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Offline bumsquare

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Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8820 on: April 12, 2018, 11:38:31 AM »
We wouldnít have won the ring in 2016 without Tristan. Bad on the Cavs for paying on past performance, but he used to be a very valuable player. Heís clearly lost a step, but he used to be able to switch out onto guards and was an elite offensive rebounder. Those kinds of role players get paid. Hard for the Cavs to know heíd look washed when he should be entering his ostensible prime.

When he switches out on guards it usually ends up meaning the other team scores, whether it's the mismatch with his man being guarded by one of our guards or their guard making him look silly (just because his ability to stay with a quick little guy is better than average for a big man doesn't mean it's good).  Also, you're trading a handful of offensive rebounds for no other offensive talent.  And that's not to mention how awful he is rebounding at the other end of the floor.  He's an undersized big man who has no ability to score outside of 5 feet.  His hustle maybe should have earned him $5-$8 million a year, but you shouldn't get elite money with his skill set.  Now we're paying top dollar for a guy that we can hardly keep out on the floor.  I thought this was all very predictable at the time.

Thatís true this year but not the previous two years. He was an elite defender and the numbers back it up. His DBPM, VORP, and win shares were all excellent. Those defensive advanced metrics are more impressive considering his low defensive counting stats. His injuries clearly have taken a toll.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomptr01.html


Offline MuRrAy HiLL

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Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8821 on: April 12, 2018, 01:22:34 PM »
First time posting a TMZ or "Bustle" on Urbanohio...or anywhere I think:

Khloe Kardashian Gives Birth to Baby Girl!! Tristan Was There

Khloe Kardashian has given birth to her first kid ... TMZ has learned.

Khloe delivered a baby girl early Thursday morning -- around 4 AM EDT -- at a hospital outside Cleveland ... according to our Kardashian sources. We're told the little girl does not have a name yet. Kourtney, Kim, Kris and Khloe's BFF Malika were by her side during the birth. Tristan Thompson was also there.

This is Khloe and the Cavaliers star's first baby together, but, of course, it comes smack in the middle of a tumultuous time for the couple.


http://www.tmz.com/2018/04/12/khloe-kardashian-gives-birth-baby-girl/

Will Khloe Kardashian Still Live In Cleveland? She Just Had Her Baby In The Ohio City

Big news: On Thursday, April 12, TMZ reported that Khloe Kardashian gave birth to a baby girl at a Cleveland, Ohio area hospital. (Bustle reached out to Kardashian's rep for comment, but did not receive an immediate response.) But will Khloe still live in Cleveland after the birth of her child? She may not remain in the city for long, according to several reports from earlier this week.

According to TMZ, Khloe gave birth to a baby girl at a hospital outside of Cleveland at around 4 a.m. ET. TMZ reported that the baby's father, NBA player Tristan Thompson, was there, as well as Kim Kardashian, Kourtney Kardashian, and Khloe's best friend Malika Haqq were there. The newborn's name has not yet been publicly announced by Khloe, nor has the birth of her daughter been officially announced or confirmed.

https://www.bustle.com/p/will-khloe-kardashian-still-live-in-cleveland-she-just-had-her-baby-in-the-ohio-city-8771972

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Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8822 on: April 12, 2018, 01:22:43 PM »
i'm much more of the belief that they they paid tt top dollar to keep lebron happy than for his stats.

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Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8823 on: April 12, 2018, 01:24:25 PM »
oh god lord cleveland now has its own bonafide kardashian kid lol.

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Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8824 on: April 12, 2018, 01:25:04 PM »
i'm much more of the belief that they they paid tt top dollar to keep lebron happy than for his stats.

Not psyched to be the Tristan defender considering how terrible he is now, but he also got paid because he was a key contributor with a not easily replaceable skill set on a championship-wining team attempting to repeat.

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Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8825 on: April 12, 2018, 01:25:44 PM »
oh god lord cleveland now has its own bonafide kardashian kid lol.

Only by birth.  Khloe was moved into Cleveland, but I suspect the family will be flying her and her daughter back to LA immediately...just hoping this drama doesn't effect the Cavs playoff run.

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Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8826 on: April 12, 2018, 01:27:24 PM »
that's a take, but even still it was not worthy of top dolla tho.

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Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8827 on: April 15, 2018, 09:15:27 PM »
Thatís true this year but not the previous two years. He was an elite defender and the numbers back it up. His DBPM, VORP, and win shares were all excellent. Those defensive advanced metrics are more impressive considering his low defensive counting stats.

Directly from the page about these stats (https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/bpm.html)...

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What does this mean? Box Plus/Minus is good at measuring offense and solid overall, but the defensive numbers in particular should not be considered definitive.

I maintain that he was never a great defender.  Better than average maybe, but surely not worth paying top dollar for, especially considering his deficiencies on offense.

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Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8828 on: April 15, 2018, 09:16:30 PM »
We sure sucked today.  But the good news is that we somehow hung around even though we couldn't make an open shot all game.  I think we win this series as long as we don't have a couple more off nights like we did today.

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Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8829 on: April 18, 2018, 10:04:19 PM »
Cavs win 100-97. Series now tied 1-1.

LeBron went 17/24 shooting for 46 points. The rest of the team 20/49 shooting. As has been the case all year, as LeBron goes, the team goes.
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Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8830 on: Yesterday at 08:41:34 AM »
Each game is different, so there is a chance the cavs can have an "on" game in Indy and win comfortably.  But they need someone else to step in and be consistent.  George Hill, Clarkson, Smith, Hood.  Anyone.  They role players performance has been very mediocre.  If they dont develop a flow, they will be lucky to get out of this series let alone make the finals.  Everything is always magnified immediatley after each game.  IN 2015, the cavs squeeked by Boston in games 1 and 2, last year, they squeeked by Indy in games 1 and 2.  They year they won it all, squeeked by Detroit in all 4 games.  The good thing about having Lebron is he seems to be the master and making adjustments (more than the coach).  They need to get some flow soon, however.

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Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8831 on: Yesterday at 10:49:33 AM »
Each game is different, so there is a chance the cavs can have an "on" game in Indy and win comfortably.  But they need someone else to step in and be consistent.  George Hill, Clarkson, Smith, Hood.  Anyone.  They role players performance has been very mediocre.  If they dont develop a flow, they will be lucky to get out of this series let alone make the finals.  Everything is always magnified immediatley after each game.  IN 2015, the cavs squeeked by Boston in games 1 and 2, last year, they squeeked by Indy in games 1 and 2.  They year they won it all, squeeked by Detroit in all 4 games.  The good thing about having Lebron is he seems to be the master and making adjustments (more than the coach).  They need to get some flow soon, however.

I agree. I remember the Pistons series in 2016. I believe it was the lowest point differential for a 4-0 sweep in NBA history. That series was a few Pistons bad breaks (and Andre Drummond free throws) away from being 2-2. I don't think the Cavs will average 90 PPG for the entire series. They will score more.

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« Reply #8832 on: Yesterday at 10:58:45 AM »
yeah we cannot have one man shows from lebron all the way through. others have to step up. we could go down the list, but really its basically everybody else. both of these games were maddening in their own ways.

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« Reply #8833 on: Yesterday at 11:01:30 AM »
yeah we cannot have one man shows from lebron all the way through. others have to step up. we could go down the list, but really its basically everybody else. both of these games were maddening in their own ways.

Korver had a good game. I agree about everyone else. Love had a so-so game 15pts+8rebs but that was over 34 minutes. He has to produce more. I also know he was hurt a bit after the three point foul when he landed on his ankle funny.

Those deadline aquisitions look pretty bad in the postseason so far.
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Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8834 on: Yesterday at 11:36:23 AM »
Love had a so-so game 15pts+8rebs but that was over 34 minutes.

He was 5-16 shooting, though.

Clarkson has been a huge disappointment so far in the playoffs as he has been a total non-factor.  Hood is about what we expected...a guy who can hit some shots but not much else.  Nance also as expected...not much better than TT on offense, but a little better defender.  I thought Hill played a decent game while he was in there, but he got a lot of fouls fast.  Calderon doesn't look very good either.

Jeff Green is abysmal right now.  I say we swap in Cedi.  At least he'll play solid defense.
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Re: Cleveland Cavs Discussion
« Reply #8835 on: Yesterday at 11:57:40 AM »
I think Cedi is the type of guy who would make some huge game changing plays, either with defense, hustle or something that isnt sexy.  I also hate to say this, but, if these guys continue to look like players who have never played in playoff games before, you will probably have to play (gulp), Tristan.  Get some of that experience in there.

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« Reply #8836 on: Yesterday at 12:41:17 PM »
Speaking of game changing plays...I'm not sure we win if JR doesn't steal the ball from Oladipo and score late in the 4th.

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« Reply #8837 on: Yesterday at 12:58:56 PM »
Do you remember the strategy last year?  They doubled Paul George every time he got the ball.  Then did that to Derozan the next round, then IT in the finals.  I dont know why they arent doing that to Oladipo.  Double him up top every time

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« Reply #8838 on: Yesterday at 01:19:08 PM »
They did that only once last night...out by half court in the second half.  He got right of it right away and I believe they then turned the ball over.  So of course, we didn't try it again after that.