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Re: Cleveland: Flats East Bank
« Reply #6335 on: July 30, 2017, 03:35:44 PM »
Wasn't a SID being considered for the area to help with localized costs such as clean up and extra security?

Yes, and city council approved it in February 2015, but Mayor Jackson vetoed it.
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« Reply #6336 on: July 30, 2017, 07:07:16 PM »
Why?
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« Reply #6337 on: July 30, 2017, 10:32:59 PM »
Why?

The district would have been funded by an additional sales tax at all the restaurants at FEB, and apparently the mayor didn't want to raise taxes, so he vetoed it. The developers never got a clear answer from City Hall about it and were kind of dumbfounded
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« Reply #6338 on: July 31, 2017, 01:43:44 AM »
Why?

The district would have been funded by an additional sales tax at all the restaurants at FEB, and apparently the mayor didn't want to raise taxes, so he vetoed it. The developers never got a clear answer from City Hall about it and were kind of dumbfounded

Why couldn't all the businesses just band together and say, we're all going to add a 1% "fee" to our checks to pay for this?
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« Reply #6339 on: July 31, 2017, 03:30:34 AM »
Because someone wouldn't, but they would get all the benefits.  Then everyone would decide they shouldn't have to pay, either.  Then there would be no SID.

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« Reply #6340 on: July 31, 2017, 09:34:41 AM »
^ no, you get some, but not all the benefits. you get things like cleanup, events activities and neighborhood improvements and the like, but if you dont sign on as a member of a non-profit neighborhood business and property owner bid you get no say in what they do. how much they can do depends upon how much interest there is in the bid. sometimes they lag or fade away, but also sometimes they grow, even temporarily, like if they want to do a big project like rebuild a plaza or fund an event or something.
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« Reply #6341 on: August 05, 2017, 04:41:54 PM »
Utterly utterly utterly blown away by the Flats today. Holy S**t there is a beach bar too?

All it needs is a coffee shop and cigar shop.

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« Reply #6342 on: August 05, 2017, 05:58:13 PM »
Utterly utterly utterly blown away by the Flats today. Holy S**t there is a beach bar too?

All it needs is a coffee shop and cigar shop.

I think FEB is having an arts festival today... It's really hot now; crowded every weekend.  The next step is to get some retail down there.

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« Reply #6343 on: August 05, 2017, 06:11:19 PM »
Take pics so can be utterly blown away.....please

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« Reply #6344 on: August 05, 2017, 11:18:31 PM »
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« Reply #6345 on: August 05, 2017, 11:21:05 PM »
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« Reply #6346 on: August 05, 2017, 11:22:06 PM »
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« Reply #6347 on: August 06, 2017, 10:11:56 AM »
Well guys, getting a bit disheartened. Another GREAT experience at FEB, bar hopping with friends from out of town. However, towards the end of the night, the area got seedy to say the least. There was a fight between two women in front of Punch Bowl Social which no one broke up. And our walk back to the Perry Payne Building was marred with several aggressive cat calls at the women in our group from people in front of the East Bank Bar.

The need for extra security is apparent. We have a great atmosphere going on down there, and we can't let a**holes ruin it.
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« Reply #6348 on: August 06, 2017, 12:15:04 PM »
At Ale Fest yesterday, we were talking with a guy who said he lives in the new apartment building. I asked him about talk of there being alot of empty units there. He said there are some right now, but they seem to just be part of the normal flow of people moving in and out.

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« Reply #6349 on: August 06, 2017, 12:42:33 PM »
Not sure security is going to deter drunk idiots doing cat calls. Maybe we just need less d bags patronizing our establishments

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« Reply #6350 on: August 06, 2017, 12:52:53 PM »
26 vacancies as of 8/22/17, so 215/241= 89% occupancy

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« Reply #6351 on: August 06, 2017, 12:55:20 PM »
Not sure security is going to deter drunk idiots doing cat calls. Maybe we just need less d bags patronizing our establishments

Don't think they were drunk, to be completely honest. I think they were loitering rather than patronizing a bar
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« Reply #6352 on: August 06, 2017, 01:15:36 PM »
26 vacancies as of 8/22/17, so 215/241= 89% occupancy

Is that 26 truly empty units, or 26 listed as available? Because, as many including myself have pointed out before, those two things are not synonymous.
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« Reply #6353 on: August 06, 2017, 02:13:24 PM »
26 vacancies as of 8/22/17, so 215/241= 89% occupancy

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« Reply #6355 on: August 16, 2017, 12:26:36 PM »
... I just thought this may be that magical Phase 3 post... darn!

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« Reply #6357 on: September 06, 2017, 04:51:15 PM »
^Nice to see the boarded up storefronts coming to life.  The new Backyard Bocce spot looked busy this past weekend.

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« Reply #6358 on: September 13, 2017, 08:25:21 PM »
Heads up, just heard that Happy Dog will be opening next to Dante's.

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« Reply #6359 on: September 13, 2017, 09:22:17 PM »
I could be wrong on this, but isn't FEB finally 100% leased on all the retail?

When can we expect to hear the Phase 3 announcement?

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« Reply #6360 on: September 13, 2017, 09:34:14 PM »
Heads up, just heard that Happy Dog will be opening next to Dante's.

THIRSTY Dog is supposed to open next to Dante but close :)

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« Reply #6361 on: September 13, 2017, 10:16:54 PM »
Heads up, just heard that Happy Dog will be opening next to Dante's.

THIRSTY Dog is supposed to open next to Dante but close :)

Supporting PoshSteve on this: This week's Crain's piece on the Dante's Inferno pizza opening (which I just checked again) does, indeed, refer to the coming, adjacent tenant as "HAPPY Dog" though I can only assume they mean the previously announced "Thirsty Dog".

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« Reply #6362 on: September 13, 2017, 10:22:54 PM »
I could be wrong on this, but isn't FEB finally 100% leased on all the retail?

When can we expect to hear the Phase 3 announcement?

I believe one never-leased spot between Dante's and Magnolia remains - plus the Willeyville spot.

I have seen, in past lease maps, a Kilwin's chocolate/ice cream shop on the FEB map, as I often see in resort type places.  Though real retail is preferred vs another bar or restaurant, a place like Kilwin's or the Peace, Love, and Little Donuts mini-chain from places like Kent might be a good "treat" fit.

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« Reply #6363 on: September 14, 2017, 01:09:01 AM »
When did Willeyville close?

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« Reply #6365 on: September 14, 2017, 09:10:04 AM »
When did Willeyville close?

Back in November.

Portside has also closed:

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/09/portside_brewery-distillery_in.html


Coincidental that both these places were on the "back side" of the FEB development.  Minimal exposure

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« Reply #6366 on: September 14, 2017, 09:13:19 AM »
When did Willeyville close?

Back in November.

Portside has also closed:

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/09/portside_brewery-distillery_in.html


Coincidental that both these places were on the "back side" of the FEB development.  Minimal exposure

good point.  Portside I feel was in an even more "remote" location than Willeyville.  I think that people heading to the Flats will want to be on the waterfront and these locations don't provide that experience.

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« Reply #6367 on: September 14, 2017, 09:39:51 AM »
How is Flipside doing? Since we are talking about places that lack exposure I forgot this was here until I was on the elevated portion of the WFL heading to the Browns game.

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« Reply #6368 on: September 14, 2017, 09:49:12 AM »
How is Flipside doing? Since we are talking about places that lack exposure I forgot this was here until I was on the elevated portion of the WFL heading to the Browns game.

I was there last weekend... Crowded 11:30-1:30 and then again 5:30-8:30, but it dies out after that, unlike the other spots down there. They're not really targeted to that crowd, though, as they close at 10 on weekends.
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« Reply #6369 on: September 14, 2017, 09:52:25 AM »
Do they get any lunch business during the week? 

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