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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1380 on: May 30, 2018, 10:15:22 PM »
We heard endlessly for the past year that MLS wasn't going to let any future franchises play in an NFL stadium.  But it looks like Detroit is going to get away with it. 

That's far from a certainty.

Your endless conspiracy theories are nauseating.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1381 on: May 30, 2018, 10:18:02 PM »
We heard endlessly for the past year that MLS wasn't going to let any future franchises play in an NFL stadium.  But it looks like Detroit is going to get away with it.

Atlanta, who joined the MLS just last year, plays in an NFL stadium. As with the two other NFL stadium teams (New England, Seattle), the team is co-owned by its respective NFL owner.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1382 on: May 30, 2018, 10:24:48 PM »
Jake - I think you are reading into it. The quote said they looked at a number of sites and they looked at Nippert. It was already revealed they dismissed Nippert and the renovation of Nippert as a viable possibility. The other sites were looked at as well. West End showed to be the best site for all parties involved. I think the article it not well written and therefore, the inference you are making, while reasonable is not necessarily accurate.

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« Reply #1383 on: May 30, 2018, 11:02:55 PM »
That's far from a certainty.

Your endless conspiracy theories are nauseating.

I called that this was coming to the West End months before just about anyone else.  I called the land swap.  I called that they'd come back to CPS with more money after the bluff.  People made fun of me here and elsewhere but I was right.  Plus, I'm going to make over $50,000 on the land I bought for $10,000 near the stadium.  My only error was not buying more when I had the chance. 

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1384 on: May 30, 2018, 11:46:17 PM »
We heard endlessly for the past year that MLS wasn't going to let any future franchises play in an NFL stadium.  But it looks like Detroit is going to get away with it. 

That's far from a certainty.

Your endless conspiracy theories are nauseating.

Nauseating? Thatís a bit much. I find the conspiracy theories entertaining, even if I donít always agree with them.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1385 on: May 31, 2018, 06:38:21 AM »
Cincinnati got the last pro franchise it will ever be awarded.

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« Reply #1386 on: May 31, 2018, 07:43:29 AM »
Besides NE is looking to build a soccer specific stadium in Boston. NYCFC is also looking to build a SSS, which will probably just leave Seattle and Atlanta, both whom control the stadium. I'd rather FCC stay in the USL and play at Nippert then move to PBS. That place would be awful for FCC. Detroit might get a pass for a few years but in the end they'll require a SSS or they'll have make massive renovations like ripping the roof off and planting grass (which the Lions won't want). That's assuming they'll get a team. Phoenix, Las Vegas, San Diego, Raleigh and Sacramento still remain as possible major players for the next expansion in a few years.

WVXU breaks down what should be obvious to everyone, MLS and FCC wanted the West End the rest was just noise:
http://wvxu.org/post/how-fc-cincinnati-jeff-berding-and-carl-lindner-iii-got-everything-they-wanted

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1387 on: May 31, 2018, 08:35:45 AM »
MLS saying they looked at seeing how Nippert could possibly work does not equal MLS saying Nippert was an acceptable venue to get Cincy a bid.  Nippert and Paul Brown were never going to be acceptable, it was new stadium or no MLS bid. 

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« Reply #1388 on: May 31, 2018, 12:42:29 PM »
Cincinnati got the last pro franchise it will ever be awarded.

There's a good chance in about five years that FCC will start a NWSL team (top women's soccer league). A lot of the other MLS teams have been entering that league. Portland has been especially successful, averaging 17,000 a game, almost as much as the men's team. As a side note, their team name - Portland Thorns - is one of my favorite in all of sports (Portland is known as the Rose City).

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1389 on: May 31, 2018, 02:59:19 PM »
^ Given the popularity of womens soccer in Cincinnati and the professional players who have come from this area, it would be a natural fit. IT will mean the stadium gets used another 20 times a year too, and cover the overhead even more. It is probably part of the business plan. Heck, they may even give Heather Mitts an ownership interest

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« Reply #1390 on: May 31, 2018, 06:16:33 PM »
^ Given the popularity of womens soccer in Cincinnati and the professional players who have come from this area, it would be a natural fit. IT will mean the stadium gets used another 20 times a year too, and cover the overhead even more. It is probably part of the business plan. Heck, they may even give Heather Mitts an ownership interest
and cincy could be "the terror tiaras" or maybe the tiara terroists"

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1391 on: May 31, 2018, 06:41:32 PM »
they may even give Heather Mitts an ownership interest

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1392 on: June 08, 2018, 03:32:43 PM »
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I just want to reiterate that the claim that "the new stadium is being built entirely with private money" is BS. Out of the $35 million being spent on "infrastructure", a little over $5 million is being spent on site preparation ó demolishing the existing buildings that are on that site, doing environmental remediation, surveying, installation of construction fencing, and other related costs. In any other construction project, these costs are considered to be a part of the overall project cost, not part of the "infrastructure" that the city is responsible for.

The remaining $30 million will be spent on the new parking garage and road infrastructure.
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« Reply #1393 on: June 08, 2018, 03:45:22 PM »
Also, it is now official that Cincinnati Public Radio is looking for a new home. They probably suspect (if they haven't already been given official notice) that they're going to get evicted from their current building (which they share with WCET) so that the city can knock it and build the new FCC parking garage there.

One other thought: if WVXU and WCET both leave that block, it eliminates one of the reasons to rebuild the skywalk, since there will not be a need for audio/video cables linking the studios to Music Hall.

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« Reply #1394 on: June 08, 2018, 04:31:20 PM »
North College Hill is apperantly forming a competitive bid to win the fcc practice facility.

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« Reply #1395 on: June 08, 2018, 11:39:53 PM »
Interesting.  I hadn't heard/seen anything regarding NCH and the FCC practice facility. 

I can assure you that FCC has invested a considerable amount of energy and money for a facility that is not in NCH.  I'm not gonna reveal where exactly the current proposed practice facility is to be located, but it has been correctly mentioned by other folks online outside of this message board. 

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« Reply #1396 on: June 09, 2018, 12:19:27 AM »
Interesting.  I hadn't heard/seen anything regarding NCH and the FCC practice facility. 

I can assure you that FCC has invested a considerable amount of energy and money for a facility that is not in NCH.  I'm not gonna reveal where exactly the current proposed practice facility is to be located, but it has been correctly mentioned by other folks online outside of this message board.

Tied into the HQ one county over?

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« Reply #1397 on: June 11, 2018, 01:52:44 PM »
So some good news on the West End Stadium front....

1) Stadium will be multi purpose and will host concerts (PromoWest?) and other matches (Im guessing US National Games, maybe highschool soccer matches?) throughout the year. It will be a space that will try to be maximized in usage.

2) Capacity has shot up from 21k...current rumor is fcc will try to start with 25k for 2021 opening season.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1398 on: June 13, 2018, 05:43:50 PM »
DC's Audi Field is about to open in a few weeks... but it seems like somebody failed to realize that late afternoon/evening sun would shine directly into the cameras, which are set up in the east grandstand. I don't know why they put the media booths in the east grandstand. I sure hope FCC's stadium puts the media on the west side of the stadium, so that we don't have to deal with late afternoon sun shining into the cameras.

http://dcist.com/2018/06/is_dc_united_ready_for_its_close-up.php


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Re: Cincinnati: West End: FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1400 on: June 22, 2018, 02:56:54 PM »
Also, FC closed on the new Stargel Stadium site on June 1 for $3.5 million:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/1509+Central+Pkwy,+Cincinnati,+OH+45214/@39.108295,-84.5249861,274m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x8841b3ff98922331:0x1a5d402627799dd!8m2!3d39.111224!4d-84.520972

FC Cincinnati's "West End Ventures, LLC" now owns 70 individual parcels. 


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Re: Cincinnati: West End: FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1401 on: June 22, 2018, 04:28:09 PM »
How much do you estimate it cost to buy all of those parcels?

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« Reply #1402 on: June 27, 2018, 10:01:27 AM »
Organizers: Petition to put FC Cincinnati money on ballot has failed

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2018/06/27/organizers-petition-put-fc-cincinnati-money-ballot-has-failed/737010002/

"We have examined and analyzed all of our petitions with a fine tooth comb ... we do not have the 6,400 valid signatures," petition organizer and former City Council candidate Brian Garry told The Enquirer on Tuesday. "We have decided not to submit our petitions to the city."

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« Reply #1403 on: June 29, 2018, 01:19:57 PM »
https://www.fccincinnati.com/news_article/show/930724

Stadium will break ground this year and be topped out by the end of 2020. Stargell stadium demolition and construction will start in the next month or so.

The stadium will be completely redesigned to fit the context of the neighborhood.

Goal is potentially 25k, maybe 27k...all depending on costs.

Also, I noticed in the image banner where it outlines the site of construction that the tall historic red warehouse structure on central parkway was not part of the present outline. Iím curious if this means the building will be preserved? Perhaps the orientation of the fcc stadium will be positioned in such a way that the red building will not be affected. Fingers crossed!

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« Reply #1404 on: June 29, 2018, 01:58:22 PM »
Jostin Concrete?  Well that explains why Smitherman was silent on the issue. 

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« Reply #1405 on: June 29, 2018, 02:01:00 PM »
Isn't Jostin involved in almost every local project that Turner does?

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« Reply #1406 on: June 29, 2018, 02:05:54 PM »
Isn't Jostin involved in almost every local project that Turner does?

Jostin is owned by Albert Smitherman, brother of councilman Chris Smitherman. 

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« Reply #1407 on: June 29, 2018, 02:15:23 PM »
Isn't Jostin involved in almost every local project that Turner does?

Jostin is owned by Albert Smitherman, brother of councilman Chris Smitherman. 

I know.  But you can almost assume that any project Turner does locally is going to partner with Jostin.

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« Reply #1408 on: June 29, 2018, 02:19:57 PM »
Meis quote on the design of the fcc stadium.

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As for the design elements, Meis said he was excited by the challenge of the West End site, adding that he's already walked the site multiple times and has picked out some existing architecture he'd like to pull from to inform his FC Cincinnati design.

"For me, it's often harder if we're working on a big, flat site with no context because then it's really just sort of an object," Meis said. "The great thing about (the West End) site is the physical constraints inform the design, so the idea of being able to connect through the neighborhood, understanding the scale of the neighboring buildings, making that part of the design and letting that inform the design Ė that's what's going to make this a really interesting project.

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« Reply #1409 on: June 29, 2018, 02:40:26 PM »
I'm thinking the stadium is going to be positioned diagonally. This would put the main entrance at Central Parkway and Wade Street. Probably structured parking underneath with most of it on the west side of the street.

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