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Offline CbusTransit

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Re: Cleveland Hopkins International Airport
« Reply #3420 on: October 10, 2017, 06:49:03 AM »
Im sure that Burke would not be 'lightly used green space.' Lakefront parks are massively visited across the region. And are spurring adjacent development in many cases, something that Burke has yet to really do

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Re: Cleveland Hopkins International Airport
« Reply #3421 on: October 10, 2017, 07:47:22 AM »
Tremendous public asset?  Burke?  Talk about utterly stupid ideas!

Do you know how long it would take the city to convince the FAA to shut down Burke?   Long enough that Amazon will have built 40 buildings in Detroit by the time it clears all the committees.   This is an idea that should be shelved in replace with an Amazon campus in the CBD using Burke as an additional tool for Amazon's business, not a landfill to build on.

Didn't Chicago once tear down an airport without going through the proper channels?

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Re: Cleveland Hopkins International Airport
« Reply #3422 on: October 10, 2017, 08:19:35 AM »
Quote from: plinth857
Didn't Chicago once tear down an airport without going through the proper channels?

Yes, the mayor did, illegally. But that's like comparing Akron-Canton to JFK. Meigs Field was a tiny airport that served turboprops. BKL is a far more capable airport that REGULARLY handles 757s. Meigs was too inadequate to be a reliever to ORD or MDW, like BKL is for CLE.
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Re: Cleveland Hopkins International Airport
« Reply #3423 on: October 10, 2017, 09:22:09 AM »
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Didn't Chicago once tear down an airport without going through the proper channels?

Yes, the mayor did, illegally. But that's like comparing Akron-Canton to JFK. Meigs Field was a tiny airport that served turboprops. BKL is a far more capable airport that REGULARLY handles 757s. Meigs was too inadequate to be a reliever to ORD or MDW, like BKL is for CLE.

So to further derail this thread with discussions as it pertains to Amazon, unless Mayor "Action" Jackson is willing to drop the dirt track and secretly mow down Burke in the middle of the night, this site for Amazon is a non-starter.   To legally close Burke via FAA channels would take DECADES, especially as a Class D airspace.   Amazon moves at the speed of light compared to the Feds.

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Re: Cleveland Hopkins International Airport
« Reply #3424 on: October 10, 2017, 09:24:36 AM »
If Burke is such an asset why have so many Fortune 500's left Downtown Cleveland and access to that "wonderful asset" to move out to Beachwood?  It's a perk, maybe.  But it clearly isn't attracting, or even retaining business.  Time to do what Chicago did.

I think we all know the answer is much more complex than can be detailed in this post.  You'd have to asses those companies' corporate culture, combined with years of racial politics, school segregation, white flight, etc etc.   Thankfully Amazon is a much more progressive culture and they WANT to be in the middle of the city with its transit and amenities, not on some new freeway exit clogged with traffic.

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« Reply #3425 on: October 29, 2017, 12:59:02 PM »
https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/aer-lingus-targets-up-to-10-more-us-destinations-from-dublin-36268794.html

Aer Lingus says they could begin new service to as many as 10 new US cities when their Airbus 321LR's are delivered in 2019.  Based on the range of the plane, these 10 would have to be in the eastern half of the country, something like a line drawn from Minneapolis to Mobile. They already fly to most of the usual suspects, so I'd guess CLE might have a shot at being one of the new 10, especially if one of the Icelanders drops out after 2018.  Any announcement is probably a year away.
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Re: Cleveland Hopkins International Airport
« Reply #3426 on: October 30, 2017, 09:37:55 AM »
Given the corporate and ancestral linkages between Cleveland and Ireland, I would think Cleveland is a natural for this expansion. I hope that Hopkins Airport officials are on the phone with Aer Lingus to press our case with them.
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Re: Cleveland Hopkins International Airport
« Reply #3427 on: October 31, 2017, 10:28:05 AM »
Southwest Airlines continues slow growth at Cleveland Hopkins, with Milwaukee flight and more to come

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Southwest Airlines launches its ninth year-round destination from Cleveland Hopkins next week, continuing a pattern of slow growth at the airport in the years following the shuttering of the United Airlines' hub.
Southwest, the second largest carrier at Hopkins after United, begins twice-a-day nonstop service to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, on Sunday. It's a route that is already served by United, and marks a continued press by Southwest to cut into United's market share in Cleveland.

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2017/10/whats_next_for_cleveland_hopki.html#incart_river_home

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Re: Cleveland Hopkins International Airport
« Reply #3428 on: October 31, 2017, 10:42:47 AM »
No wonder the nonstop round trip to Milwaukee that I purchased with United recently was so cheap.

Does the CLE-MKE route really have that strong of numbers?  I've taken this route multiple times on United and I don't think their ERJ-145 has ever been full.

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« Reply #3429 on: November 13, 2017, 03:57:33 PM »
CLE announced info briefings on the FAA's new draft plan for the CLE-DTW Metroplex Project.  It probably means rerouting landings and takeoffs to some extent to optimize traffic flow for both regions.

http://www.clevelandairport.com/comment-period-opens-november-10-cleveland-detroit-metroplex-project
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Re: Cleveland Hopkins International Airport
« Reply #3430 on: November 13, 2017, 04:53:11 PM »
CLE announced info briefings on the FAA's new draft plan for the CLE-DTW Metroplex Project.  It probably means rerouting landings and takeoffs to some extent to optimize traffic flow for both regions.

http://www.clevelandairport.com/comment-period-opens-november-10-cleveland-detroit-metroplex-project


Now if we could get a high-speed rail line between the two....

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Re: Cleveland Hopkins International Airport
« Reply #3431 on: November 14, 2017, 12:02:32 PM »
CLE announced info briefings on the FAA's new draft plan for the CLE-DTW Metroplex Project.  It probably means rerouting landings and takeoffs to some extent to optimize traffic flow for both regions.

http://www.clevelandairport.com/comment-period-opens-november-10-cleveland-detroit-metroplex-project


Now if we could get a high-speed rail line between the two....

Amtrak has proposed rerouting one of the Chicago trains to run via Detroit, but the suggested speed is an embarrassment.
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Re: Cleveland Hopkins International Airport
« Reply #3432 on: November 16, 2017, 08:43:46 AM »
Privatize Cleveland Hopkins airport?
Readers weigh in with ideas on air travel: Calling All Readers
Updated Oct 27; Posted Oct 27
By Susan Glaser, The Plain Dealer sglaser@plaind.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Cleveland Hopkins International Airport has been city owned and operated since its founding in 1925.   

It's been that way forever - but does that mean it has to be that way forever?

Ken Prendergast doesn't think so. The executive director of All Aboard Ohio, a Cleveland-based nonprofit that advocates for improved access to passenger rail  service, was one of dozens of area readers who responded to a recent request for suggestions and questions regarding air travel. 

Prendergast offered a concrete suggestion: Hire a private company to run the airport. He proposes using the money generated from a lease to invest in transportation infrastructure, bolstering the regional economy by linking employers in the outer ring suburbs with employees in the city.

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http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2017/10/privatize_cleveland_hopkins_ai.html
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Re: Cleveland Hopkins International Airport
« Reply #3433 on: November 16, 2017, 12:09:55 PM »
Hopkins is one the few assets that businesses have to use, that the suburbs can't [easily] steal. I say they should go ahead and shamelessly profit from it. Because the city owns the airport, I would think the county and/or suburbs would have zero say in what the funds are spent on.

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Re: Cleveland Hopkins International Airport
« Reply #3434 on: November 16, 2017, 12:41:50 PM »
LOVE the self-promotion @KJP!!! I dig it.

Also, you have an excellent idea.

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Re: Cleveland Hopkins International Airport
« Reply #3435 on: November 16, 2017, 03:57:22 PM »
November 16, 2017 12:59 pm      UPDATED 4 HOURS AGO
Travel through Cleveland Hopkins International Airport continues to accelerate
By JAY MILLER 

Passenger traffic at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport continues to outpace last year's results, with traffic through October up nearly 8%. Passenger flow through the airport is expected to top 2014, the year before United Airlines stopped using Hopkins as a connecting airport.

In October of this year, Hopkins saw 816,543 passengers coming and going, compared with 741,363 passengers in 2016, airport officials reported in a press release. That lifted the passenger count for the first 10 months of 2017 to 7,677,639, up from 7,120,243 in 2016.

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Re: Cleveland Hopkins International Airport
« Reply #3436 on: Today at 01:38:59 PM »
A reliable poster on another board has suggested that United might add back a few of the routes they discontinued. We'll see.
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