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Re: Electric Scooter Sharing
« Reply #180 on: August 21, 2018, 02:22:15 PM »
What would a libertarian say?

Who pays for the roads?

Everyone, since gas taxes do not cover the full cost of roadways and most local roads are paid for out of the city/township/county general fund.

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Re: Electric Scooter Sharing
« Reply #181 on: August 21, 2018, 09:03:14 PM »
The interstate highway system is the largest and most expensive socialist program ever devised in the history of the world.

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« Reply #182 on: August 23, 2018, 10:30:14 AM »
I received my latest electric bill, which includes three weeks of Bird charging. It is about $5 more than last month's bill. I would assume that only part of that increase is due to Bird charging, since I also ran my air conditioner more during this cycle.

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« Reply #183 on: August 23, 2018, 01:10:46 PM »
The Dispatch ran a front page story in their Sunday edition about the electric scooters in Columbus.  Below is the headline as seen on the front page and a link to the ThisWeekNews on-line version of the article:



Electric scooters seemingly everywhere; regulations, not so much
By Mark Ferenchik, Patrick Cooley & Rick Rouan, The Columbus Dispatch
Updated: August 19, 2018 - 12:30 PM


Columbus is looking at a ďthoughtfulĒ approach to regulating the motorized scooters from Bird and Lime ó the two companies that recently placed scooters throughout the city ó while some central Ohio suburbs are choosing to ban them.

Cities across the country are grappling with how to regulate the electric scooters popping up on street corners and in other rights of way.  Though some local governments have waged war against the scooters, Columbus so far has embraced them as riders zip along streets and sidewalks, delighting some and aggravating others.

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« Reply #184 on: August 23, 2018, 01:11:17 PM »
The Sunday Dispatch article also had a bunch of action photos of the scooters in Columbus.  Full slideshow at http://www.thisweeknews.com/news/20180819/electric-scooters-seemingly-everywhere-regulations-not-so-much

Crossing High Street in the Short North on Bird Scooters:


Short North sidewalk with Lime Scooters lined up for rental:


Broken Lime Scooter at Capitol Square downtown near the Statehouse:


Scooter riders along with pedestrians on the Scioto Mile riverfront park in downtown:
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« Reply #185 on: August 23, 2018, 01:11:34 PM »
NBC4 also had this recent piece about all the electric scooters in Columbus (Bird & Lime).  Nice video with lots of action footage - check out the rider with the cigarette at 1:16 and 1:27.  Kind of a follow-up to a piece NBC4 did in July when only Bird scooters were available - posted at https://www.urbanohio.com/forum/index.php/topic,31970.msg926371.html#msg926371 previously in this thread:

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« Reply #186 on: August 24, 2018, 11:41:08 AM »
Columbus Aliveís Guide to Birds and Limes (aka the scooter invasion of 2018):

http://www.columbusalive.com/entertainment/20180815/community-feature-alives-guide-to-birds-and-limes

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Re: Electric Scooter Sharing
« Reply #187 on: August 24, 2018, 11:43:07 AM »
Has Cleveland banned them? They were everywhere and now I can't find them

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« Reply #188 on: August 24, 2018, 11:52:52 AM »
Has Cleveland banned them? They were everywhere and now I can't find them

It's only temporary until the city can negotiate a deal with them.

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« Reply #189 on: August 24, 2018, 03:23:16 PM »
I've been seeing them around Ohio City still.

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« Reply #190 on: August 27, 2018, 11:42:07 AM »
Even though the Bird scooters have only been operating for a few weeks in Cincinnati, a large percentage of them (maybe even a majority?) are damaged. There have been a few times that I tried to find one using the app and saw that the nearest (functional/available) one was 5 or 6 blocks away. While I'm walking to that one, I pass about a dozen other Bird scooters, some of which look normal, but when you scan them using the app, it says they're damaged and can't be checked out. I have also seen a few that were clearly vandalized, like somebody went full Office Space on it.

Now I would guess that Bird makes enough money from these rentals and their cost of doing business is so low, that they can still make a profit even with a few getting vandalized. This also makes the think about the future of other human-light businesses and how much vandalism customers will have to deal with. The most obvious analogy is driverless Ubers and Lyfts. Most likely, from time to time, you will order a driverless car and when it shows up, the interior will be vandalized or there will be dried puke all over the seats or something like that. Hopefully there will be an easy way in the app to report it as "damaged" so you won't get charged and a different driverless car will be dispatched to you.

Another thing that comes to mind is the employee-free stores, like the Amazon Go stores. Imagine that the technology gets so cheap that it rolls out to small town convenience stores. There will be a certain amount of vandalism that will be considered acceptable by the store owners because they're still making enough money due to not having to pay a cashier.

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« Reply #191 on: August 27, 2018, 11:47:14 AM »
@taestell - Sittenfeld just tweeted this morning about a meeting he had with Bird this morning discussing, among other things, the damaged/vandalized scooters.
https://twitter.com/PGSittenfeld/status/1034087097853005824

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« Reply #192 on: August 27, 2018, 11:53:05 AM »
Even though the Bird scooters have only been operating for a few weeks in Cincinnati, a large percentage of them (maybe even a majority?) are damaged. There have been a few times that I tried to find one using the app and saw that the nearest (functional/available) one was 5 or 6 blocks away. While I'm walking to that one, I pass about a dozen other Bird scooters, some of which look normal, but when you scan them using the app, it says they're damaged and can't be checked out. I have also seen a few that were clearly vandalized, like somebody went full Office Space on it.

Now I would guess that Bird makes enough money from these rentals and their cost of doing business is so low, that they can still make a profit even with a few getting vandalized. This also makes the think about the future of other human-light businesses and how much vandalism customers will have to deal with. The most obvious analogy is driverless Ubers and Lyfts. Most likely, from time to time, you will order a driverless car and when it shows up, the interior will be vandalized or there will be dried puke all over the seats or something like that. Hopefully there will be an easy way in the app to report it as "damaged" so you won't get charged and a different driverless car will be dispatched to you.

Another thing that comes to mind is the employee-free stores, like the Amazon Go stores. Imagine that the technology gets so cheap that it rolls out to small town convenience stores. There will be a certain amount of vandalism that will be considered acceptable by the store owners because they're still making enough money due to not having to pay a cashier.

As a charger, the most common damage I encounter are flat tires. I'd say about one third of Birds I capture have a flat tire. I've encountered none that seem like they were intentionally vandalized. I did get one that had obviously been involved in a pretty nasty crash. The process for reporting these is easy. I just mark it damaged, charge it, and put it back out in the morning. It seems like maybe they need more mechanics in Cincinnati to keep up with all the flat tires.

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« Reply #193 on: August 27, 2018, 11:53:38 AM »
I'm glad there is at least a discussion about ticketing people who ride the scooters on sidewalks. Not confident that any actual action will come of it, though.

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« Reply #194 on: August 27, 2018, 12:11:42 PM »
Saw a guy on a BIRD in Sedamsville riding toward town on Rt 50 today. They arent quite set for the speeds along here but he was impressively mixed in with the car traffic.

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« Reply #195 on: August 27, 2018, 12:11:54 PM »
My son rides the Bird scooters a lot (in Cincinnati/OTR).  he says there are bunch where people have removed the scanning tag, therefore you can't activate them.  He also says it is frustrating to see a Bird is available on his phone and walk to the location, only to find that someone is keeping the Bird in their house or in a courtyard that is inaccessible.

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« Reply #196 on: August 27, 2018, 12:16:05 PM »
The most obvious analogy is driverless Ubers and Lyfts. Most likely, from time to time, you will order a driverless car and when it shows up, the interior will be vandalized or there will be dried puke all over the seats or something like that. Hopefully there will be an easy way in the app to report it as "damaged" so you won't get charged and a different driverless car will be dispatched to you.

Security cameras have come a long way - I think a lot of vandalism should be able to be detected by the car and flagged automatically. A few cameras in each car (I imagine they would have these, anyway) could cover most angles and software could detect changes and identify what the change is. If someone gets out of the car and leaves their phone or wallet behind on the seat, software can recognize the pixels look different than what an empty seat should look like and raise a flag. With enough practice, software can start to make an accurate assumption as to what the difference is - a phone looks visibly different than a pile of vomit, for example. So in the event you leave your phone behind, the car would recognize it as soon as you stepped out, roll the window down, and in a robot voice say "taestell, I believe you forgot your phone."

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« Reply #197 on: August 27, 2018, 12:54:48 PM »
People leaving their phones in your car is probably the #1 irritation with Uber driving.  How is it that these people bury their heads in their phones for the entire trip but then leave the damn thing in the car?  I can't explain it.  I remember right when the iPhone 6 came out that Uber drivers were throwing them out their windows onto the freeway instead of driving them back to passengers.  I had maybe 2 times where people gave me $10 for bringing their phone back to them but the rest of the time they tried to turn around their embarrassment on me, as if it was I who caused them to lose their phone and I should have brought it back to them faster. 


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« Reply #198 on: August 28, 2018, 01:39:38 PM »
This just in:  https://www.10tv.com/article/city-columbus-begins-placing-restrictions-shared-scooters-and-bicycles

City of Columbus begins placing restrictions on shared scooters and bicycles

The city of Columbus on Tuesday began regulating shared mobility devices, most commonly known as shared scooters and bicycles.  The rules took effect immediately.
  • Companies seeking to offer shared mobility devices for public use must obtain permits from the department to operate in the city.  A maximum of eight companies at any one time may offer their products in the city.
  • The devices must be parked in an upright position and cannot be parked in the vehicle portions of the street, including parking spots and loading zones.  They also cannot be parked in doorways, and they cannot block pedestrians on sidewalks or curb ramps, fire escapes, inside bus shelters, in driveways or on unauthorized private property or unapproved non-public spaces.
  • The city of Columbus may designate parking/staging spots for the devices in the city to assist with keeping order in the public's right of way.
  • Each company that receives a permit to offer shared mobility devices in the city is limited to offering up to 500 devices.  The director of public service has the authority to increase this number based on demand and usage.  The devices offered must not be able to go faster than 15 MPH.
  • Companies offering shared mobility devices are required to educate riders on responsible and legal use of their devices.
  • Companies offering shared mobility devices must deploy at least some of devices in neighborhoods outside of the central business district as designated by the office of the mayor.
  • Companies offering shared mobility devices must put in place access to the service for those without credit cards.
  • Companies with existing operations will have 30 days to come into compliance.
MORE: https://www.10tv.com/article/city-columbus-begins-placing-restrictions-shared-scooters-and-bicycles
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Re: Electric Scooter Sharing
« Reply #199 on: August 28, 2018, 02:57:06 PM »
The war on scooters is so dumb.
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« Reply #200 on: August 29, 2018, 02:22:04 PM »
@johnyungphat
Every time I see an article about E-Scooter Share I just sub out the word Bird/Lime with car to see if there is a bias. There is.
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« Reply #201 on: August 30, 2018, 12:24:35 AM »
Bird wants to add more scooters to Cincinnati, but the city wants something first

Bird Rides, the California-based startup that provides electric scooters for rent in downtown Cincinnati, wants to add more of the vehicles to the urban basin, but there are a few kinks to work out before that can happen.

Bird Rides Inc. launched a fleet of dockless electronic scooters in Cincinnati on July 26, and they've since become almost ubiquitous downtown. Riders download the Bird app, scan a code on an available scooter and zip off. Scooters cost $1 to unlock and then 15 cents per minute to ride.

Bird launched with a fleet of scooters downtown without first consulting the city. Cincinnati came to a deal with the company on Aug. 8 to permit the scooters on the streets, but it imposed some rules: Bird was limited to 100 scooters and must sign an indemnity agreement with the city, meet minimum insurance requirements and provide a customer service contact phone number.

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« Reply #202 on: August 31, 2018, 09:00:41 PM »
Good thing we got rid of the @BirdRide scooters that were a nuisance in the public right of way because these cars on @CLEPublicSquare might not have a place to park otherwise. @SceneSallard @BollardsofCTown @chrisronayne #CLEParkingSquare https://t.co/GVpTuWZ7cA
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« Reply #203 on: September 03, 2018, 10:50:22 PM »
A guy pushing two Birds up the super-steep Monastery St. hill:


I asked him as I passed and he said he was taking them up the hill to charge them.  That's a lot of effort to make...$15~?

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« Reply #204 on: September 04, 2018, 08:29:24 AM »
I saw a Bird yesterday with the head ripped off and just wires dangling out of the top of the stem.  Where is the GPS device in these?  Is it easily removed?  Does the GPS work when the power is removed?

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« Reply #205 on: September 04, 2018, 11:42:38 AM »
A guy pushing two Birds up the super-steep Monastery St. hill:


I asked him as I passed and he said he was taking them up the hill to charge them.  That's a lot of effort to make...$15~?

Well, they could be worth as much as $40, and almost surely more than $15. It's easy to find ones that are worth $10+ if you walk around a bit. And if he was out walking for exercise anyway then it doesn't really require much work to just grab a couple and roll them home up the hill.

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« Reply #206 on: September 05, 2018, 04:18:48 PM »
Columbus sets preliminary rules for scooter drivers


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Mayor Andrew Ginther's administration is setting these "emergency" rules until City Council acts:

*Understand and follow all traffic laws. A driverís license is not required, but riders need to be at least 16 years old.
*Those under 18 years old must wear a helmet.
*Donít ride on the sidewalk. Only ride on the sidewalk when parking or going to or from an adjacent property.
*For scooter users only, ride only on streets with speed limits of 35 mph or less.
*For scooter users only, donít go faster than 20 mph.
*Donít put more than one rider on a scooter. Also, donít hitch your device to another vehicle.
*Donít ride more than two side by side.
*Take care to brake safely.
*Donít carry packages or other items that keep you from having one hand on the handlebars at all times.
*Watch where you park. Park the device on the sidewalk in a way that does not block pedestriansí movement.
*Devices need to have a white headlight and red rear reflectors if you ride at night.

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https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2018/09/05/columbus-sets-preliminary-rules-for-scooter.html
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« Reply #207 on: September 05, 2018, 06:35:11 PM »
Downtown Cincinnati is now about 50 minutes into an absolute deluge of a downpour, complete with intermittent hail (I took a hit to the arm by a nickle sized piece) and a few lighting strikes every minute. I'd be surprised if we don't end up with over 2 inches of rain over the course of about an hours time. About 20 minutes into the storm I spotted a guy leisurely scooting down the sidewalk on his Bird.

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« Reply #208 on: September 05, 2018, 06:46:03 PM »
Weatherman said you guys got 13 inches of rain in July.

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« Reply #209 on: September 06, 2018, 11:19:30 AM »
Here's how much Bird and Lime paid Nashville to park their scooters



Scooter companies Bird and Lime may have hundreds of scooters dotting Nashville streets, but they had to pay a steep price to get them there.

As part of the permitting process, both companies paid $18,000 last week to release up to 500 scooters throughout Nashville, according to the Metropolitan Department of Public Works. Bird and Lime are the only companies to receive permits so far.

Under the city's recently passed ordinance, companies hoping to operate in Nashville must pay an annual $500 application fee, in addition to $35 for each scooter they'd like to deploy. At 500 scooters, Bird and Lime are both at the maximum amount of scooters they can operate during their first month in Nashville.

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