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Offline mu2010

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #120 on: January 27, 2018, 03:26:30 PM »
You are correct that Clevelanders say it that way, most specifically when referring to Carnegie Avenue. I have no idea the accuracy of this statement, but one time years ago in the Plain Dealer I read that it was Clevelanders who are pronouncing the Andrew Carnegie's name correctly and everyone else is botching it... Anybody know?

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #121 on: January 27, 2018, 03:43:47 PM »
Just for the record, I'm free of any Cleveland area accent, if I do say so myself. I'm old, so I grew up in the period mentioned in this quote. the vowel shift apparently didn't start appearing until the late 1960's, when much of my public school education was completed. As this article points out, and as a high school English teacher I had noted, that those from NE Ohio spoke standard American English

The Origins and Evolution of the Cleveland Accent (Yes, You Have an Accent, Cleveland)

https://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/the-origins-and-evolution-of-the-cleveland-accent-yes-you-have-an-accent-cleveland/Content?oid=4949852

"Edward McClelland, who has written extensively about language and the Midwest, recently completed a book called How to Speak Midwestern. He believes the notion that this part of the country speaks some unicorn version of English that is devoid of any distinct sound goes back to a time when the Cleveland area was, in fact, considered the broadcast industry standard."

"For a period of time in the middle part of the 20th century, what was considered a neutral accent was based in the Cleveland area," McClelland says. "This is ironic because now the [vowel] shift has made Cleveland speech more distinct from the rest of the nation."

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #122 on: January 27, 2018, 04:12:26 PM »
You are correct that Clevelanders say it that way, most specifically when referring to Carnegie Avenue. I have no idea the accuracy of this statement, but one time years ago in the Plain Dealer I read that it was Clevelanders who are pronouncing the Andrew Carnegie's name correctly and everyone else is botching it... Anybody know?

Wow I never knew that but you’re right (according to The NY Times via the Carnegie Corporation). I always said it that way because Tom Hamilton did 😂

www.nytimes.com/2004/06/20/nyregion/fyi-019240.html

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #123 on: January 27, 2018, 09:39:34 PM »
Well I just know that Andrew Carnegie was the steel monopoly. I don't say Carnugee, rather I say Carnigee, the right way to pronounce his name in history. Such an American name for someone of the Scotts.

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #124 on: January 28, 2018, 06:52:55 PM »
When I was in Cleveland, I heard CAR-nuh-ghee more than anything. I'm from Columbus and say Car-NAY-ghee.

I think most people in the U.S. would say CAR-nuh-ghee. I hear people say it like that referring to Carnegie Hall or Carnegie-Mellon.
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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #125 on: January 31, 2018, 04:03:23 PM »
I heard a woman say "melk" today.  I interrupted her and asked if she was from Cleveland.  She said no but her parents are from Sandusky. 

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #126 on: February 01, 2018, 04:28:29 AM »
I get that alot...
"Melk"...
Are you from Cleveland?
such a fateful word...

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #127 on: February 01, 2018, 09:08:50 AM »
Melk is also drank and spoken of fondly in NY/NJ.

Oh - my gf from Sarasota, FLOOR-idduh always makes fun of the incorrect way I say FLARR-uddah. Then I saw this last week, and feel almost vindicated. 

Check out the accents!

https://www.reddit.com/r/history/comments/7tkybk/rare_footage_of_interviews_with_elderly_people_in/

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #128 on: February 01, 2018, 09:40:58 AM »
I grew up in the Cleveland area and one of my high school buddies does say "melk." The rest of us all tease him about it though. So it's a Cleveland thing but still weird enough that other Clevelanders think it's weird?
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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #129 on: February 01, 2018, 10:23:38 AM »

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #130 on: February 01, 2018, 10:56:05 AM »
Yes, I get teased about this all the time by my fiance and her family here in Cincy.  I am from Cedar Rapids, IA.  We weren't at my cousins wedding two weekends ago and we did a test and everyone in my immediate family says "melk", but we definitely don't say the name Ben as "Bin", which is common in the south especially the Texas / Oklahoma accent types but also I guess in other areas of the south.

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #131 on: February 01, 2018, 12:27:01 PM »
^^ What's up with the little dot of purple in the CA Central Valley?

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #132 on: February 01, 2018, 12:30:25 PM »
The Inland Empire is basically Arkanas

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #133 on: February 01, 2018, 12:43:26 PM »
The Inland Empire is basically Arkanas


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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #134 on: February 01, 2018, 12:57:16 PM »
The Inland Empire is basically Arkanas

Sounds like a joke, but yeah, Dust Bowl migration explains it.

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #135 on: February 01, 2018, 12:59:44 PM »
Also, people in Tennessee, and possibly elsewhere, are fond of calling pens "ink pens".  Or even "ANKpins".
 

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #136 on: February 01, 2018, 01:05:16 PM »
The Inland Empire is basically Arkanas

That dot isn't the IE, though. Guess that's probably like Bakersfield, but the Central Valley is pretty Hispanic outside of some of the larger towns like Fresno and Bakersfield. The IE isn't really the same vibe at all. It's pretty Hispanic and there's a decent (for CA) black population in places like San Bernardino these days, too. It seems to be the preferred spot for people being priced out of South LA, and there's quite a bit of crime and 'urban' issues out there instead of a bunch of country folk like what it used to be a couple decades ago. I was reading the comments on some article about San Bernardino just yesterday, and they largely consisted of white people complaining about Mexicans taking over, and Mexicans complaining about white meth heads lol.

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #137 on: February 01, 2018, 01:09:56 PM »
The Inland Empire is basically Arkanas

That dot isn't the IE, though. Guess that's probably like Bakersfield, but the Central Valley is pretty Hispanic outside of some of the larger towns like Fresno and Bakersfield.

My guess as well. Anyone here ever heard of Bakersfield country music?

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #138 on: February 01, 2018, 01:15:18 PM »
The Inland Empire is basically Arkanas

That dot isn't the IE, though. Guess that's probably like Bakersfield, but the Central Valley is pretty Hispanic outside of some of the larger towns like Fresno and Bakersfield.

My guess as well. Anyone here ever heard of Bakersfield country music?


Um, of course.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakersfield_sound

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #139 on: February 01, 2018, 01:17:39 PM »
The Inland Empire is basically Arkanas

That dot isn't the IE, though. Guess that's probably like Bakersfield, but the Central Valley is pretty Hispanic outside of some of the larger towns like Fresno and Bakersfield.

My guess as well. Anyone here ever heard of Bakersfield country music?


Um, of course.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakersfield_sound


Always worth mentioning that one torchbearer of the genre is Ohio's own Dwight Yoakam. Who if the map is to be believed, does not say "Melk."

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #140 on: February 02, 2018, 02:18:19 PM »
As I recall the one and only time I ever heard anyone in Ohio say "melk" was a friend in Columbus (an OSU Law School graduate, no less) who was from Columbus. Although she was born and raised in Columbus, her father was from Cleveland. Don't know if that means anything ::)

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #141 on: February 02, 2018, 02:22:07 PM »
somebody should open a restaurant called Melk

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #142 on: February 13, 2018, 10:30:05 AM »
This guy probably has one of the thicker Cleveland/Northern Cities accents I've heard in a while:

 
“To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #143 on: February 13, 2018, 10:47:03 AM »
At 0:26 listen to how he says, "Then we're going to chill our cup."  :D

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #144 on: February 13, 2018, 11:45:22 AM »
At 0:26 listen to how he says, "Then we're going to chill our cup."  :D
“Coupe” is a type of cocktail glass

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #145 on: February 13, 2018, 12:03:54 PM »
This guy probably has one of the thicker Cleveland/Northern Cities accents I've heard in a while:

 

Hey, now I know how to make a Jeeyapaneez Cacktail!

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #146 on: February 14, 2018, 02:24:45 AM »
notice how much he uses is nasals to pronounce things like house, downtown, and tremont

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #147 on: February 14, 2018, 03:19:13 AM »
notice how much he uses is nasals to pronounce things like house, downtown, and tremont

It's weird to me that this accent isn't an east side or west side accent, as isolated as the two sides are. You hear this everywhere. Some people are more subtle than others but it's prevalent on both sides of town.

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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #148 on: February 14, 2018, 07:42:39 AM »


I don't think I have much of a northern accent (I have been told). Sometimes words slip in though. Last time I was in eastern new york I mentioned Al-bany, the city, and two locals to that area just looked at me. I repeated All-bany, they then continued the conversation, haha.


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Re: Northeast Accents
« Reply #149 on: February 15, 2018, 04:13:23 PM »
I can say I have never heard Albany with an Al, always heard it with an All...even here with the Cleveland accent...  :)