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« Reply #1575 on: October 27, 2016, 08:40:24 PM »
I heard Puente Viejo will not be opening until December.  :-(
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« Reply #1576 on: November 05, 2016, 04:52:58 PM »

originally the starr gennett, altho the Starr name was plastered over as the restoration nears finishing























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« Reply #1577 on: November 05, 2016, 07:54:43 PM »
That looks great. Thanks for the updates. For reference here is the historic photo submitted to landmark commission. I wish somebody would restore the facade of the building next door too.


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« Reply #1578 on: November 22, 2016, 05:51:10 PM »

^yes it'd be nice to have the (?)limestone ground flor facade back on the bldg. to the left (MCMV, i.e.,1905), the lime stone appears to be just bricked-over and would easy to remove.









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Re: Cleveland: Playhouse Square Developments
« Reply #1579 on: December 09, 2016, 07:46:54 AM »
Had lunch at Otto Moser's yesterday with a former Cleveland city planning director. The subject of the vacant lot across the street came up. My lunch partner said the apartment tower planned for that site is still very much alive. It's an out-of-town developer and student housing is definitely NOT part of their market as this will be a high-rent building, he says. I pressed him for the name of the developer but he refused to share it.
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« Reply #1580 on: December 09, 2016, 04:08:18 PM »
Had lunch at Otto Moser's yesterday with a former Cleveland city planning director. The subject of the vacant lot across the street came up. My lunch partner said the apartment tower planned for that site is still very much alive. It's an out-of-town developer and student housing is definitely NOT part of their market as this will be a high-rent building, he says. I pressed him for the name of the developer but he refused to share it.

Were there ever any envisioned specs provided for this project?
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« Reply #1581 on: December 09, 2016, 04:31:44 PM »
^I assume you mean design imagery, no, there hasn't yet.
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« Reply #1582 on: December 09, 2016, 04:36:52 PM »

Were there ever any envisioned specs provided for this project?

The only things I've heard is that the developer was looking at a 30-story building, according to Cresco real estate. SOURCE: http://www.crescorealestate.com/latest-news/rejuvenated-downtown-cleveland-drawing-more-residents-businesses/

The lower floors would be a 600-car parking deck with retail spaces fronting Euclid Avenue, much like 515 Euclid. SOURCE: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/08/high-rise_apartment_plans_emer.html

$4 million was requested from the state to help fund the parking deck but only $1 million was provided. SOURCE: http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/04/capital_bill_allocates_31_mill.html
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« Reply #1583 on: January 19, 2017, 01:55:44 PM »
I was looking at the webcam for the Edge at CSU , and noticed there is a boring truck in the parking lot on the corner of Euclid and E 17th... https://app.oxblue.com/open/clayco/edgecsu

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« Reply #1584 on: January 19, 2017, 03:30:37 PM »
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« Reply #1585 on: January 20, 2017, 12:39:51 PM »
I was looking at the webcam for the Edge at CSU , and noticed there is a boring truck in the parking lot on the corner of Euclid and E 17th... https://app.oxblue.com/open/clayco/edgecsu

It has been there off and on several times over the past 18 months.  Makes me wonder whether they got some unusual test results and had to come back for most testing, or are they drilling deeper this time?

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« Reply #1586 on: January 20, 2017, 10:26:17 PM »
^Doubt they (Soil reports) are any different then what they were in Summer '15. The soils there are Sandy and any high rise would need geopiers or other deep foundations.
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« Reply #1587 on: February 08, 2017, 02:03:23 PM »
Disappointed to hear it would be more student housing. I guess that's a need, but I would like to see another new development happen that could benefit more people than just students.

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« Reply #1588 on: February 08, 2017, 02:24:17 PM »
^ Are you referring to the potential tower that would be on Euclid & E. 17th? Where did you hear that it would be student housing? That just doesn't seem right.

Or are you referring to the Edge?

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« Reply #1589 on: February 08, 2017, 04:35:29 PM »
^I have the same question.  In everything I have read about the "proposed" Playhouse Square residential building I don't recall anything about student housing.

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« Reply #1590 on: February 09, 2017, 10:02:32 AM »
Has there been information posted about this "proposed" residential development?  I have either missed it or since forgotten it.
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« Reply #1591 on: February 09, 2017, 10:52:16 AM »
Has there been information posted about this "proposed" residential development?  I have either missed it or since forgotten it.

See my last post in this thread (scroll up on this page) for a summary.
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« Reply #1592 on: May 14, 2017, 02:09:38 PM »
KJP...if you are correct about the Playhouse Square building I am going to hunt you down and plant a big wet one on you, so be forewarned.  This is the project I have been wanting for years.

Thanks but I didn't have anything to do with the tower, if it gets built. I'm just reporting news. :)

KJP.....this is fantastic!!!  Especially the Playhouse square tower.  I'm willing to give up parking in my favorite lot for this!!  I never understood why they built that garage on the back to begin with!

Something else that's interesting.... Someone just pointed out to me that all of the properties totaling 0.8-acre west of the Chester Avenue parking garage to East 13th were acquired by Playhouse Square Foundation from Ideal Parking last October. Probably no one in the media noticed it at the time because the properties were acquired via a quit-claim deed. Dollar amounts get noticed most. Presumably this acquisition is for a potential development. And if a parking garage is built on Euclid at 17th (below a residential tower), some/all spaces at the Chester garage could then be devoted to supporting development on Chester. Pretty strategic thinking by these guys.
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« Reply #1593 on: May 14, 2017, 05:08:52 PM »
Thats interesting....Any idea as to what type of development? 

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« Reply #1594 on: May 14, 2017, 08:06:28 PM »
Probably just a coincidence, but the Brownell Court alleyway at the back of the lot was marked up the other day for what seems like sewer work.

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« Reply #1595 on: May 14, 2017, 10:04:06 PM »
Thats interesting....Any idea as to what type of development? 

No idea. There were conceptual renderings for the parking lots across Chester done several years ago that showed residential above retail wrapped around a mid-block parking deck. Anyone remember who developed the conceptual renderings? Was that by the city?
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« Reply #1596 on: June 09, 2017, 08:31:22 AM »
The Apartment Tower now has its own thread:

https://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,31249.0.html

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« Reply #1597 on: June 17, 2017, 09:25:56 PM »
Wonder what they can help finance with this generous gift?!?! How about another skyscraper!?! :P

Playhouse Square receives $10 million gift from KeyBank, adds name to State Theatre
Updated on June 17, 2017 at 9:00 PMPosted on June 17, 2017 at 9:00 PM
BY LAURA DEMARCO, THE PLAIN DEALER ldemarco@plaind.com

CLEVELAND, OH - Playhouse Square has received one of the largest gifts in its history.

KeyBank, a longtime supporter of Playhouse Square, announced a $10 million gift to the performing arts center's Advancing the Legacy Campaign on Saturday night.

"We are pleased and proud to be able make this gift to help support the arts and education and the thriving and continuing renaissance of downtown Cleveland," said Beth Mooney, chairman and CEO of KeyCorp.

It is only the second such gift in Playhouse Square's history, following a $10 million gift from the Richard J. Fasenmyer Foundation in December 2014.

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http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/06/playhouse_square_receives_10_m.html
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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Playhouse Square Development and News
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« Reply #1599 on: June 23, 2017, 03:56:27 PM »
While I realize that the Key Bank gift is intended for several purposes, one of them is for capital improvements. I'm hopeful this is for new construction, and could be used to build off of their aggressive approach to attract new residents to the district.

Also (on a totally speculative and hopefully related front!), does anyone happen to know how tall of a building the Cowell & Hubbard structure can accommodate on top of it? I recall that this building was constructed in a way to add a tower to it at some point in the future. Having a building already in place as the foundation should reduce some of the costs of building a tower. It would be astounding if the Key Bank donation was used to aid this purpose!
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« Reply #1600 on: June 23, 2017, 08:36:47 PM »
I was told that the building that Dwellworks occupies was also built to support future vertical expansion. It's only hearsay but I was told 5-10 additional floors could be added. The steel columns in there looked as big if not bigger than ones I've seen in ground levels of 10 story buildings.

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« Reply #1601 on: June 23, 2017, 11:57:51 PM »
Also (on a totally speculative and hopefully related front!), does anyone happen to know how tall of a building the Cowell & Hubbard structure can accommodate on top of it? I recall that this building was constructed in a way to add a tower to it at some point in the future.

My recollection of a PD article from probably decades ago is 20 stories.

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« Reply #1602 on: June 24, 2017, 01:45:56 AM »
Also (on a totally speculative and hopefully related front!), does anyone happen to know how tall of a building the Cowell & Hubbard structure can accommodate on top of it? I recall that this building was constructed in a way to add a tower to it at some point in the future.

My recollection of a PD article from probably decades ago is 20 stories.


the bldg was built in 1920 (and remained in business as a jewelry store until 1981) and it can accomodate more floors per the former owner, but how many was unspecified in the article i found following the sale.

the previous owner would probably know more about that:
Jack Herrick, president of Realty Investors Co. of Cleveland, which owned the Cowell & Hubbard building.
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« Reply #1603 on: June 24, 2017, 09:42:43 AM »
Also (on a totally speculative and hopefully related front!), does anyone happen to know how tall of a building the Cowell & Hubbard structure can accommodate on top of it? I recall that this building was constructed in a way to add a tower to it at some point in the future.

My recollection of a PD article from probably decades ago is 20 stories.

Adding 20 stories of residential to the top of this building should cost about $50 million to $60 million (based on 515 Euclid). How much equity would a lender require to finance this? Wonder if KeyBank could give them favorable terms?? :P
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« Reply #1604 on: June 24, 2017, 12:48:57 PM »
Is there actually something into this Cowell & Building Talk OR is it just WISHFUL thinking.
I also would like to see another tower on Euclid ave

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« Reply #1605 on: June 24, 2017, 02:20:08 PM »
Big time wishful thinking. But after what PHS just announced at Euclid and East 17th, I'm actually surprised they didn't take a smaller first bite with the Cowell & Hubbard building.
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« Reply #1606 on: June 24, 2017, 04:23:46 PM »
BTW, apparently the Sterling Building on the other side of East 13th Street from Cowell & Hubbard could handle a building addition above it too. This article from a decade ago discusses a plan to add 12 stories on top of the Sterling Building....

http://www.crainscleveland.com/print/article/20060403/SUB/60329006/munsell-keeps-his-firm-small-and-his-plans-big
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