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Offline surfohio

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Re: Euclid: Development and News
« Reply #90 on: November 13, 2017, 06:55:06 AM »
Here's the problem with this plan....

Working with design consultants from Detroit-based SmithGroupJJR, Euclid proposed to property owners that it would clean up and re-engineer the shoreline to make it erosion resistant and more habitat-friendly for wildlife, in exchange for the right to create the waterfront trail.

Beaches NEED erosion in order to exist, it's all a natural process called littoral drift, and it's disrupted by armoring the coastline.

https://revisionworld.com/sites/revisionworld.com/files/imce/longshore%20drift.jpg

This erosion issue really needs to be addressed across the board in a coherent statewide plan. Unfortunately Ohio seems light years away from any such solution.

I applaud Euclid for their efforts, there are surely some good elements to their plan. Their hearts in the right place. But it won't give us those expansive beaches that we had in the past. Sure there will be pockets of beach surrounded by piers and very unnatural looking breakwalls, but not much.

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Re: Euclid: Development and News
« Reply #91 on: November 14, 2017, 02:01:37 PM »
^They did engineer a good beach at Sims park

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Re: Euclid: Development and News
« Reply #92 on: November 14, 2017, 02:25:31 PM »
^They did engineer a good beach at Sims park

Well, I'm conflicted on Sims. Here's why. They did successfully collect a significant amount of sand. But the method they used required depositing all those rocks, walling off an equally significant portion of the water in the process.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RCuNQBU5k0Y/UGzzEw1FZLI/AAAAAAAAGP8/aKcBZPNzYGA/s1600/P9130956.JPG

You see a similar thing at Presque Isle, which to me looks very unnatural - and it is. Perhaps it's a lesser of evils, but I don't know.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CSq5fh4s2Rk/maxresdefault.jpg

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Re: Euclid: Development and News
« Reply #93 on: December 01, 2017, 12:26:05 PM »
Another Northeast Ohio dead mall bites the dust, making way for an e-commerce hub.
http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2017/12/euclid_square_mall_demolition.html
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Re: Euclid: Development and News
« Reply #94 on: December 01, 2017, 12:48:29 PM »
Here's the problem with this plan....

Working with design consultants from Detroit-based SmithGroupJJR, Euclid proposed to property owners that it would clean up and re-engineer the shoreline to make it erosion resistant and more habitat-friendly for wildlife, in exchange for the right to create the waterfront trail.

Beaches NEED erosion in order to exist, it's all a natural process called littoral drift, and it's disrupted by armoring the coastline.

https://revisionworld.com/sites/revisionworld.com/files/imce/longshore%20drift.jpg

This erosion issue really needs to be addressed across the board in a coherent statewide plan. Unfortunately Ohio seems light years away from any such solution.

I applaud Euclid for their efforts, there are surely some good elements to their plan. Their hearts in the right place. But it won't give us those expansive beaches that we had in the past. Sure there will be pockets of beach surrounded by piers and very unnatural looking breakwalls, but not much.

You would think JJR would be acutely aware of that after being sued by residents of Madison Twp.  after designing the North Perry Village marina which trapped sand and disrupted littoral drift.  Instead of a sand beach, we now have a hideous riprap revetment protecting our bluff and a concrete set of stairs over the revetment to access the lake.  http://www.news-herald.com/article/hr/20141205/NEWS/141209643

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Re: Euclid: Development and News
« Reply #95 on: December 01, 2017, 01:06:37 PM »
You would think JJR would be acutely aware of that after being sued by residents of Madison Twp.  after designing the North Perry Village marina which trapped sand and disrupted littoral drift.  Instead of a sand beach, we now have a hideous riprap revetment protecting our bluff and a concrete set of stairs over the revetment to access the lake.  http://www.news-herald.com/article/hr/20141205/NEWS/141209643


What a mess. And the city has to pay for dredging the marina and dumping the dredged material at the homeowners shoreline. From the article.

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Ondrey and Markowitz broke down the improvements as follow:

• A new layer of stones will be installed along the plaintiffs’ bluffs.

• Sand from outside the area will be moved and nourished on the plaintiff’s shorelines.

• The marina’s bin wall will be extended to keep the trapped sand west of the structure and not inside. This will allow an easier time for contractors to dredge the sand and move it east of the marina.

North Perry has been contracting sand dredging at the marina since 2011, moving it east of the marina to renourish the plaintiff’s shorelines. That agreement won’t be changing because of the settlement.

“They’re always going to have to keep dredging as long as the marina is there,” Markowitz said.
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This year, the village spent $153,000 on five dredging projects.

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Re: Euclid: Development and News
« Reply #96 on: December 01, 2017, 02:02:17 PM »
Lucky for North Perry they have the nuclear plant to provide plenty of funding for such endeavors. And for paying settlements. http://www.news-herald.com/general-news/20170217/north-perrys-lake-erie-sand-dredging-lawsuit-settled

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Re: Euclid: Development and News
« Reply #97 on: January 08, 2018, 01:25:34 PM »
ESM demo is in full mode now, here are some pics and aerials from a couple of weeks ago

https://upliftdata.io/reports/v/8n5fK4ABU9Zt9v21ULW4-Q

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Re: Euclid: Development and News
« Reply #98 on: January 10, 2018, 11:58:35 AM »
I think I see Koenig's :)