Line Greenway project gets.

Does this item on this week's design review committee agenda have anything to do with the above?

ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS
Ordinance No. 870-17(Ward 3/Councilmember McCormack; Ward 14/Councilmember Cummins): Changing the Use, Height and Area Districts south of I-90 and north of Clark Avenue between West 41st Street and Fulton Avenue.
http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/08042017/index.php
"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for."-- Barack Obama

Offline tj111

  • 0'-Surface Lot
  • *
  • Posts: 24
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5079 on: August 02, 2017, 04:52:59 PM »
I have it second hand from the OC Councilman that there is an 8-story hotel being planned along the south side of the red-line near W. 41st based upon the movement the Red Line Greenway project gets.

Does this item on this week's design review committee agenda have anything to do with the above?

ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS
Ordinance No. 870-17(Ward 3/Councilmember McCormack; Ward 14/Councilmember Cummins): Changing the Use, Height and Area Districts south of I-90 and north of Clark Avenue between West 41st Street and Fulton Avenue.
http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/08042017/index.php

The parcel(s) that we were discussing were the ones hinted at earlier in this thread that are owned by the Cleveland Land Bank, North of 90, South of the Red-Line and east of 41st Street.  Although the subtext did seem like there was more interest in the area, I don't know any specifics about them.

Offline lafont

  • 665'-Queen City Square
  • ******
  • Posts: 937
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5080 on: August 02, 2017, 05:13:32 PM »
It would be nice if these Agendas would name the Cleveland streets correctly.  There is no "Fulton Avenue" in Cleveland - only Road and Parkway. Over and over again I've seen a reporter write "Cedar Road" in Cleveland and "Cedar Avenue" in Cleveland Heights -  and the like.

Offline clvlndr

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 5706
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5081 on: August 02, 2017, 06:27:43 PM »
I have it second hand from the OC Councilman that there is an 8-story hotel being planned along the south side of the red-line near W. 41st based upon the movement the Red Line Greenway project gets.

Does this item on this week's design review committee agenda have anything to do with the above?

ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS
Ordinance No. 870-17(Ward 3/Councilmember McCormack; Ward 14/Councilmember Cummins): Changing the Use, Height and Area Districts south of I-90 and north of Clark Avenue between West 41st Street and Fulton Avenue.
http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/08042017/index.php

The parcel(s) that we were discussing were the ones hinted at earlier in this thread that are owned by the Cleveland Land Bank, North of 90, South of the Red-Line and east of 41st Street.  Although the subtext did seem like there was more interest in the area, I don't know any specifics about them.

I'm confused.  Specifically what parcel of land are we talking about?  According to Google's map, there are several parcels of land in/around W. 41st, W. 49th and Freas Ave in the general description.  Also how is the Red Line Greenway at all driving such a project.  It seems like an odd place for a new hotel, and if one is planned, doesn't it seem there should be more emphasis in RTA building a new in-fill Rapid Station along the Red Line rather than merely allowing hotel guests direct access to the Red Line Greenway...  This doesn't make sense and needs to be clarified.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2017, 06:28:30 PM by clvlndr »

Offline PoshSteve

  • 629'-Rhodes State Tower
  • *****
  • Posts: 656
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5082 on: August 02, 2017, 07:54:23 PM »
^ I can't see your photo. Are you talking about the Snavely project? I'm pretty sure it will be getting another story. Currently it's at 4, but the renderings show 5 floors.

Hmm. Thought I found another option in the wake of being booted out of Photobucket, but I guess not.

Oh, that's great to know. I've always had it in my mind that it was only going to be 4. It will have an even better presence then in that case. They have certainly slowed down then. They had moved very quickly from floor to floor (at least on the eastern end) until now. They've been at this height for awhile now, at least comparatively so. 

Offline tj111

  • 0'-Surface Lot
  • *
  • Posts: 24
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5083 on: August 03, 2017, 09:59:27 AM »
I have it second hand from the OC Councilman that there is an 8-story hotel being planned along the south side of the red-line near W. 41st based upon the movement the Red Line Greenway project gets.

Does this item on this week's design review committee agenda have anything to do with the above?

ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS
Ordinance No. 870-17(Ward 3/Councilmember McCormack; Ward 14/Councilmember Cummins): Changing the Use, Height and Area Districts south of I-90 and north of Clark Avenue between West 41st Street and Fulton Avenue.
http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/08042017/index.php

The parcel(s) that we were discussing were the ones hinted at earlier in this thread that are owned by the Cleveland Land Bank, North of 90, South of the Red-Line and east of 41st Street.  Although the subtext did seem like there was more interest in the area, I don't know any specifics about them.

I'm confused.  Specifically what parcel of land are we talking about?  According to Google's map, there are several parcels of land in/around W. 41st, W. 49th and Freas Ave in the general description.  Also how is the Red Line Greenway at all driving such a project.  It seems like an odd place for a new hotel, and if one is planned, doesn't it seem there should be more emphasis in RTA building a new in-fill Rapid Station along the Red Line rather than merely allowing hotel guests direct access to the Red Line Greenway...  This doesn't make sense and needs to be clarified.

More specifically, there aren't many hotels in and around OHC as it is (except downtown), so this will fill some demand there.  This location is adjacent to 90 and a quick 5-minute commute downtown, close to newer development towards the western edge of OHC on Lorain avenue.  The greenway is just the icing on the cake to make this hotel possible in the eyes of the developer (to target bike commuters I believe).  It's the CLB land on 38th and Freas.

Offline clvlndr

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 5706
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5084 on: August 03, 2017, 10:10:32 AM »
^I get you, I just kind of find this location off the beaten path.  I still like the idea, explored with KJP, of a new Red Line Station near W. 41st Street (preferably btw W. 41st and 44th).. I think the location of the Cleveland Hostel, and the Hostel owner's plans for a new hotel up W. 25th nearer Detroit, to be more viable... But I won't snipe at any new hotel... the more rooms, the merrier. 

Offline KJP

  • Premium Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 37812
  • Rebuilding the cities that built America.
    • All Aboard Ohio
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5085 on: August 03, 2017, 10:24:07 AM »
The parcel(s) that we were discussing were the ones hinted at earlier in this thread that are owned by the Cleveland Land Bank, North of 90, South of the Red-Line and east of 41st Street.  Although the subtext did seem like there was more interest in the area, I don't know any specifics about them.

But I'm wondering if this is more of a zoning protection, in response to the hotel or long-rumored redevelopment of the historic buildings on Fulton next to the Red Line, to keep taller buildings from popping up south of the highway? If not, what is the motivation of this proposed zoning change at this location?
"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for."-- Barack Obama

Offline PoshSteve

  • 629'-Rhodes State Tower
  • *****
  • Posts: 656
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5086 on: August 03, 2017, 05:58:53 PM »
Well we talked it up into existence on here. Over the course of today the 5th floor has appeared on the eastern end of Snavely's Detroit/25th, and they have finally started the second floor on the western end.

Offline KJP

  • Premium Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 37812
  • Rebuilding the cities that built America.
    • All Aboard Ohio
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5087 on: August 08, 2017, 04:37:15 PM »
How Edge32 justifies its name (WITH PHOTO GALLERY)
August 08, 2017 UPDATED 4 HOURS AGO
STAN BULLARD   
REAL ESTATE

The six-story Edge32 is the most recent multifamily building to open on the apartment row that lower Detroit Avenue is becoming in Ohio City. At 3219 Detroit, the project by Willoughby-based Vintage Development Group draws attention for several reasons beyond its newness and the multimillion-dollar nature of such an investment.

..."This city has come a long way," Marous said. "Three years ago, the (prevailing apartment) rents would not have supported construction such as this. But we still have a ways to go to reach rents in other cities."

At Edge32, the suites cost from $1,245 for a one-bedroom, generally with 675 square feet of living space, to as much as $3,200 monthly for the largest two-bedroom two-bath suites, with 1,573 square feet of space.

With another 1,000 apartments going on the market in new and rehabilitated buildings this year in Cleveland, many worry about oversupply. Not Marous. He believes that if the city can add jobs the pace of multifamily construction could double in a few years. Vintage is already building another multifamily building at its Battery Park community in the Detroit-Shoreway neighborhood.

MORE:
http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170808/BLOGS14/170809808/how-edge32-justifies-its-name-with-photo-gallery
"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for."-- Barack Obama

Offline TBideon

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 2903
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5088 on: August 08, 2017, 05:16:42 PM »
This isn't a new development by any means, as it's been open for 5 years or so, but Ohio City Cigars on Lorain is a fantastic cigar lounge and deserves a lot of love. The membership dues aren't too bad (the lounge is free 12-4 on Sundays), there are a number of fun networking events, and they have pretty solid smoke-eaters so you don't leave too smoky. One of the better lounges I've ever visited frankly, though the selection is a little limited.


Offline viscomi

  • 408'-Kettering Tower
  • **
  • Posts: 170
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5089 on: August 08, 2017, 05:30:11 PM »
Edge32 looks much better than Mariners Watch, in my humble opinion. Nice work Vintage.

Online Mendo

  • 771'-Terminal Tower
  • *******
  • Posts: 1053
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5090 on: August 09, 2017, 12:29:38 PM »
Here are a couple pics taken last week of the "Clinton West" apartment building at 3007 Clinton Ave (http://www.clintonwestcle.com/).

Offline YABO713

  • 629'-Rhodes State Tower
  • *****
  • Posts: 692
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5091 on: August 09, 2017, 12:31:22 PM »
Here are a couple pics taken last week of the "Clinton West" apartment building at 3007 Clinton Ave (http://www.clintonwestcle.com/).

Looks beautiful. I think the brick respects the character of the neighborhood while contributing a new, modern look.
"They tell me of the River Cuyahoga in the Ohio territory; upon it a great city will emerge." - Correspondence of Thomas Jefferson in drafting 'Notes on the State of Virginia'

Offline KJP

  • Premium Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 37812
  • Rebuilding the cities that built America.
    • All Aboard Ohio
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5092 on: August 09, 2017, 12:57:17 PM »
Here are a couple pics taken last week of the "Clinton West" apartment building at 3007 Clinton Ave (http://www.clintonwestcle.com/).

Looks beautiful. I think the brick respects the character of the neighborhood while contributing a new, modern look.

Plus it's very reminiscent of the basic brick apartment blocks that are all over Cleveland and the inner-ring suburbs.
"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for."-- Barack Obama

Offline lafont

  • 665'-Queen City Square
  • ******
  • Posts: 937
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5093 on: August 09, 2017, 01:06:31 PM »
It's that beautiful Victorian next door that looks "funny," now....
« Last Edit: August 09, 2017, 01:08:10 PM by lafont »

Offline clvlndr

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 5706
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5094 on: August 09, 2017, 01:39:09 PM »
That building really went up fast.  It is kind of an update on the typical Cleveland walk-up apts that were built all over town in the early 20th century.

Offline Motorist

  • 367'-PNC Bank
  • **
  • Posts: 67
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5095 on: August 09, 2017, 02:27:56 PM »
Here are a couple pics taken last week of the "Clinton West" apartment building at 3007 Clinton Ave (http://www.clintonwestcle.com/).

Why does that look so familiar?

Offline lafont

  • 665'-Queen City Square
  • ******
  • Posts: 937
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5096 on: August 09, 2017, 04:24:54 PM »
Here are a couple pics taken last week of the "Clinton West" apartment building at 3007 Clinton Ave (http://www.clintonwestcle.com/).

Why does that look so familiar?

There's some veracity to this, but Edge 32 is not of this basic design - at least not the major highrise right on Detroit.  If one doesn't want this sort of building, there are all sorts of older buildings one can consider, including all the hundreds of older retrofitted buildings.  This can be said of all periods of the past century - e.g. apartment houses of the early '60s tend to look similar, also from the early '40s, the late '20s, etc.


Offline KJP

  • Premium Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 37812
  • Rebuilding the cities that built America.
    • All Aboard Ohio
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5097 on: August 10, 2017, 07:13:05 AM »
"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for."-- Barack Obama

Offline Motorist

  • 367'-PNC Bank
  • **
  • Posts: 67
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5098 on: August 10, 2017, 09:03:54 AM »
Here are a couple pics taken last week of the "Clinton West" apartment building at 3007 Clinton Ave (http://www.clintonwestcle.com/).

Why does that look so familiar?

There's some veracity to this, but Edge 32 is not of this basic design - at least not the major highrise right on Detroit.  If one doesn't want this sort of building, there are all sorts of older buildings one can consider, including all the hundreds of older retrofitted buildings.  This can be said of all periods of the past century - e.g. apartment houses of the early '60s tend to look similar, also from the early '40s, the late '20s, etc.


I disagree, I think Edge 32 looks exactly like this sort of design.  And while it's true that we don't have to live in them if we don't want to, we still have to look at these turds when we go about our lives in these neighborhoods.  they're the urban, multifamily equivalent of a McMansion.

Offline w28th

  • 1450'-Willis Tower
  • *********
  • Posts: 1694
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5099 on: August 10, 2017, 09:47:30 AM »
^Totally correct. The Tremont project at Fairfield and W11th, the Langston and Breakwater Bluffs are also of this ilk.
"When you stand at the corner of Euclid Avenue and East Ninth Street in Cleveland, you stand at one of the busiest corners in the world -- and in the heart of a shopping district known far and wide for its many fine shops."

Offline ethlaw

  • 367'-PNC Bank
  • **
  • Posts: 70
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5100 on: August 10, 2017, 09:57:05 AM »
Eh, I don't really have a problem with the design - and I'm usually pretty critical of bad architecture. The design is kinda basic and doesn't really stand out, but I also don't think every building needs to be something that stands out. I think this building will age much better than some of the other more "unique" new residential structures in this city. It does a good job of fitting in with its surroundings, which, on this street, I think is more important than standing out.

Offline YABO713

  • 629'-Rhodes State Tower
  • *****
  • Posts: 692
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5101 on: August 10, 2017, 10:00:17 AM »
Here are a couple pics taken last week of the "Clinton West" apartment building at 3007 Clinton Ave (http://www.clintonwestcle.com/).

Why does that look so familiar?

There's some veracity to this, but Edge 32 is not of this basic design - at least not the major highrise right on Detroit.  If one doesn't want this sort of building, there are all sorts of older buildings one can consider, including all the hundreds of older retrofitted buildings.  This can be said of all periods of the past century - e.g. apartment houses of the early '60s tend to look similar, also from the early '40s, the late '20s, etc.


I disagree, I think Edge 32 looks exactly like this sort of design.  And while it's true that we don't have to live in them if we don't want to, we still have to look at these turds when we go about our lives in these neighborhoods.  they're the urban, multifamily equivalent of a McMansion.

To that point. So many people I talk to absolutely HATE the new construction on Jay and West 30th; I love it, though.
"They tell me of the River Cuyahoga in the Ohio territory; upon it a great city will emerge." - Correspondence of Thomas Jefferson in drafting 'Notes on the State of Virginia'

Offline Motorist

  • 367'-PNC Bank
  • **
  • Posts: 67
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5102 on: August 10, 2017, 11:33:19 AM »
Here are a couple pics taken last week of the "Clinton West" apartment building at 3007 Clinton Ave (http://www.clintonwestcle.com/).

Why does that look so familiar?

There's some veracity to this, but Edge 32 is not of this basic design - at least not the major highrise right on Detroit.  If one doesn't want this sort of building, there are all sorts of older buildings one can consider, including all the hundreds of older retrofitted buildings.  This can be said of all periods of the past century - e.g. apartment houses of the early '60s tend to look similar, also from the early '40s, the late '20s, etc.


I disagree, I think Edge 32 looks exactly like this sort of design.  And while it's true that we don't have to live in them if we don't want to, we still have to look at these turds when we go about our lives in these neighborhoods.  they're the urban, multifamily equivalent of a McMansion.

To that point. So many people I talk to absolutely HATE the new construction on Jay and West 30th; I love it, though.
Is that the weird house with the sort of Victorian (?) detailing?  For the life of me, I cannot figure out what is going on with that house.  Were they trying to design a traditional home and couldn't quite figure it out?  Were they trying for some sort of interpretation of a traditional home and it didn't come off?  Was the client asking for and insisting on weird detailing (it happens)?  It is worth noting that the project does not make an appearance on the architect's website so I suspect that they aren't thrilled with the result. 

Offline jws

  • 367'-PNC Bank
  • **
  • Posts: 89
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5103 on: August 10, 2017, 12:55:45 PM »
Here are a couple pics taken last week of the "Clinton West" apartment building at 3007 Clinton Ave (http://www.clintonwestcle.com/).

Why does that look so familiar?

There's some veracity to this, but Edge 32 is not of this basic design - at least not the major highrise right on Detroit.  If one doesn't want this sort of building, there are all sorts of older buildings one can consider, including all the hundreds of older retrofitted buildings.  This can be said of all periods of the past century - e.g. apartment houses of the early '60s tend to look similar, also from the early '40s, the late '20s, etc.


I disagree, I think Edge 32 looks exactly like this sort of design.  And while it's true that we don't have to live in them if we don't want to, we still have to look at these turds when we go about our lives in these neighborhoods.  they're the urban, multifamily equivalent of a McMansion.

To that point. So many people I talk to absolutely HATE the new construction on Jay and West 30th; I love it, though.
Is that the weird house with the sort of Victorian (?) detailing?  For the life of me, I cannot figure out what is going on with that house.  Were they trying to design a traditional home and couldn't quite figure it out?  Were they trying for some sort of interpretation of a traditional home and it didn't come off?  Was the client asking for and insisting on weird detailing (it happens)?  It is worth noting that the project does not make an appearance on the architect's website so I suspect that they aren't thrilled with the result.

I always figured they just tried to mimick the house across the street but then, whoops, that didn't work out as planned. Overall I don't really mind the place. The actual scale of the structure is more or less in line with the neighborhood vernacular.

Offline PoshSteve

  • 629'-Rhodes State Tower
  • *****
  • Posts: 656
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5104 on: August 11, 2017, 05:33:04 PM »
Now that I've got my image hosting worked out, here are some updated photos of Snavely's project. Really fills it in and creates a nice little canyon being right flush with the sidewalk on Detroit.






Offline lafont

  • 665'-Queen City Square
  • ******
  • Posts: 937
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5105 on: August 13, 2017, 12:43:04 AM »
Several comments re above:
a) I don't see the similarities between Edge 32 and those photos.  Yes, the low section along West 32 Street is something like those, but the highrise on Detroit is much more angular.  Odd angles, in contrast to the boxy structures in the photos. I'm wondering if the streetscape in front of Edge 32 will be enhanced; thus far it is nothing but a sidewalk - no evidence of lightpoles coming nor trees or planters.  Dull.  These details are usually in place by the time a rental office is in business.
b) The newish house at Jay Avenue and West 30th resembles many post-2000 houses in the Chautauqua Institution - simplified Victorian vocabulary combined with new, Home Depot=style structural features.  I don't particularly go for this, but it's the same sort of concept ashave many of the recently constructed fill-in houses in Cleveland - onlya luxury version.
c) I wrote recently asking where the new apartments along Vine Court behind Clinton West could go, as I didn't see good space for them, and brush and trees towards Franklin Boulevard hadn't been cleared.  It now seems evident the complex will actually go immediately behind Clinton West - on the NORTH  side of Vine Court.  And yes, construction has indeed already begun, with excavation.
d) Please refresh my memory: There are two large, vacated sites between Detroit Avenue and the Shoreway: one north of West 38th Street and one in the West 50s.  I believe the high school had been on the vacated slope near West 38th, and an industrial building had been in the West 50s, to the south of those colorful new townhouses - correct?  Where is the new high school going to go?  And what is planned for the other site?

Offline StrapHanger

  • 2717'-Burj Khalifa
  • **********
  • Posts: 7566
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5106 on: August 13, 2017, 11:34:25 AM »
^The school (Max Hayes) was on the block just south of the colorful townhouses, between W45th and W49th.  Not sure which is the second site you are referring to.
[Typo correction]
« Last Edit: August 13, 2017, 01:55:37 PM by StrapHanger »
"Cleveland, as you see, is not an apple, but a bunch of grapes each of which has its own particular pattern-some large, others small, some round, others long and narrow, some sweet, others sour, some sound, others rotten throughout."  -Howard Whipple Green, 1932

Offline KJP

  • Premium Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 37812
  • Rebuilding the cities that built America.
    • All Aboard Ohio
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5107 on: August 13, 2017, 01:48:49 PM »
BTW, on Thursday I saw some earthmoving equipment behind Saigon Plaza, on the south side of Tillman between West 54th-58th. I assume this is the start of demolition/construction for Hawken School?
"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for."-- Barack Obama

Offline lafont

  • 665'-Queen City Square
  • ******
  • Posts: 937
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5108 on: August 13, 2017, 04:24:50 PM »
Can't miss it - between Detroit and Shoreway opposite around Weat 32nd to near The Harp near West 45th.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2017, 07:31:52 PM by lafont »

Offline KJP

  • Premium Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 37812
  • Rebuilding the cities that built America.
    • All Aboard Ohio
Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5109 on: August 13, 2017, 05:31:25 PM »
Can't miss it - between Detroit and Shoreway opposie around Weat 32nd to near The Harp near West 45th.

As Strap noted, it's the old Max Hayes site.
"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for."-- Barack Obama

Remove Ads