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Re: Social Democracy
« Reply #180 on: September 14, 2018, 11:43:51 AM »
Posting from Infowars automatically makes me not read the post.

It's actually factually accurate here though.

It's just not a good look to run on a message of economic equality and then wear opulent clothing.

I agree, but I don't think opulence looks any better on Paul Manafort.  He's more honest about claiming he deserves it.  OK.  Where does that get us?

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Re: Social Democracy
« Reply #181 on: September 14, 2018, 11:44:44 AM »
Does she actually own those clothes or were they provided to her for a photo shoot?

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Re: Social Democracy
« Reply #182 on: September 14, 2018, 11:45:20 AM »
Posting from Infowars automatically makes me not read the post.

It's actually factually accurate here though.

It's just not a good look to run on a message of economic equality and then wear opulent clothing.

I agree, but I don't think opulence looks any better on Paul Manafort.  He's more honest about claiming he deserves it.  OK.  Where does that get us?

Yeah literally no idea what Paul Manafort has to do with a social democrat wearing high priced clothes. The CEO of GE does as well, I'm sure, but that's not exactly pertinent to any of this...

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Re: Social Democracy
« Reply #183 on: September 14, 2018, 11:47:15 AM »
Does she actually own those clothes or were they provided to her for a photo shoot?

I'd argue the latter would be worse, actually. Because then its almost an idolatrous look at wealth.

Look, at the end of the day, it's not a huge deal - I'd expect Bernie to be in Brooks Brothers at most too. If he wears an Armani suit, it doesn't make him a bad guy or terrible at his job, its just hypocritical.

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Re: Social Democracy
« Reply #184 on: September 14, 2018, 11:50:10 AM »
She's being criticized for the tension between her clothes and her stated beliefs.  Paul Manafort wears ostrich but opulence comports with his political views.  Does opulence look better on someone who disavows equality?  Stated succinctly-- two people dress up.  One is liberal.  Is it more wrong for them?

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Re: Social Democracy
« Reply #185 on: September 14, 2018, 11:51:25 AM »
Does she actually own those clothes or were they provided to her for a photo shoot?

I'd argue the latter would be worse, actually. Because then its almost an idolatrous look at wealth.

Look, at the end of the day, it's not a huge deal - I'd expect Bernie to be in Brooks Brothers at most too. If he wears an Armani suit, it doesn't make him a bad guy or terrible at his job, its just hypocritical.

But neither of these people are arguing that it is not OK to be wealthy.  They are arguing that people should be paid living wages and be provided with health care.  Neither of these goals prevents people from being wealthy.  I think people are assuming that they are preaching equal pay for all people, which they are not. 

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Re: Social Democracy
« Reply #186 on: September 14, 2018, 11:52:14 AM »
She's being criticized for the tension between her clothes and her stated beliefs.  Paul Manafort wears ostrich but opulence comports with his political views.  Does opulence look better on someone who disavows equality?  Stated succinctly-- two people dress up.  One is liberal.  Is it more wrong for them?

Comparing her to someone with the moral fiber of Paul Manafort..... Mussolini dressed up too?

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Re: Social Democracy
« Reply #187 on: September 14, 2018, 11:52:47 AM »
Does she actually own those clothes or were they provided to her for a photo shoot?

I'd argue the latter would be worse, actually. Because then its almost an idolatrous look at wealth.

Look, at the end of the day, it's not a huge deal - I'd expect Bernie to be in Brooks Brothers at most too. If he wears an Armani suit, it doesn't make him a bad guy or terrible at his job, its just hypocritical.

But neither of these people are arguing that it is not OK to be wealthy.  They are arguing that people should be paid living wages and be provided with health care.  Neither of these goals prevents people from being wealthy.  I think people are assuming that they are preaching equal pay for all people, which they are not. 

And how exactly is she wealthy, right now... as a former bartender turned candidate...

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Re: Social Democracy
« Reply #188 on: September 14, 2018, 11:54:58 AM »
Does she actually own those clothes or were they provided to her for a photo shoot?

I'd argue the latter would be worse, actually. Because then its almost an idolatrous look at wealth.

Look, at the end of the day, it's not a huge deal - I'd expect Bernie to be in Brooks Brothers at most too. If he wears an Armani suit, it doesn't make him a bad guy or terrible at his job, its just hypocritical.

But neither of these people are arguing that it is not OK to be wealthy.  They are arguing that people should be paid living wages and be provided with health care.  Neither of these goals prevents people from being wealthy.  I think people are assuming that they are preaching equal pay for all people, which they are not. 

And how exactly is she wealthy, right now... as a former bartender turned candidate...

She isn't wealthy at all.  This is a fake issue.

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Re: Social Democracy
« Reply #189 on: September 14, 2018, 11:56:59 AM »
Lol. Alright.

It's a fair critique. Albeit an extremely minor one. And the left's ability to obfuscate that just continues to baffle me. "Not a good look given the circumstances, but not a big deal." That's the perfect response.

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Re: Social Democracy
« Reply #190 on: September 14, 2018, 11:57:26 AM »
This idea that you have to live your entire life the exact same way as the people you seek to help is absurd.  As freefour noted, she's not saying it's not OK to be wealthy or to be able to buy more expensive clothing.

I'll criticize her once all Republicans start living out their family values and since accepting government money is evil, I expect them to decline their Social Security payments and Medicare as well.
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Re: Social Democracy
« Reply #191 on: September 14, 2018, 01:09:21 PM »
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I'll criticize her once all Republicans start living out their family values and since accepting government money is evil, I expect them to decline their Social Security payments and Medicare as well.
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Lol again. “They’re being hypocritical so I can be too” is BS. Be better than them or don’t

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Re: Social Democracy
« Reply #192 on: September 14, 2018, 06:49:59 PM »
Throughout history, socialist leaders often dressed in a manner to show proletarian unity (think Mao Suits). Hillary botched this by wearing garments similar to Mao Suits, but ones that came with $12,000 price tags. Now, this phony is making the same mistake. Her outfit appears to have cost more than most of the working class take home in pay every month:

Socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Wears $3,500 Outfit For Photo-op With Construction Workers

https://www.infowars.com/socialist-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-wears-3500-outfit-for-photo-op-with-construction-workers/

Ocasio-Cortez wore a $1990 Gabriela Hearst blazer, $890 Gabriela Hearst pants and $625 Monolo Blahnik shoes.

The outlay on such an expensive outfit left some wondering if such wealth could have been redistributed better.

When has she ever said that people can't buy clothing with their money. In fact, in social democracies aka places with government health care, consumers have more money to spend on clothing.

You may have noticed that Democratic Socialists / Social Democrats on Twitter and other places have added roses to their usernames. The logo of the Democratic Socialists of America also prominently displays a rose, a reference to "Bread and Roses", a central tenant of Democratic Socialism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_Roses

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"Bread and Roses" is a political slogan as well as the name of an associated poem and song. It originated from a speech given by Rose Schneiderman; a line in that speech ("The worker must have bread, but she must have roses, too.") inspired the title of the poem Bread and Roses by James Oppenheim.

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The phrase is commonly associated with the successful textile strike in Lawrence, Massachusetts, during January–March 1912, now often referred to as the "Bread and Roses strike". The slogan pairing bread and roses, appealing for both fair wages and dignified conditions, found resonance as transcending "the sometimes tedious struggles for marginal economic advances" in the "light of labor struggles as based on striving for dignity and respect".