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Re: Cincinnati: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1320 on: May 14, 2018, 01:40:41 PM »
FC Cincinnati, community leaders discuss benefits agreement



West End stakeholders, FC Cincinnati and elected leaders met on Saturday to discuss the community benefits agreement (CBA) required for the team to construct a soccer-specific stadium in the neighborhood.

An FC Cincinnati spokesperson said the teamís leaders and members of the community were unable to reach an agreement on changes to a proposed CBA but the franchise is willing to host another meeting on Wednesday ďif representatives of the neighborhood are successful in adopting a consensus.Ē

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1321 on: May 14, 2018, 01:54:54 PM »
If the Community Council cant agree on what they want to ask for as a group, then they don't deserve a seat at the table.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1322 on: May 14, 2018, 02:09:26 PM »
Negotiating with a Community Council of any kind is really difficult.  With the OTR and West End councils it is nothing short of impossible.
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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1323 on: May 14, 2018, 02:22:06 PM »
The old saying "too many cooks spoil the broth" applies here. When everyone has an equal voice, chaos reigns.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1324 on: May 15, 2018, 04:35:09 PM »
Hereís whatís next for FC Cincinnati with city council, West End

FC Cincinnati will take part in three key meetings on Wednesday as it strives to tie up loose ends on its plans to build a $200 million-plus soccer stadium in the West End.

First, FC Cincinnati officials will meet with West End residents and stakeholders in a private meeting at 8 a.m. Wednesday. Thatís essentially an extension of a meeting conducted Saturday between the two groups that didnít come to any resolution.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1325 on: May 16, 2018, 09:37:38 PM »
FC Cincinnati strikes deal with West End community

FC Cincinnati and the West End neighborhood have reached a deal on a community benefits agreement, a key step to its plans to build a $200 million-plus soccer stadium in the West End and its bid for a Major League Soccer franchise.

The deal came after FC Cincinnati officials met with West End representatives for about nine hours Wednesday in a marathon session that was originally expected to be completed by 1 p.m. But when it ran long, Cincinnati City Councilís Budget and Finance Committee meeting at 1 p.m. Wednesday went into recess until the negotiations wrapped up. They resumed meeting at 5:45 p.m. and approved the community benefits agreement after the deal had been reached. The full council approved it shortly after that.

FC Cincinnati needed the cityís approval of a community benefits agreement in order to get the cityís package of about $35 million for infrastructure costs around the stadium site.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1327 on: May 16, 2018, 10:59:41 PM »
Meanwhile on 700 WLW, Bill Cunningham continues to whine about the CBA, saying that "clowncil" is falling for the West End's "extortion."

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1328 on: May 17, 2018, 06:59:13 AM »
I think the fact that FCC is willing to agree to all of these things shows a lot of commitment. If this was demanded of any other development, odds are the developer would simply go ok nevermind, peace.
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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1329 on: May 17, 2018, 08:58:45 AM »
I think FCC knows they'll make so much money if they join MLS that a few hundred thousand dollars per year to the community is more than worth it to finalize a deal that will push them over the edge in their quest for an MLS invite.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1330 on: May 17, 2018, 01:37:39 PM »
It turns out that Cunningham was right on target. FC Cincinnati had to re-do the entire deal and kowtow to the West End discontented to get the deal back on track. It was DOA.

Of course, the end result was still crumbs for the school board and the neighbors, but, apparently, they are too stupid to know that.  Now it remains to be seen if this whole thing was just a Berding charade, or if he is a pawn for MLS.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1331 on: May 17, 2018, 02:17:20 PM »
Meanwhile on 700 WLW, Bill Cunningham continues to whine about the CBA, saying that "clowncil" is falling for the West End's "extortion."

Because it is a bad precedent to development in other parts of the city. If you have to be extorted by groups who do not have a specific property interest dictate terms to a willing buyer and seller, you are not very easy to do business with. It makes it much easier to just develop a cornfield

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1332 on: May 17, 2018, 02:36:00 PM »
Meanwhile on 700 WLW, Bill Cunningham continues to whine about the CBA, saying that "clowncil" is falling for the West End's "extortion."

Because it is a bad precedent to development in other parts of the city. If you have to be extorted by groups who do not have a specific property interest dictate terms to a willing buyer and seller, you are not very easy to do business with. It makes it much easier to just develop a cornfield

^ That's assuming that location doesn't matter in business location, which it obviously does. This is negotiation, which is somehow praised in business settings, but vilified when communities try to do it. FCC wants land in a community. They want to create noise and light pollution and generate large amounts of traffic, and the community is asking for something in exchange for allowing these negatives in their community. If FCC doesn't like it, let them go develop in a corn field. I'm sure that would get them an MLS bid. I don't see anything wrong with trying to get something positive out of what will otherwise be a major intrusion into the community. Especially given the shady and rushed nature of this deal, where Berding clearly thought he could impose false deadlines to steamroll the community and the school board. FCC has blundered this whole stadium deal from the beginning. That they are even at the point they are in is remarkable, IMO.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1333 on: May 17, 2018, 02:39:16 PM »
It is not just about FCC, it is about Children's too.

Look at Nashville, See how easy things came together for them with this deal. It helps speak to business leaders that things can get done quickly there. It encourages development instead of throwing up roadblocks.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1334 on: May 17, 2018, 02:48:28 PM »
But the Nashville location - a county fairgrounds - is far different than in the middle of an urban neighborhood. Additionally, politicians in Nashville are now looking at denying the funding of forcing a different site for the stadium (https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/05/15/nashville-mayors-brileys-challengers-unsure-mls-stadium-fairgrounds/608910002/).

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1335 on: May 17, 2018, 02:55:30 PM »
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics-extra/2018/05/16/fc-cincinnati-future-growth-jeopardy-after-soccer-stadium-deal/612546002/

This is a great reason why the madness needs to stop. Half the time the people against it don't really have a stake other than sucking money off the individuals who will truly benefit from the development. They harm the neighborhood in the long run.

When you let the Josh Spring's have a say in development, don't complain why the urban core declines and becomes a ghetto.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1336 on: May 17, 2018, 03:50:34 PM »
When you let developers run amok, don't be surprised when Uptown turns into a soulless suburb.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1337 on: May 17, 2018, 04:06:09 PM »
I would rather have a soulless suburb any day over a blighted ghetto.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1338 on: May 17, 2018, 05:01:36 PM »
The West End in its current form is not a "blighted ghetto." It is not currently living up to its potential, but let's not go over the top.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1339 on: May 17, 2018, 05:27:14 PM »
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics-extra/2018/05/16/fc-cincinnati-future-growth-jeopardy-after-soccer-stadium-deal/612546002/

This is a great reason why the madness needs to stop. Half the time the people against it don't really have a stake other than sucking money off the individuals who will truly benefit from the development. They harm the neighborhood in the long run.

When you let the Josh Spring's have a say in development, don't complain why the urban core declines and becomes a ghetto.
There is a lot of space between banning CBAs (basically what Jason Williams is arguing for) / letting developers do whatever they want, and letting Josh Spring tie us up with ridiculous requirements.

If we can't have a system of government that can distinguish between genuine neighborhood concerns, and Josh Spring rants, then we just have crappy government.

In my opinion the neighborhood councils are a place to go for local input, but we can not rely on them to negotiate and make critical decisions. At least, they need frameworks to work from. And professionals who are paid to facilitate. It's ridiculous to assume that any one of our neighborhood councils "speaks" for the  neighborhood. Most people don't even know they exist.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1340 on: May 17, 2018, 06:19:41 PM »
I'm sure Jason Williams and Bill Cunningham would be totally fine it some developer bought property right next to their homes and got City Council to change the zoning to allow the developer to build whatever they want. Neither one of these fine journalists would "extort" the developer or the city for asking for any concessions whatsoever. It's their land, they can do whatever they want with it!

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« Reply #1341 on: May 17, 2018, 06:23:59 PM »
The Jason Williams article is so gross. He's not even pretending to be unbiased anymore, he's unashamedly blowing the dog whistles.

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The utter chaos and extortion efforts that threatened to torpedo the $500 million Children's Hospital expansion and $200 million FC Cincinnati stadium projects call for a sense of urgency to address how development is done here.

Urban redevelopment opportunities are going to keep happening, and those who have a direct interest and legitimate concerns need to be heard. What can be done to ensure neighborhood residents and developers work together and self-serving outsiders looking for a handout stay away? [...]

Cranley led the effort to get $35 million in city money for stadium infrastructure. He contends it's mostly on City Council to take the lead on addressing the community engagement problems.

FC Cincinnati and West End Community Council entered a so-called CBA, a legally binding agreement that partly requires the club to pay the neighborhood $3 million over 30 years for community projects.

Wait a minute...which party is the one looking for a handout?

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1342 on: May 17, 2018, 06:36:29 PM »
I'm sure Jason Williams and Bill Cunningham would be totally fine it some developer bought property right next to their homes and got City Council to change the zoning to allow the developer to build whatever they want.


No doubt the blue bloods have welcomed Jason Williams into the fold.  When you hear him on WVXU, it's pretty obvious that he's dazzled by these people.  His columns read like they were pieced together from notes they sent him. 




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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1343 on: Yesterday at 09:32:58 AM »
The old theater on Central Ave. is still not under FC control:
http://wedge.hcauditor.org/view/re/0810002007700/2017/summary


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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1344 on: Yesterday at 09:55:21 AM »
FC Cincinnati plans major announcement
By Steve Watkins and Erin Caproni  Ė  Cincinnati Business Courier



FC Cincinnati is planning a major announcement on Fountain Square on Tuesday, according to multiple media reports.

The announcement, set for 5:30 p.m., is expected to cover the topic of Major League Soccer expansion and include city leaders.

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The event will likely be a celebration of the United Soccer League club's entry into MLS.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1345 on: Yesterday at 01:02:29 PM »
The old theater on Central Ave. is still not under FC control:
http://wedge.hcauditor.org/view/re/0810002007700/2017/summary

Cool looking building. Any chance for re-use?

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1346 on: Yesterday at 04:26:27 PM »
It would be demolished to make way for the stadium.

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Re: Cincinnati: West End: Proposed FC Cincinnati Stadium
« Reply #1347 on: Yesterday at 04:36:55 PM »
It would be demolished to make way for the stadium.

That's too bad it can't be worked in. Corner ticket office?

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« Reply #1348 on: Yesterday at 04:43:33 PM »
The team might have put that building under option a long time ago, meaning they agreed to a price well before the stadium was announced. 

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« Reply #1349 on: Yesterday at 04:59:37 PM »
It would be demolished to make way for the stadium.

That's too bad it can't be worked in. Corner ticket office?

The could save the facade and install it elsewhere, but the building is basically right in the middle of the new stadium.