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Re: Cincinnati: Demolition Watch
« Reply #980 on: April 23, 2017, 09:21:12 PM »
A garage would still be better than surface lots.  They can put solar panels over it too. 
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Re: Cincinnati: Demolition Watch
« Reply #981 on: April 23, 2017, 11:30:08 PM »
^They do realize it. They are just stuck with regard to parking. Almost all of the visitors to the zoo are families that drive to the zoo for the day, and they bring their cars, or more likely, their SUV's and Minivans.

If you are the zoo, what could you do better? Tell your visitors to ride the bus? Build a parking garage? Turn them away when the parking lots are full?

Give them credit for staying in Cincinnati, please. They could have moved to Warren County and built a giant parking lot like Kings Island.

The Zoo gets their funding from Hamilton County. I'm not sure how they could even move to a different county logistically. There's no chance that the surrounding counties with their anti-tax attitudes would ever enact a tax to fund the Zoo.
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Re: Cincinnati: Demolition Watch
« Reply #982 on: April 24, 2017, 02:23:48 AM »
A garage was planned for the solar panel parking lot.  Vine St. was widened expressly to enable construction of that garage.  The zoo never publicized why the garage was dropped from the plan.  OKI also studied construction of light rail on Vine and Erkenbrecker as an alternative to light rail parallel to MLK.  The station was going to be right there around Shields and Louis. 

I lived there 20 years ago when the solar panel parking lot was a steeply-sloped wooded ravine that separated Vine St. from Ruther.  There was a 7-story green office building right by Shields that had a surface lot at a lower level than Vine.  There was some sort of Catholic convent or or something deep in the ravine that was accessed off of Ruther. 

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« Reply #983 on: April 24, 2017, 08:52:29 AM »
 The zoo gets part of their funding from Hamilton County. (At one point there was a sign in the zoo thanking Hamilton County Voters). I imagine that they get a significant amount from donors, not to mention admissions. Many of the workers are volunteers.

The zoo currently owns a farm in Warren County that they use as auxiliary space for operations.

It would not be easy to move the zoo, but still possible. Maybe they could operate multiple sites, like the hospitals do. In any case, I am happy that the zoo has made a commitment to stay in Cincinnati, despite the fact that some buildings have been torn down for parking.

The entrance area of the zoo, called the zoo village, with the ticket building, the gate, the restrooms, the gift shop, and the bridge is one of my favorite urban design examples. It all used to be a parking lot. Do you remember the old zoo entrance off of Dury? It was a messy and overcrowded area. The gate was an automobile gate rather than a pedestrian gate, and traffic would back up into the street. Once inside the gate, visitors found themselves in a sea of parking lots. That is all exhibit space now. The zoo is getting better, and the zoo is doing pretty well in the urban design area.

I met the facilities director at the zoo, and he is not proud of what the zoo has done to the neighborhood over the years, and he is committed to make the neighborhood better, not worse. That said, the zoo is in kind of a predicament with regards to parking, because almost all of the visitors are families that drive to the zoo.


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Re: Cincinnati: Demolition Watch
« Reply #984 on: April 24, 2017, 10:36:48 AM »
There was a decent, if somewhat hidden pedestrian entrance off Dury back in the day.  It was kind of a neat little sidewalk with bamboo on both sides that came in next to the drive-in lanes.  I assume there was pressure from neighbors to get rid of that so patrons wouldn't park on "their" streets and walk in.  The current bridge is very much a highway-scaled thing catering directly to the main parking lot.  It's kind of confusing if you arrive by any other means, and the berms and retaining walls along Vine and Erkenbrecher are very anti-urban.  Compare to this:  https://goo.gl/maps/W26YK4sB23J2

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Re: Cincinnati: Demolition Watch
« Reply #985 on: April 24, 2017, 11:53:54 AM »
There was an employee parking lot that opened off of Erkenbrecker where the Schott building is now with the solar panels on the roof.  If you lived in the area you could get into the zoo for free by simply walking into the employee parking lot and then straight into the zoo since the old entrance was cars-only and you paid admission like a drive-thru. 

I believe that the original entrance to the zoo was at the corner of Vine & Erkenbrecker, and it might have been open through the 90s before the giant retaining wall and bridge was built.  I believe that the bridge was built with the idea that it would connect directly into a multi-deck parking garage. 

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Re: Cincinnati: Demolition Watch
« Reply #986 on: April 24, 2017, 12:26:21 PM »
I remember the old Vine and Erkenbrecker entrance as always being closed when I moved here in '03, except maybe for the Christmas extravaganza. It had a jungle safari/thatched roof and spears kind of look, with maybe a cheetah and gorilla statue to complete the tableaux.

My favorite entrance was off of Forest. When my kids went to Zoo Camp, they would give us the access code to that electric gate so we could pick them up after-hours when the zoo was closed. That code continued to work for a long time after zoo camp was over.....

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Re: Cincinnati: Demolition Watch
« Reply #987 on: May 10, 2017, 08:38:29 PM »
From the Cincinnati Preservation Association:

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Magistrate's ruling in Davis Bldg case, requiring City to grant demo permit, upheld today by Judge Dinkelacker. Updates when available.

So I'm guessing, barring another miracle, the Davis Furniture Building is gone.
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Re: Cincinnati: Demolition Watch
« Reply #988 on: May 10, 2017, 09:47:41 PM »
The city hcb and zba denied demolition for the Davis building, and typically follow suit when issuing demolition permits. Judging how the Dennison left a bruise on cranleys campaign, I feel like he will try his best to appeal and save the Davis building (if not try to purchase the building through emminent domain) if nothing more to prove his worth to urbanites.

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Re: Cincinnati: Demolition Watch
« Reply #989 on: May 10, 2017, 10:04:43 PM »
The city hcb and zba denied demolition for the Davis building, and typically follow suit when issuing demolition permits. Judging how the Dennison left a bruise on cranleys campaign, I feel like he will try his best to appeal and save the Davis building (if not try to purchase the building through emminent domain) if nothing more to prove his worth to urbanites.

Not even in the realm of possibility. Not how he rolls.
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« Reply #990 on: May 10, 2017, 10:26:14 PM »
The Dennison was a pure rubbing each other back move. The connection with the Joseph Auto group and mayor cranely was clear.

Also the city likes the defend its internal procedures with the hcb and zba, hence why this most likely isn't a done deal just become some random magistrate is saying the city should.

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Re: Cincinnati: Demolition Watch
« Reply #991 on: May 15, 2017, 03:30:29 PM »
Downtown roads close for building demolition



Drivers in downtown Cincinnati may have to be rerouted while traveling in the Central Business District this week.

West Third Street will be closed from Central Avenue to the Clay Wade Bailey Bridge until 4 p.m. on Friday, May 19 as crews demolish the former Dunnhumby office at 444 W. Third St. Nearby John Street will also be closed until July 31 and parking in the area will be restricted.

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http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/05/15/downtown-roads-close-for-building-demolition.html
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Re: Cincinnati: Demolition Watch
« Reply #992 on: May 16, 2017, 11:42:10 AM »
In progress:
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Re: Cincinnati: Demolition Watch
« Reply #993 on: May 16, 2017, 12:42:29 PM »
What a stupid waste.

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Re: Cincinnati: Demolition Watch
« Reply #994 on: May 16, 2017, 12:45:05 PM »
What a stupid waste.

So much spent to remake it into office space, and now it's being demoed.  The last vestige of what was once a wonderful commercial corridor is now a completely nasty tangle of concrete pillars and shady overpasses.

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Re: Cincinnati: Demolition Watch
« Reply #995 on: May 16, 2017, 12:55:22 PM »
So dumb. Dunnhumby has made some spectacularly poor real estate decisions.

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Re: Cincinnati: Demolition Watch
« Reply #996 on: May 16, 2017, 02:01:04 PM »
Dunnhumby can't really be blamed for this demolition. DunnhumbyUSA needed more space so they built a new HQ downtown. The other (British) part of Dunnhumby didn't need that much space so they moved out of that building.

I blame ODOT for paying a market rates to acquire that building just so they could tear it down. Just so construction of the new bridge (which may or may not ever be built) will be easier.
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Re: Cincinnati: Demolition Watch
« Reply #997 on: May 16, 2017, 02:19:07 PM »
So with demo expected to be completed in July, does anyone know if ODOT plans to put in a temporary parking lot? Not that there aren't plenty already in this area.
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Re: Cincinnati: Demolition Watch
« Reply #998 on: May 16, 2017, 02:54:53 PM »
So dumb. Dunnhumby has made some spectacularly poor real estate decisions.

Hard to know who "lost" on this investment and who won (if anybody)... without knowing how much renovation costs were, how it was financed, and how much the State paid to acquire it for demolition. The City of Cincinnati gave some tax credits to the developer for the renovation back in 2009: http://www.soapboxmedia.com/devnews/dunnhumbyusa0310.aspx

The building was bought for $3.5m in 2008 and sold for $17m in 2009. It was appraised for $16.6m in 2014, the most recent appraisal. So I assume the State paid at least that much for it. Unless I'm missing something, it seems like the City of Cincinnati and State of Ohio are the ones who lost on this. And of course, we citizens are losing a beautiful, old, large building ... and getting an empty lot in return. My guess is that dunnhumbyUSA (or their affiliates/owners) didn't lose much at all on this... and even in the worst case scenario, they probably got to use a nice office building for pretty cheap.

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Re: Cincinnati: Demolition Watch
« Reply #999 on: August 09, 2017, 11:48:14 AM »
Grabbed this shot while I was in the building at the corner of Plum and Perry. This is the building at 313 W 5th...I think.



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