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Re: Cleveland: Flats East Bank
« Reply #525 on: July 28, 2006, 09:07:53 PM »

If plans for redevelopment fail, Cimperman said he fears for the future of the Flats. "The status quo right now is a death spiral."


Seriously... a death spiral?
You've got tot be kidding.
Is he over generalizing, or am I misinterpreting this statement?
I agree "death spiral" is way over the top. What about the west Bank?? What about those of us that already  live in the death spiral? gee thanks.   JC needs to explain.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats East Bank
« Reply #526 on: July 29, 2006, 12:28:37 PM »
The only part of the Flats in a death spiral is the part that Wolstein owns and wanted to have declared blighted.
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« Reply #527 on: July 29, 2006, 02:59:56 PM »
just a thought, if this project does not move forward, would all the proposed projects that developers came out with AFTER THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF WOLSTEINS, move forward?  Especially Lighthouse Landing.
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« Reply #528 on: July 31, 2006, 08:20:06 AM »
The intelligence factor of Cimperman's quotes have been in a 'death spiral'

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« Reply #529 on: August 09, 2006, 01:46:28 PM »
Notes from Flats Oxbow

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Design Review Meeting & 7/5/06

The Design Review Committee passed the façade & signage for Larry Flint’s Hustler Club @ 1041 Old River Road as originally presented on June 20, 2006 and approved it on July 5, 2006 when the applicant presented the additional information the Committee sought.  The Design Review Committee further advised the applicant that any changes to the buildings on Front Street would be considered new submissions to Design.

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New Project News – So, What’s New?
by Jessica G. Dunn, Strnisha Development Advisors

Scott Wolstein’s Flats East Bank project has a new partner.  The redevelopment team will be working with Building Cleveland by Design to explore ways to incorporate art, park design, and sustainability into the $230 million project.  Building Cleveland by Design, managed by ParkWorks and Cleveland Public Art, has been awarded a two-year, $440,000 grant from the George Gund Foundation to provide resources and expertise in these areas to regional development projects.

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Patrol Officer John Hategan of the 2nd District presented a traffic plan for the West Bank.   (Sergeant James O’Malley wrote the plan but could not be in attendance today.)

Purpose
During recent West Bank of the Flats details, heavy traffic led us to determine that the current traffic patterns may be outdated and in need of review. Gridlock is a common occurrence during busy weekends and special events and with the increase of residential properties in the area, we feel that if changes were made, emergency services could respond in an efficient, safe manner without the constant monitoring and street closing by law enforcement at key intersections. It is our opinion that some or all of the below changes could be effective:

Proposal:

1.   Make Center and Main a four way stop intersection. This would assist in traffic flow and create a safe option for entering Main Ave. Several obstructions from parked cars and hills lead to a traffic hazard.
2.   Place stop signs at Main & Elm, creating a three way stop intersection to assist in traffic flow.
3.   Make Elm St. one way North from Elm to River St.
4.   Make Center St. one way south from River to Main Ave.
5.   Make Hemlock one-way East from Mulberry to Elm St.
6.   Make Spruce one-way West from Elm St.

The addition of one-way streets would allow law enforcement to maintain a safe flow of traffic and would assist if street closures are needed.

Essentially, it’s easier to close and secure a one-way street than a two way street. Less officers and cars are needed. This allows other officers to enforce traffic laws and maintain police visibility in the area.

(NOTE: This type of closure is often utilized when traffic backs up so that emergency services can proceed to an assignment without undue interruption.)

Special Issues / Considerations

1.   Parking on these streets would need to be reviewed. Permitting curb parking in areas previously restricted may be necessary.

2.   The width of Elm and Center streets would need to be considered. They are basically wide streets when the curbs are clear. We would not want to create an opportunity for drag racing or illegal passing. Painting solid lines or lane markings to force “one lane” may resolve this issue.

River Street would need to remain a two way street due to the mines. NO OUTLET signs at Center and River may be needed.
Summary

These recommendations come after several years of maintaining traffic in these areas during heavy traffic times and would assist law enforcement in effectively maintaining a safe traffic flow for public safety and emergency response.

There were questions on how long it would take to implement the plan.

Commissioner Rob Mavec (City of Cleveland – Traffic Engineering) had a suggestion to limit the times to only late evening early morning. The majority of people in attendance agreed that it should be 24/7.  Commissioner Mavec said he would meet with Sergeant O’Malley. This could possibly be in place by next weekend.
There was a request for speed limit signs on the viaduct.

Rhona Allen requested a Handicap sign for in front of her shop on Old River Rd.  There will be a meeting at the Imrov on August 2, 2006 at 9am regarding the W. 28th/W. 25th/Washington/Division area by ODOT.


I wonder why nobody brought up public transportation, or the proposed elevator to the viaduct.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats East Bank
« Reply #530 on: August 09, 2006, 01:49:55 PM »
I was hoping that there was some news regarding some final land acquisitions. :(

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Re: Cleveland: Flats East Bank
« Reply #531 on: August 09, 2006, 02:19:32 PM »
So, if Wolstien gets all east bank properties, will Larry Flint find his way up to the warehouse district?  :|
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« Reply #532 on: August 09, 2006, 02:44:34 PM »
^ hopefully one of the vacant e4 properties.  closer to businesses and hotels, what could be a better location?
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« Reply #533 on: August 09, 2006, 02:53:46 PM »
^I'd kind of like to keep the Hustler stuff on the fringes of downtown. If they want problems, they'd put it next to the gay bathhouse.  Overly-zealous hetero males are strangely offended by the homo lifestyle.

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« Reply #534 on: August 09, 2006, 02:53:49 PM »
^ ..... what could be a better location?

Your street??  LOL
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« Reply #535 on: August 09, 2006, 02:54:25 PM »
Overly-zealous hetero males are strangely offended by the homo lifestyle.

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« Reply #536 on: August 09, 2006, 03:07:15 PM »
I was thinking the old Moda space would be perfect!

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« Reply #537 on: August 09, 2006, 03:09:45 PM »
I was thinking the old Moda space would be perfect!

By the way, we did see someone (a painter?) working in the Moda space two nights ago.

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« Reply #538 on: August 09, 2006, 03:16:37 PM »
I was thinking the old Moda space would be perfect!
noooooooo. check cashing and pay day loan in liquor store starting to sound classier!

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Re: Cleveland: Flats East Bank
« Reply #539 on: August 09, 2006, 03:18:47 PM »
How about the Moda Pawn Shop?

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« Reply #540 on: August 09, 2006, 03:29:10 PM »
On W. 130th there is a Bar/Pawn Shop.  I have always wanted to go there and pawn something for a beer, but I've never found the right item.  Perhaps this concept could be taken upscale and brought to Ohio City.  I think that a lot of people would think it's a "hoot".

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« Reply #541 on: August 10, 2006, 02:03:55 AM »
just a thought, if this project does not move forward, would all the proposed projects that developers came out with AFTER THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF WOLSTEINS, move forward?  Especially Lighthouse Landing.

My guess would be: No.  Despite the contentious relationship btw Shaia and Wolstein, fact is the Lighthouse is attempting to piggyback on Wolstein's success.  If Wolstein's shops and retail and high-density residential development along the river are suddenly removed, what motivation would people have to rent in a high-rise condo that is inland surrounded by the gravel and dust of the Port Auth, the sleaze Larry Flynt's Hustler club and the crumbling, abandoned Old River Road warehouse/former clubs regardless of how attractive the Lighthouse buildings are, themselves?  And given the tight pre-sales/loan formula that is utilized by local banks, it is doubtful that construction would commence if the market suddenly turns sluggish.  If Wolstein fails, Shaia's project dies too... and then we're stuck with nothing. 

Cimperman's 'death spiral' comments may be strong, but Wolstein's (and hence Shaia's) failure would be an extreme blow to the Flats.  A half-of Flats -- West Bank, only-- won't fly despite Stonebridge's amazing growth -- that one project can't carry the whole area.  And let's not delude ourselves that the West Bank is all that healthy, either.  With the quiet closing of Riverwalk Cafe, if I'm not mistaken, we're down to just one river-level, sit-down Flats eatery on either side of the river: Shooters; and from all I'm hearing, Shooter's is on the brink of closure, itself; that this summer may be its last hurrah.

I sure hope not, but what restauranters are finding is the charm of sitting along the river has been greatly diminished since West Bank diners are sitting facing a bunch of dilapidated warehouses across the riv -- no fun!

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« Reply #542 on: August 10, 2006, 02:07:09 AM »
Oh yeah, we've heard about the massive Wolstein, Jeff Jacobs (plus I forget the other playa) casino, retail (hotel?) development IF Ohio passes the casino vote.  That's a big if.  If it flies, we could see a massive development that could sweep to the East side and get development pumping even if Wolstein fails -- but, of course, Wolstein's failure would set us back several years as an entirely new plan would have to be developed.
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« Reply #543 on: August 10, 2006, 07:48:49 AM »
I think the flats should be revitalized to exactly what it was 10 years ago.  Alot of develpment opportunitiwes were missed at that time such as hotels and parking garages.  That area does not need massive redevelopement, rather, just a spruce up.  I never liked the east bank plan in that it created an isolated island of developement versus just letting dominos fall and build based on demand.  That is the only successful type of developement when it is built on demand versus force fed.  The dominos just began to fall toward the end of the flats (Fed Cths Tower and other proposed project).  Pardon my analogies. 

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« Reply #544 on: August 25, 2006, 02:21:44 PM »
Not sure if anyone else has posted/seen this tidbit from Fairmount Properties in regards to the development of Flats EastBank.  On their site, they mention a total build out of over 1000 units.  Perhaps they meant to say over 1000 residents?

http://www.fairmountproperties.com/retail-developments.htm

Fairmount Properties was the primary developer of First and Main in Hudson which was recently reviewed by Cooltown Studios
http://www.cooltownstudios.com/mt/archives/000872.html
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Re: Cleveland: Flats East Bank
« Reply #545 on: August 25, 2006, 02:27:55 PM »
So, are they working in collaboration with Wolstein?

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« Reply #546 on: August 30, 2006, 02:20:06 PM »
While it's unfortunate to see this have to go to court as opposed to being hammered out in private negotiations I'm still glad to see it progressing.

Flats eminent domain battle set
By JAY MILLER
2:06 pm, August 30, 2006


The legal battle that’s likely to determine the fate of the East Bank of the Flats is set to begin Sept. 25 in Cuyahoga County Probate Court.



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« Reply #547 on: August 30, 2006, 04:52:39 PM »
I checked the Probate Court docket to determine who was representing the property owners.  Based on the reputation of a couple of the attorneys, I would say a negotiated settlement is very unlikely for all of the land at issue.  The motion to consolidate was filed by the Port Authority so they must see some sort of strategic advantage to having everything heard in one action (or maybe the Port is just seeking judicial economy and the cost savings (attorneys fees) that follow).

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« Reply #548 on: August 31, 2006, 10:51:09 AM »
So will Wolstein start work on the office building or other parts of this project while the case is in court, or will he wait until he has all the land (if that happens)?
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« Reply #549 on: September 07, 2006, 10:59:20 AM »
Who is this woman?



A lawsuit scrutinizing the Cleveland-Cuyahoga County Port Authority's decision to file eminent domain cases against Flats property-owners will go to trial next month.

Lawyers for the port and Cynthia Roether, who filed the suit as an interested taxpayer, met this morning with Cuyahoga Common Pleas Judge Peter Corrigan, who will begin hearing the case at 9:30 a.m. Oct. 17.

Roether's suit alleges that the port abused its powers by filing the suits on behalf of developer Scott Wolstein, who wants to build a $230 million mixed-use housing and retail neighborhood on the east bank of the Flats. The suit seeks to halt Wolstein's attempt to acquire the property through eminent domain.



More at http://www.cleveland.com/weblogs/business/index.ssf?/mtlogs/cleve_business/archives/2006_09.html#180506
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Re: Cleveland: Flats East Bank
« Reply #550 on: September 07, 2006, 11:04:04 AM »
there's that "death spiral" quote again!

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« Reply #551 on: September 07, 2006, 01:34:06 PM »
^^ Haven't you read? She's an interested taxpayer. Actually, it looks like Ms. Roether has kept a pretty low profile ... the only search engine info I could get was from this case. She apparently resides over in the Kamm's Corner area (per the auditor's record of her property ownership (http://auditor.cuyahogacounty.us/repi/transfer.asp?txtParcel=02411042), and her only local interaction with civil law in the last several years involved a motor vehicle tort back in the late 90s (per a name search here: http://cpdocket.cp.cuyahogacounty.us/).

But most importantly, of course ... she's an interested citizen!

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« Reply #552 on: September 07, 2006, 01:52:31 PM »
Well, I'm an interested citizen, too!

I thought the property owners were the litigants in this. This is bizarre to me, but I'm no real estate expert. How can you sue before anything happens?

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« Reply #553 on: September 07, 2006, 01:55:28 PM »
well, the Port Authority has already began the process. Also, you can always file for an injunction to stop an action.

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« Reply #554 on: September 07, 2006, 02:03:20 PM »
The big question is whether or not she even has standing to sue based solely on her status as a tax-payer.  Not sure what the state of play is in Ohio.
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« Reply #555 on: September 07, 2006, 02:07:44 PM »
Urban Ohio forumers should all file amicus curiae briefs on behalf of Wolstein ... as interested citizens and what not  :-D

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« Reply #556 on: September 07, 2006, 02:15:59 PM »
The big question is whether or not she even has standing to sue based solely on her status as a tax-payer.  Not sure what the state of play is in Ohio.

Not sure either. The real question may center around her mental capacity ;)

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« Reply #557 on: September 07, 2006, 02:35:45 PM »
WHERE'S THE LEADERSHIP IN THIS TOWN??  (Answer:  there is none). 

A leader would get the parties together and figure out a way to broker a deal so that Wolstein gets to do his project AND the other owners do not get screwed.  Yes, that could mean that the other owners get to share in the risk/rewards of Wolstein's project.  Or that could mean that Wolstein's concepts are modified to include the other owners.

Mayor Jackson hasn't done anything to work things out. 

Joe Cimperman is afraid of his own shadow.  He hasn't done anything to broker a deal.

It's too bad that our politicians can't pull this together.

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« Reply #558 on: September 07, 2006, 02:40:34 PM »
Joe Cimperman is afraid of his own shadow.

Where the hell do you come off with that?  Look, I wish that this had happened in a much better fashion, but its ridiculous to make worthless comments like that.

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« Reply #559 on: September 07, 2006, 03:38:59 PM »
Nothing against Joe Cimperman, but look at the facts.  The Flats East Bank is in Ward 13.  Joe Cimperman has been the Ward 13 councilman during the later part of the White administration, thru Campbell's administration and now into Jackson's administration.  Jane Campbell was working with Scott Wolstein very closely for years on this project.  When she lost the election, Jackson took a "hands off" approach to Campbell projects.  He's been generally supportive of Wolstein, but hasn't got directly involved. 

Joe Cimperman is another story.  He's been involved with this from the beginning.  The other owners have been asking him for help for over two years with this situation.  They have gotten some positive lip service, but Cimperman has not actually done anything to broker a deal.  Actually, there have been a few occasions where he’s been purposely misleading: 
•   Summer of 2005 – Wolstein’s plans are announced.  Many of the other Flats East Bank owners call Cimperman to ask for a “process that is fair to everyone.” 
•   Fall of 2005 - The City set ups a “blighted area” and establishes a “Community Action Plan.”  Cimperman was quietly but fully involved in these processes.  He made sure that the only property owner involved was Scott Wolstein.
•   Fall & Winter of 2005 – The other owners continue to call Cimperman to ask for a “process that is fair to everyone.” 
•   February 2006 – At a council meeting where Steve Strnisha (Wolstein’s consultant) was prepping Council about project details.   There were many routine questions asked (about public art and minority participation).  Cimperman asked 1 question.  His LOADED QUESTION was “For the record, will there be any request to City Council to use eminent domain?”  To which Strnisha said “no” in a loud voice and added that Wolstein is making offers to buy the properties he needs.  Martin Sweeney then unexpectedly stepped in and asked if anyone had accepted any of Wolstein’s offers yet.  Strnisha said “no” in a quieter tone.  Sweeney asked what would happen in the other property owners do not accept the offers.  Strnisha responded “We think they will.”  Sweeney pressed, “What if they don’t?”  Strnisha responded “we’re working with everyone.”  Sweeney pressed again “what if they don’t accept?”  In a barley audible voice, Strnisha said “The Port Authorty has eminent domain power that we can use.” 
•   Spring 2006 – Several other property owners either submit their own development plans or tout ideas to work with Wolstein.  These are uniformly ignored by Cimperman. 
•   Summer 2006 – Wolstein signs a “Development Agreement” with the City for Flats East Bank.  This gives Wolstein full power to develop other people’s properties (between the river and West 9th).  Cimperman supports this agreement even though it completely diminishes the rights of other property owners.
•   Look at Ken Prendergast’s Sun articles in June and July.  Cimperman says “let the negotiations thrive.”  While knowing full well that Wolstein is stonewalling negotiations and simply trying to screw the other owners in court.

Let’s face it, Cimperman has political ambitions beyond being a councilman.  He will not frustrate a big political spender like Scott Wolstein.  Especially when Cimperman likes Wolstein’s project and doesn’t really care about the means used to get it.  The end justifies the means.

So someone, please explain to me how Cimperman is doing his job in this situation.   How is he trying to broker a deal or work things out?  How is he is getting his hands dirty?  What has he done to roll up his sleeves and get to work? 

We’re talking about over $100 million of public money going to one private developer’s project.  I think this calls for active and real LEADERSHIP.


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