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« Reply #29890 on: July 07, 2017, 01:55:20 PM »
^It was running a limited schedule on the 4th of July too.  I saw one message board that said next train was in 40 minutes, which seemed to indicate that there was only a single streetcar making the loop all day.

The message boards were screwed up every time I walked or biked past one.  We're 10 months into this and they still are broadcasting all sorts of inaccurate information, or none at all. 

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« Reply #29891 on: July 07, 2017, 02:06:51 PM »
The city value engineered the system and decided to use radio signals instead of hard-wiring all of the stations. It's not that Metro/Transdev "can't figure it out", it's that the infrastructure is bad. Either hardwire the stations or switch the real time arrival signs to use cellular data instead of radio frequencies. It's a solvable problem that the Cranley administration won't solve.
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« Reply #29892 on: July 07, 2017, 02:47:43 PM »
The city value engineered the system and decided to use radio signals instead of hard-wiring all of the stations. It's not that Metro/Transdev "can't figure it out", it's that the infrastructure is bad. Either hardwire the stations or switch the real time arrival signs to use cellular data instead of radio frequencies. It's a solvable problem that the Cranley administration won't solve.

I know nothing about radio, but is it possible that they are trying to go from the cars to the individual stations at the most direct (thru buildings) route? If so can they change it to hop from one station to the next since they are pretty much in site of each other or at least put repeaters (again, I know nothing) in the blind spots?Are they only tweaking the software and not the hardware? Crazy.

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« Reply #29893 on: July 12, 2017, 11:55:33 PM »
Streetcar ridership is up, but Torbeck-led committee struggles to find marketing money

The latest ridership numbers for the Cincinnati Bell Connector streetcar show the number of people boarding was up in June, but the chairman of a committee set up to improve its operations remains concerned that the project has little money for marketing.

Ted Torbeck, the chairman and former CEO of Cincinnati Bell who leads the committee, believes the $148 million project needs marketing help to boost ridership and because it is a best practice in other cities with streetcars. But the City Council, which sets the budget for the project, did not include enough money for marketing when it approved the spending and revenue plan in June.

“We need someone who gets up every morning and thinks about how to improve ridership,” Torbeck said. “If other cities see it as that important, Cincinnati ought to see it as that important.”

Council approved a $4.4 million budget on June 21, but Southwest Ohio Regional Transit Authority officials do not believe it will accommodate more than $100,000 in proposed marketing costs, including one employee devoted to the effort.

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« Reply #29894 on: July 13, 2017, 08:01:29 AM »
The bottom line is that Cincinnati Bell stepped up and agreed to put a lot of money into the streetcar. Then the city (based on Kevin Flynn's proposal) slashed the streetcar budget to the bare minimum... less money for marketing, less money for security, less money for overhead, etc. If I were Torbeck, I'd be mad too. Kevin Flynn was the council member that flipped and supported finishing the streetcar, and now he doesn't want to properly fund it?
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« Reply #29895 on: July 13, 2017, 08:55:53 AM »
Honestly, the streetcar doesn't need a marketing budget. If they increase frequency and decrease delays, they will increase ridership. Put money toward making it reliable and efficient, and you won't need to market for it. Not sure what kind of marketing they want to do.
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« Reply #29896 on: July 13, 2017, 09:14:48 AM »
I found this bit from the article to be the most interesting and useful: "The city’s transportation director, Michael Moore, said a contract for a long-awaited study of downtown’s traffic and pedestrian grid, is expected to be awarded this summer. The goal of the study is to optimize downtown’s traffic signals to ease the flow of cars, people and transit through the urban core. Such a study has not been done in more than two decades. The work probably won’t be done until the fourth quarter of 2017, with implementation of changes coming in early 2018, a year behind schedule."

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« Reply #29897 on: July 13, 2017, 10:02:59 AM »
^Yeah, no doubt Cranley pushed it back so that no improvements could appear during campaign season. 

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« Reply #29898 on: July 13, 2017, 10:08:21 AM »
I found this bit from the article to be the most interesting and useful: "The city’s transportation director, Michael Moore, said a contract for a long-awaited study of downtown’s traffic and pedestrian grid, is expected to be awarded this summer. The goal of the study is to optimize downtown’s traffic signals to ease the flow of cars, people and transit through the urban core. Such a study has not been done in more than two decades. The work probably won’t be done until the fourth quarter of 2017, with implementation of changes coming in early 2018, a year behind schedule."


The silver lining for this delay is that most of the Lytle Tunnel work and BSB bridge work will be finished or finishing up by the time it starts. So they may have a mostly normal downtown traffic pattern to study.
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« Reply #29899 on: July 13, 2017, 12:08:46 PM »
Honestly, the streetcar doesn't need a marketing budget. If they increase frequency and decrease delays, they will increase ridership. Put money toward making it reliable and efficient, and you won't need to market for it. Not sure what kind of marketing they want to do.

Flynn's cuts also drastically reduce the streetcar's security budget. You can pretty much ride without paying the fare because there will almost never be an office on board to check tickets. Thanks, Kevin!
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« Reply #29900 on: July 13, 2017, 12:13:35 PM »
How often should there be an officer on board to check tickets?  Isn't the whole point of it that you are incentivized to buy a ticket due to the fine and also to speed up boarding times when compared to a bus?   Either we want quick boarding or everyone checked but lets not play both sides for political reasons.

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« Reply #29901 on: July 13, 2017, 12:17:10 PM »
Flynn's cuts also drastically reduce the streetcar's security budget. You can pretty much ride without paying the fare because there will almost never be an office on board to check tickets. Thanks, Kevin!

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« Reply #29902 on: July 13, 2017, 12:17:39 PM »
^^The officers check tickets while the streetcar is moving. They aren't stopping people from boarding. So having officers checking tickets doesn't slow anything down. I also don't think anyone is advocating having someone check tickets on every streetcar at all times.
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« Reply #29903 on: July 13, 2017, 12:18:59 PM »
Yeah, exactly, it's not like a bus where everyone shows their tickets when they get on. An officer is on board and periodically will walk through and ask everyone to show their tickets. Similar to how many commuter rail systems work.
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« Reply #29904 on: July 13, 2017, 12:24:41 PM »
^^The officers check tickets while the streetcar is moving. They aren't stopping people from boarding. So having officers checking tickets doesn't slow anything down. I also don't think anyone is advocating having someone check tickets on every streetcar at all times.

Streetcar opponents advocate for it since having someone do that all the time is really expensive, combative, and it suits their narrative of poors fare-jumping all the time.
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« Reply #29905 on: July 13, 2017, 12:25:51 PM »
According to John Schneider, Flynn's cuts reduce spending on onboard security, parking enforcement, ticket machine maintenance, the app, and IT infrastructure. Because apparently the ticket machines are so good right now that we don't need to invest any money into maintaining or improving them. Get ready for more blockages, more fare evasion, and more inaccurate arrival time screens. Thanks, Kevin!
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« Reply #29906 on: July 13, 2017, 01:45:34 PM »
I spent two months in Denmark, taking the train daily, and I think there was only ever one fare check.  While traveling around the rest of Europe for a month, taking buses, subways, and streetcars everywhere, there were only three fare checks, two of which were in Munich.

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« Reply #29907 on: July 13, 2017, 01:49:35 PM »
Statistically speaking "almost never" is how often you want someone checking tickets.  Maybe slightly more often initially. How often has anyone had a ticketed checked on a system that self validates?  I'm guessing we are doing it here a lot more than other places do.

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« Reply #29908 on: July 13, 2017, 03:19:26 PM »
If anyone is curious where City Council candidate Cristina Burcica stands on the issue of the streetcar, she has posted this statement on her Facebook page:

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I am against the wasting of our money. We have a strong history of trains but only one was left at Union Terminal. When it opened in 1933, Cincinnati Union Terminal was widely hailed as an artistic,architectural, and organizational marvel. The station was designed to accommodate 17,000 passengers and 216 trains a day. Today trains are our first priority in our independent platform for the best interest of everyone because the streetcar is considered not a good business/service. I am against those that promote a 2nd phase without understanding the expenses and suffering they are creating. I am against self centered individuals that rise to power on the work of others. Right now a small loop of a few miles does nothing for all 52 neighborhoods while costing over $140k million. It caters to a special category of individuals downtown and it doesn't help all our communities to prosper. They will come to us to tell us we need to spend more money! Our money! Those are the irresponsible individuals that rise to power for their personal needs and greed.
What will help the mess downtown is individuals that will implement plans in the best interest of all citizens. Raising taxes on people is just an inhuman way to revitalize something that hasn't been able to be revitalized for the last 20 years. Those "advocates" are the ones not able to understand what intelligent and humane leadership is all about in transportation.

Ummm.... wow...
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« Reply #29909 on: July 13, 2017, 04:41:37 PM »
If anyone is curious where City Council candidate Cristina Burcica stands on the issue of the streetcar, she has posted this statement on her Facebook page:

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I am against the wasting of our money. We have a strong history of trains but only one was left at Union Terminal. When it opened in 1933, Cincinnati Union Terminal was widely hailed as an artistic,architectural, and organizational marvel. The station was designed to accommodate 17,000 passengers and 216 trains a day. Today trains are our first priority in our independent platform for the best interest of everyone because the streetcar is considered not a good business/service. I am against those that promote a 2nd phase without understanding the expenses and suffering they are creating. I am against self centered individuals that rise to power on the work of others. Right now a small loop of a few miles does nothing for all 52 neighborhoods while costing over $140k million. It caters to a special category of individuals downtown and it doesn't help all our communities to prosper. They will come to us to tell us we need to spend more money! Our money! Those are the irresponsible individuals that rise to power for their personal needs and greed.
What will help the mess downtown is individuals that will implement plans in the best interest of all citizens. Raising taxes on people is just an inhuman way to revitalize something that hasn't been able to be revitalized for the last 20 years. Those "advocates" are the ones not able to understand what intelligent and humane leadership is all about in transportation.

Ummm.... wow...

Lol that's a very angry and misguided person.

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« Reply #29910 on: July 16, 2017, 04:35:06 PM »
What?? I don't get it.  Does she think there's a trade off between trains and streetcars, like the city has funds stashed somewhere that can be spent on one or the other but not both? Most people who support trains also like streetcars because in most cities that have both, streetcars take passengers to train stations!  Somebody please buy her an escorted trip/tour to Union Station in Toronto!🚃🇨🇦

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« Reply #29911 on: July 16, 2017, 07:00:22 PM »
^ Wow, someone actually posted that online? What a poorly written statement.

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« Reply #29912 on: July 19, 2017, 10:54:48 PM »
Thank you, sir.

Streetcar project director leaving Cincinnati for out-of-state job



After many years in Cincinnati, the "streetcar czar" is moving on.

John Deatrick, who for the past three years oversaw the Cincinnati streetcar project, will begin a new job in Maryland in August, the Enquirer reports.

Deatrick had applied to replace Cincinnati Parks Director Willie Carden Jr., who retired this year. But the Cincinnati Park Board instead chose Wade Walcutt, former parks director in Greensboro, N.C., for the position. Walcutt started with Cincinnati Parks this week.

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« Reply #29913 on: Yesterday at 12:25:18 AM »
Thank you, sir.

Streetcar project director leaving Cincinnati for out-of-state job



After many years in Cincinnati, the "streetcar czar" is moving on.

John Deatrick, who for the past three years oversaw the Cincinnati streetcar project, will begin a new job in Maryland in August, the Enquirer reports.

Deatrick had applied to replace Cincinnati Parks Director Willie Carden Jr., who retired this year. But the Cincinnati Park Board instead chose Wade Walcutt, former parks director in Greensboro, N.C., for the position. Walcutt started with Cincinnati Parks this week.

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/07/19/streetcar-project-director-leaving-cincinnati-for.html

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« Reply #29914 on: Yesterday at 09:47:58 AM »
Deatrick was abuptly fired by the city at the end of 2016. (They should've kept him on to fix the remaining problems with the streetcar, but of course this city administration wouldn't do that...) Then Cranley ran a commercial blasting Deatrick during the mayoral primary campaign season. That's a pretty disgusting move on Cranley's part... Deatrick is not a politician, he's a private citizen who served his city and delivered the streetcar project to us ahead of schedule and under budget.

Best of luck to John, hopefully the city administration in his new home will appreciate him for his skills and abilities.
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