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Offline Cleburger

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Re: 2018 Gubernatorial Election
« Reply #210 on: May 09, 2018, 12:42:17 PM »
Cordray smashed Kucinich - Dennis didn't even win one county.

Wow!  Not even Cuyahoga?  That's sad for Dennis!  Time to retire to the cushy life of a Fox News contributor.

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« Reply #211 on: May 09, 2018, 01:04:32 PM »
Cordray smashed Kucinich - Dennis didn't even win one county.

Wow!  Not even Cuyahoga?  That's sad for Dennis!  Time to retire to the cushy life of a Fox News contributor.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/08/us/elections/results-ohio-primary-elections.html

Schiavoni won Trumbull and Mahoning counties.  Cordray won the other 86.

In Cuyahoga it went Cordray 68,870, Kucinich 50,580, and Schiavoni 5,219.

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Re: 2018 Gubernatorial Election
« Reply #212 on: May 09, 2018, 01:09:10 PM »
Good.  Now I don't have to care so much who wins in November because we've actually got two good candidates in the general election.

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Re: 2018 Gubernatorial Election
« Reply #213 on: May 09, 2018, 01:11:49 PM »
#SaveTheCrew -- https://savethecrew.com/

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Re: 2018 Gubernatorial Election
« Reply #214 on: May 09, 2018, 01:56:29 PM »
I BADLY miss "boring" elections, where experienced politicians talked about actual issues

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Re: 2018 Gubernatorial Election
« Reply #215 on: May 09, 2018, 01:59:50 PM »
The enquirer had the headline today "Sanity Returns to Ohio"

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« Reply #216 on: May 09, 2018, 02:07:30 PM »
I BADLY miss "boring" elections, where experienced politicians talked about actual issues

But how are you supposed to own the libs by talking about boring policy and whatnot.

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« Reply #217 on: May 09, 2018, 02:12:36 PM »
I BADLY miss "boring" elections, where experienced politicians talked about actual issues

But how are you supposed to own the libs by talking about boring policy and whatnot.

Damn fair point. Idk how I can let the world know that everyone has Trump Derangement Syndrome without screaming

Offline Ram23

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« Reply #218 on: May 09, 2018, 02:23:38 PM »
But how are you supposed to own the libs by talking about boring policy and whatnot.

If you really want an answer, just scroll back a few years through any of the pre-Trump political threads on this forum and you'll see exactly how it used to be done.

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« Reply #219 on: May 09, 2018, 02:24:59 PM »
Leave the policy crap to D.C. propellerheads

Let's shoot some tube TVs with shotguns!

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Re: 2018 Gubernatorial Election
« Reply #220 on: May 09, 2018, 02:28:41 PM »
But how are you supposed to own the libs by talking about boring policy and whatnot.

If you really want an answer, just scroll back a few years through any of the pre-Trump political threads on this forum and you'll see exactly how it used to be done.

I don't think I've ever seen you discuss policy TBH.  I am not scrolling back to look for it either.  You and EVD hide when policy is discussed and only come around to own libs.

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« Reply #221 on: May 09, 2018, 02:29:43 PM »
Leave the policy crap to D.C. propellerheads

Let's shoot some tube TVs with shotguns!

I found some crazy hippy on the street who has crazy beliefs.  All libs are like this.  Hannity with the story at 9.

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« Reply #222 on: May 09, 2018, 02:31:14 PM »
But how are you supposed to own the libs by talking about boring policy and whatnot.

If you really want an answer, just scroll back a few years through any of the pre-Trump political threads on this forum and you'll see exactly how it used to be done.

*Weeps*

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« Reply #223 on: May 09, 2018, 02:40:02 PM »
But how are you supposed to own the libs by talking about boring policy and whatnot.

If you really want an answer, just scroll back a few years through any of the pre-Trump political threads on this forum and you'll see exactly how it used to be done.

*Weeps*

Remember when the conservatives on this board got mad at me for telling the truth.  Modern conservatism has no tenets other than making liberals mad.  I have been proven correct.

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Re: 2018 Gubernatorial Election
« Reply #224 on: May 15, 2018, 10:09:44 AM »
https://www.scribd.com/document/378736368/OH-Gov-PPP-for-Ohio-Democratic-Party-April-2018-May-2018

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A new Public Policy Polling survey finds that Democrat Richard Cordray continues to hold a strong lead against Republican Mike DeWine in the general election race for Ohio Governor.
 Cordray held a 9-point advantage (47/38)over DeWine in April and currently leads by 5 points (44/39).

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« Reply #225 on: May 15, 2018, 10:19:49 AM »
PPP tends to skew a little high toward the Dem candidate. I would anticipate Cordray is leading at this point, but since Ohio has been skewing rightward of late, I doubt it would be that high, especially since neither candidate carries much external baggage in this race nor are either candidates overly charismatic.

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Re: 2018 Gubernatorial Election
« Reply #226 on: May 15, 2018, 10:24:36 AM »
https://www.scribd.com/document/378736368/OH-Gov-PPP-for-Ohio-Democratic-Party-April-2018-May-2018

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A new Public Policy Polling survey finds that Democrat Richard Cordray continues to hold a strong lead against Republican Mike DeWine in the general election race for Ohio Governor.
 Cordray held a 9-point advantage (47/38)over DeWine in April and currently leads by 5 points (44/39).

PPP polls usually add about 2 to 3 percentage points for the Dem so I'd say this race is a complete tossup at this point.

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« Reply #227 on: May 15, 2018, 10:28:03 AM »
I think Cordray is unfortunately facing an uphill battle, even if Brown wins by a comfortable margin. DeWine has much better name recognition, and despite the Trump takeover of the ORP and somewhat bruising primary battle with Taylor, he's still seen as a moderate, sane, Kasich-style Republican. I can foresee a lot of split tickets, especially in suburban areas that vote for both Brown and DeWine

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« Reply #229 on: May 15, 2018, 10:30:12 AM »
I think Brown easily holds his Senate seat and the governors race will be a toss up.  But November is still a ways out and national events (economy, etc.) can change by then.  I think it comes down to whether economy continues growing or a slow down occurs.

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« Reply #230 on: May 15, 2018, 10:52:57 AM »
Brown is pretty popular and Renacci is not well known throughout most of the state.  It is not a great year for an upstart. If the Gov race was not going to be competitive, it may have helped Renacci but really cant see him winning this race.

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« Reply #231 on: May 15, 2018, 10:57:58 AM »
Brown is the like what the Midwest prototype for a Democrat should be like.  He is very progressive but he tends to focus his messaging on economic issues.  I don't really support many of his economic views myself but I think they are popular with blue-collar voters.

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« Reply #232 on: May 15, 2018, 11:26:22 AM »
https://www.scribd.com/document/378736368/OH-Gov-PPP-for-Ohio-Democratic-Party-April-2018-May-2018

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A new Public Policy Polling survey finds that Democrat Richard Cordray continues to hold a strong lead against Republican Mike DeWine in the general election race for Ohio Governor.
 Cordray held a 9-point advantage (47/38)over DeWine in April and currently leads by 5 points (44/39).

This is very surprising to me, to be honest. I feel like almost every poll I've seen has shown DeWine ahead. I'm a bit more (cautiously) optimistic about Cordray's chances now. He was clearly the right choice for the primary, and is a good fit for Ohio. I highly doubt that Kucinich would be polling ahead of DeWine if he won.

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« Reply #233 on: May 15, 2018, 11:27:05 AM »
Brown and Portman are probably our senators for as long as they want to be. As far as the PPP poll, that's nice for Cordray but there needs to be a few more polls from different pollsters to really get a good idea of where the race stands.

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« Reply #236 on: June 13, 2018, 08:59:05 AM »
The big difference between this and the Senate race is that Brown is already above 50% in the Senate race.  That tends to suggest an electorate that has already largely made up its mind, barring shocking new news.

There are a lot more undecideds in the governor's race.  But I'm not all that surprised that Cordray has a lead here, though I admit I'm surprised at the length of that lead, even at this early stage.

Remember one thing about the Republican attacks on the CFPB: They tended to focus on its structure.  It was drafted in a kind of constitutional limbo that made it easy to attack on that front.  Minimal accountability, separate funding, etc.  But when Republicans wanted to attack the substance of what the CFPB was actually doing, they seldom went to the broader media with that; that would be confined to specialized business press where the financial industry is part of the essential infrastructure of capitalism rather than a den of soulless, lying, cheating, bloodsucking parasites.

To this day, I remain convinced that most people didn't care overmuch about Trump's previous business bankruptcies in the general election because very few ordinary people actually lost their shirts in those bankruptcies.  Most of the losses fell on bondholders and other institutional investors.  I'm not even sure how many were held by retirement funds and similar vehicles that serve a broad range of ordinary-people beneficiaries.  Most of the losses might well have been borne by private equity investors and other high-end institutional investors.  And no one loses sleep over them.  At least no one in Ohio.  The bank bailout still remains one of the seminal moments in the formation of the tea party movement, and more particularly, the anger that motivated that movement.  That anger is the same anger that ultimately elected Trump.  And Cordray is more able to tap into it, if he chooses, than Republicans might expect.  I would be stunned if it played poorly in Ohio.  (In fact, one of the few things that I could see getting Trump's actual, serious fanbase to turn against him would be another bank bailout.)

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« Reply #237 on: June 13, 2018, 09:53:38 AM »


To this day, I remain convinced that most people didn't care overmuch about Trump's previous business bankruptcies in the general election because very few ordinary people actually lost their shirts in those bankruptcies.  Most of the losses fell on bondholders and other institutional investors.  I'm not even sure how many were held by retirement funds and similar vehicles that serve a broad range of ordinary-people beneficiaries.  Most of the losses might well have been borne by private equity investors and other high-end institutional investors.  And no one loses sleep over them.  At least no one in Ohio.  The bank bailout still remains one of the seminal moments in the formation of the tea party movement, and more particularly, the anger that motivated that movement.  That anger is the same anger that ultimately elected Trump.  And Cordray is more able to tap into it, if he chooses, than Republicans might expect.  I would be stunned if it played poorly in Ohio.  (In fact, one of the few things that I could see getting Trump's actual, serious fanbase to turn against him would be another bank bailout.)

It is absolutely true that we did not hear much about normal folks losing their shirts in those bankruptcies but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. I spend a decent amount of time in Atlantic City. Go there and talk to locals about the effect Trump had on that town. Lots of regular folks in that town lost their shirts because of Trump's actions.

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« Reply #238 on: June 13, 2018, 10:14:12 AM »
Atlantic City is irrelevant to the Right because it "lost", like Detroit.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Trump voters have been bankrupt themselves; that's why they don't mind. But imagine the hellfire from the Right if someone who went bankrupt was a Democratic candidate.

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« Reply #239 on: June 13, 2018, 11:09:23 AM »
Atlantic City is irrelevant to the Right because it "lost", like Detroit.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Trump voters have been bankrupt themselves; that's why they don't mind. But imagine the hellfire from the Right if someone who went bankrupt was a Democratic candidate.

Anecdotally, this rings true. My family members who are the most fervent Trumpers also have multiple bankruptcies.