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« on: July 22, 2013, 11:45:32 AM »
I was reading about the Mitch Daniels scandal, and was directed to this article by James Loewen, who (and this was confirmed by a colleague) was disinvited from three speaking engagements organized by the Indiana Civil Rights Commission in 2007 for the article below. In it, he argues that the Honda selected Greensburg, Indiana for a large, publicly subsidized auto plant in part because of it's infinitesimal Black population, and then redlined its "hiring zone" to exclude 'urban' Indianapolis and Cincinnati. Honda paid a modest fine for doing the same in Ohio.

On Honda's "All American" Sundown Town: http://hnn.us/articles/27821.html

Two more of interest:
Loewen on Daniels in 2013: http://hnn.us/jim_loewen/articles/150218.html
Ohio's Possible Sundown Towns: http://sundown.afro.illinois.edu/sundowntownsshow.php?state=OH

Clarification on the Ohio list (and all other states, found here: http://sundown.afro.illinois.edu/content.php?file=sundowntowns-whitemap.html) not all towns listed are "sundown" towns, but were initially generated because of their very small Black populations, historical experiences, or information submitted by readers. It's not a complete or comprehensive list.

Since you are all frequent travelers in Ohio, I wondered:

Are there places you avoid because of your race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation?

Are there places you've been told to avoid?

I'm also curious about White folks - what messages do you get about where it's 'safe' for a White person to go, and who taught you this?

I do a similar exercise with my undergraduate classes each term, and the results are...predictable.
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2013, 11:54:38 AM »
My experiences with this have been, as you say, predictable.  Interesting issue though.  I wondered what this guy had said to get Daniels so pissed off.

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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2013, 12:08:55 PM »
I'm surprised how many towns/suburbs in Cuyahoga county I see on the sundown list (even a couple that would no doubt self-righteously call themselves "progressive" :roll:); none, however, in Lake county.
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2013, 12:11:17 PM »
^I don't know how he is coming up with that list.  Warrensville Hts and Euclid are on it.

There are quite a few neighborhoods in the Cleveland Metro I wouldn't want to walk down the street as a white guy...... come to think about it, I wouldn't want to walk around those neighborhoods as a black guy either.  Specifically, pretty much anything north of Euclid Ave in East Cleveland and the areas around any of the public housing projects in Cleveland proper.

Little Italy was essentially off-limits for blacks for quite some time.  That has changed, but I still have friends who refuse to go there.  Bratenahl used to be a place that blacks had concerns of being profiled by the police.
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2013, 12:18:11 PM »
I have to wonder about the veracity of some of his claims. I'm not saying sundown towns don't exist, but he's got to put some data behind his accusations. For instance, he lists Chagrin Falls as a 'probable' sundown town, but for all his criteria lists 'don't know'. I mean, there's not a lot of black folk living there, to be sure, but are they excluded? I have no idea. Apparently, neither does he.
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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2013, 12:20:25 PM »
Well, as a native of Appalachian Ohio, I can see how (at least back in the day) pretty much all of those towns would be places you wouldn't want to be as a minority.

Since moving to Cincy, the only town I really heard about was Norwood--again, back in the day. 

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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2013, 02:13:41 PM »
^I don't know how he is coming up with that list.  Warrensville Hts and Euclid are on it.

There are quite a few neighborhoods in the Cleveland Metro I wouldn't want to walk down the street as a white guy...... come to think about it, I wouldn't want to walk around those neighborhoods as a black guy either.  Specifically, pretty much anything north of Euclid Ave in East Cleveland and the areas around any of the public housing projects in Cleveland proper.

Little Italy was essentially off-limits for blacks for quite some time.  That has changed, but I still have friends who refuse to go there.  Bratenahl used to be a place that blacks had concerns of being profiled by the police.
As a man of color, I do not understand how a white man could ever make a statement like this?  The reason I say that you're not of color nor have you hade to live as a person of color in our world.   We as people of color live in a white world.  You probably don't understand that, just as I don't understand what you wrote.

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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2013, 02:26:34 PM »
I was reading about the Mitch Daniels scandal, and was directed to this article by James Loewen, who (and this was confirmed by a colleague) was disinvited from three speaking engagements organized by the Indiana Civil Rights Commission in 2007 for the article below. In it, he argues that the Honda selected Greensburg, Indiana for a large, publicly subsidized auto plant in part because of it's infinitesimal Black population, and then redlined its "hiring zone" to exclude 'urban' Indianapolis and Cincinnati. Honda paid a modest fine for doing the same in Ohio.

On Honda's "All American" Sundown Town: http://hnn.us/articles/27821.html

Two more of interest:
Loewen on Daniels in 2013: http://hnn.us/jim_loewen/articles/150218.html
Ohio's Possible Sundown Towns: http://sundown.afro.illinois.edu/sundowntownsshow.php?state=OH

Since you are all frequent travelers in Ohio, I wondered:

Are there places you avoid because of your race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation?

Are there places you've been told to avoid?

I'm also curious about White folks - what messages do you get about where it's 'safe' for a White person to go, and who taught you this?

I do a similar exercise with my undergraduate classes each term, and the results are...predictable.
As with the others mentioned, why are University Hts, and Lynhurst on the list?  :wtf:

There are plenty of places I wouldn't go.  Although I believe Cleveland's Little Italy has changed, I won't drive thru.  I have no desire to go to Westlake, Strongsville, N. Royalton or tract loving psuedo nouveau rich area.  At the same time, I wouldn't go to the (subjective) hood, Slavic Village, or the Lower Clark Fulton area and I speak Spanish.

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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2013, 02:31:03 PM »
So there is no data to back this up other than a racial makeup that, while probable that the data for that is accurate (from the 2010 census), is not a deciding factor on what determines a "sundown" town.

Excluding that, then it would be comments like this (under West Portsmouth):

"A 1993 graduate of nearby Wheelersburg, OH high school emailed us: "My wife tells me there are now a black student or two at West Portsmouth high school, which is HIGHLY unusual for this area! Yes racism is alive and well here in what we call the "Twilight zone" Portsmouth Ohio/Scioto county."

What data went into making this list? Who knows.

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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2013, 02:33:23 PM »
^I don't know how he is coming up with that list.  Warrensville Hts and Euclid are on it.

There are quite a few neighborhoods in the Cleveland Metro I wouldn't want to walk down the street as a white guy...... come to think about it, I wouldn't want to walk around those neighborhoods as a black guy either.  Specifically, pretty much anything north of Euclid Ave in East Cleveland and the areas around any of the public housing projects in Cleveland proper.

Little Italy was essentially off-limits for blacks for quite some time.  That has changed, but I still have friends who refuse to go there.  Bratenahl used to be a place that blacks had concerns of being profiled by the police.
As a man of color, I do not understand how a white man could ever make a statement like this?  The reason I say that you're not of color nor have you hade to live as a person of color in our world.   We as people of color live in a white world.  You probably don't understand that, just as I don't understand what you wrote.

You're taking that tone with the wrong "white man", cupcake.  I know more than a bit about living as a minority.  If you think Garden Valley is a fine place to take a walk, more power to you.  I was simply pointing out that my unwillingness to walk around those neighborhoods (in response to the OP's question) has less to do with my skin color and more to do with the fact that they just aren't safe..... for anyone, any race (especially non-residents).

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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2013, 02:41:22 PM »
^I don't know how he is coming up with that list.  Warrensville Hts and Euclid are on it.

There are quite a few neighborhoods in the Cleveland Metro I wouldn't want to walk down the street as a white guy...... come to think about it, I wouldn't want to walk around those neighborhoods as a black guy either.  Specifically, pretty much anything north of Euclid Ave in East Cleveland and the areas around any of the public housing projects in Cleveland proper.

Little Italy was essentially off-limits for blacks for quite some time.  That has changed, but I still have friends who refuse to go there.  Bratenahl used to be a place that blacks had concerns of being profiled by the police.
As a man of color, I do not understand how a white man could ever make a statement like this?  The reason I say that you're not of color nor have you hade to live as a person of color in our world.   We as people of color live in a white world.  You probably don't understand that, just as I don't understand what you wrote.

You're taking that tone with the wrong "white man", cupcake.  I know more than a bit about living as a minority.  If you think Garden Valley is a fine place to take a walk, more power to you.  I was simply pointing out that my unwillingness to walk around those neighborhoods (in response to the OP's question) has less to do with my skin color and more to do with the fact that they just aren't safe..... for anyone, any race (especially non-residents).

Pumpkin, I honestly do not understand. I dont think you're racist by any means.  I honestly do not understand the way you wrote it.

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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2013, 02:43:42 PM »
Rosy up those sweet cheeks, muffin top.
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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2013, 02:53:43 PM »
^I don't know how he is coming up with that list.  Warrensville Hts and Euclid are on it.

There are quite a few neighborhoods in the Cleveland Metro I wouldn't want to walk down the street as a white guy...... come to think about it, I wouldn't want to walk around those neighborhoods as a black guy either.  Specifically, pretty much anything north of Euclid Ave in East Cleveland and the areas around any of the public housing projects in Cleveland proper.

Little Italy was essentially off-limits for blacks for quite some time.  That has changed, but I still have friends who refuse to go there.  Bratenahl used to be a place that blacks had concerns of being profiled by the police.
As a man of color, I do not understand how a white man could ever make a statement like this?  The reason I say that you're not of color nor have you hade to live as a person of color in our world.   We as people of color live in a white world.  You probably don't understand that, just as I don't understand what you wrote.

You're taking that tone with the wrong "white man", cupcake.  I know more than a bit about living as a minority.  If you think Garden Valley is a fine place to take a walk, more power to you.  I was simply pointing out that my unwillingness to walk around those neighborhoods (in response to the OP's question) has less to do with my skin color and more to do with the fact that they just aren't safe..... for anyone, any race (especially non-residents).

Pumpkin, I honestly do not understand. I dont think you're racist by any means.  I honestly do not understand the way you wrote it.

The OP asked if there was "places you avoid because of your race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation."  I listed a few neighborhoods and then.... after thinking about it..... realized I probably wouldn't want to go in those neighborhoods regardless of what race I was.  So, I suppose, my answer SHOULD have been that I can't think of any neighborhoods I wouldn't want to go in simply due to my race because I would avoid those areas regardless of my race

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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2013, 01:10:49 PM »
http://stateofthereunion.com/pike-county-ohio This radio documentary talks a bit about sundown towns in the Waverly area as I recall.

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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2013, 04:02:52 AM »
Perhaps, at one time, South Lebanon? 


Are there places you avoid because of your race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation?

I was tuning in that signal when I first moved here.   For me, as a place to live, East Dayton and parts of Springfield.   Passing through?, ok. To live there, out-of-the-closet?, No way. I'd feel safer as a gay person in certain black parts of Dayton than i would in East Dayton.







 

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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2013, 05:34:20 AM »
During the late 90s, our VP of manufacturing got a ticket (later dismissed) for driving two blocks with a flat tire to change it at a well lighted gas station near CCC Metro.   He's a couple shades darker than Obama.

Much depends on demeanor for pretty much everyone.  Little Italy is safe if you're black and look/act professional or even average.   Look and act "ghetto-stereotypical" (and never mind the Italian kids doing so), and it is not.

Ironically, as a white person in the deeper parts of the ghetto, you are safer if they think you are there to buy drugs.  A lot of the black on black killings associated with the drug trade have been because someone preyed on the wrong guy's customers.  It's still not safe....for anyone.

There's certainly areas where minorities will be looked at suspiciously, but they are safe.

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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2013, 08:00:21 AM »
Areas where racial profiling and de facto segregation is in full force in the Cincinnati area: Lebanon, Trenton, Green Township, Glendale

Around Columbus: Pickerington, Canal Winchester, Worthington

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« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2013, 08:57:34 AM »
Maybe I take more risks with my personal safety due to general obliviousness to danger than I should, or maybe Akron simply doesn't have neighborhoods that compare with the scarier parts of Cleveland, but I have never really felt at risk walking, biking, or driving anywhere in Akron that I've actually been (including the areas south of Delia both north of VOB and further southwest along East Ave. and Manchester, as well as south of the freeway between Brown and Main.

I fear for unattended property in these neighborhoods, which would cause me to want to live elsewhere.  And I think the crime statistics do back that up ... thefts from empty homes and vehicles are considerably more common in those areas than any direct violent crimes against people.  And it's true I've never been walking or biking in those neighborhoods after sundown, but that's largely because my bike is missing its front reflector and I don't live anywhere near walking distance to there.  I've driven through them on my way home from late-night board gaming sessions and haven't felt particularly threatened, though I understand that the feel of a neighborhood can be very different walking through it than driving through it.

P.S. Pickerington?  Seriously?  Pickerington Central High School (the original HS) is 23% black, above the state average of 16%.  Even the newer, farther-out Pickerington North HS is 15% black, right about at the state average (which is rare, because most schools are either well above or well below).  That doesn't scream "de facto segregation."

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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2013, 09:08:43 AM »
Growing up in Columbus and my father and his side of the family from Cincy, we traveled up and down 71 a lot. And I can remember my dad and my grandparents always telling me to stay away from Lebanon. I really don't know the whole story but my grandparents were harrassed by some locals a long time ago and it happened again when my father was in his 30s. So whenever I go down to Cincy, I would always never get off on those exits out of fear.
Then one of my clients from Grove City passed away and guess where the funeral was.......South Lebanon. I was so nervous and I almost didn't attend the funeral because of that 'fear'. But another (black) co worker and I went down and I was pretty surprised, everybody was super friendly (we got a lot of stares) but almost everybody greeted us with real smiles and we didn't have any issues. Although there still may be racists people in Lebanon, there are racists people everywhere and the situations that happened in the past need not dictate how I approach situations today. Sorry for writing a book lol

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« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2013, 09:29:45 AM »
Thanks everyone for your comments so far. The little I know about the site:

1. Not all towns listed are sundown towns, and not all sundown towns are on the list. I think an original list was generated based on black populations - those towns with few or no black residents were considered to be "probable" sundown towns, and then users sent in comments or other suggestions.

2. There are other towns on the list that are specifically NOT sundown towns, some of them with asterisks.

3. Read about Reynoldsburg if you haven't already. Jesus.

4. As for the original comment about Mitch Daniels, Loewen wrote an article in 2006 claiming that a sundown town in Indiana, Greensburg, was essentially being rewarded with a huge new Honda plant because it had no black residents, which apparently is something that Honda looks for. THis is the article Loewen claims got him disinvited by The Indiana Civil Rights Commission. I have newfound intensive dislike of that company now. Was/is Marysville an unfriendly place for Blacks?

I really appreciate the stories, especially those like yubh8tin's about what his parents told him about where not to go.

When I ask this question in my undergraduate classes, the white men usually don't have as clear answers as the White women, whose parents apparently tell them to stay away from any city over 200,000 people, but specifically: All of downtown Toledo, East Cleveland, Dayton, Over the Rhine. You know, the chocolate cities. For the few Black students, the responses range from "south of Wal-Mart" (any rural area) to "the West side of this town" (away from campus). I have almost no Latino/Hispanic/Mexican students, so that's a whole 'nuther problem.

That's always an eye-opening conversation for most of my rural White students.

As for sexual orientation, I've found that as long as I'm 'covering' that I feel OK just about anywhere. But there's almost no place in Ohio where I would hold my partner's hand in public (maybe the Short North, or during a pride event).

In our purple college town, we get yelled at from big, micro-penis masking TRUCKS (usually, "Fag" but also "Chink") about once a month when we are walking together, so, that makes us hate living here sometimes.

However, I have not (yet) been physically assaulted in Ohio, and ironically, the place where I was subject to the worst gay-bashing I've yet experinced was on the streetcar up Market in San Francisco heading toward the Castro. So, nowhere is really immune.
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« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2013, 09:36:52 AM »

big, micro-penis masking TRUCKS

As the resident right winger, I should probably point out that saying this about pickup trucks or sports cars is pretty much the flip side of the intentionally offensive stereotypes heading in the opposite direction....

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« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2013, 09:44:02 AM »

big, micro-penis masking TRUCKS

As the resident right winger, I should probably point out that saying this about pickup trucks or sports cars is pretty much the flip side of the intentionally offensive stereotypes heading in the opposite direction....

I meant specifically those boosted-up trucks with the sound-amplifying non-muffler that I perceive as nothing more than attention-seeking, to which I attribute a need to compensate for something. Perhaps it's small-mindedness. There was nothing political implied or stated, so I don't really understand your complaint.

When those are the modes of transport from which those epithets and threats to my family's safety almost always come, I will stand by my 'offensive stereotypes', thank you very much. It's how I compensate for feeling endangered, ridiculed, and frightened in my own town.

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« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2013, 09:44:50 AM »
Growing up in Columbus and my father and his side of the family from Cincy, we traveled up and down 71 a lot. And I can remember my dad and my grandparents always telling me to stay away from Lebanon. I really don't know the whole story but my grandparents were harrassed by some locals a long time ago and it happened again when my father was in his 30s. So whenever I go down to Cincy, I would always never get off on those exits out of fear.
Then one of my clients from Grove City passed away and guess where the funeral was.......South Lebanon. I was so nervous and I almost didn't attend the funeral because of that 'fear'. But another (black) co worker and I went down and I was pretty surprised, everybody was super friendly (we got a lot of stares) but almost everybody greeted us with real smiles and we didn't have any issues. Although there still may be racists people in Lebanon, there are racists people everywhere and the situations that happened in the past need not dictate how I approach situations today. Sorry for writing a book lol

Not at all - I'm glad to know this. Thank you!

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« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2013, 09:50:59 AM »
^^^Why did you take it as a stereotype of right-wingers? 
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« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2013, 09:54:44 AM »
Perhaps, at one time, South Lebanon? 


Are there places you avoid because of your race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation?

I was tuning in that signal when I first moved here.   For me, as a place to live, East Dayton and parts of Springfield.   Passing through?, ok. To live there, out-of-the-closet?, No way. I'd feel safer as a gay person in certain black parts of Dayton than i would in East Dayton.

The couple of times when I was job hunting that I expressed interest in a neighborhood that looked to me to be majority black, I was steered away by real estate agents. "Well, that's not a great neighborhood" or "You probably wouldn't feel safe there." Hah. It's not that I don't like White middle-class neighborhoods (I live in one now), I just find them incredibly boring. No one's outside unless they're mowing the grass.
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« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2013, 10:30:12 AM »
Maybe I take more risks with my personal safety due to general obliviousness to danger than I should, or maybe Akron simply doesn't have neighborhoods that compare with the scarier parts of Cleveland, but I have never really felt at risk walking, biking, or driving anywhere in Akron that I've actually been (including the areas south of Delia both north of VOB and further southwest along East Ave. and Manchester, as well as south of the freeway between Brown and Main.


P.S. Pickerington?  Seriously?  Pickerington Central High School (the original HS) is 23% black, above the state average of 16%.  Even the newer, farther-out Pickerington North HS is 15% black, right about at the state average (which is rare, because most schools are either well above or well below).  That doesn't scream "de facto segregation."

23% black at a high school doesn't suggest that black people in Pickerington have very much power in Pickerington, Ohio.  That is not an impressive statistic.  The police are known to target black drivers and the city of Pickerington does not have a good reputation within the black community of Columbus because according to many of them, they don't feel wanted in that community.

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« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2013, 10:53:48 AM »
Areas where racial profiling and de facto segregation is in full force in the Cincinnati area: Lebanon, Trenton, Green Township, Glendale


I understand the first 3, but I'm not sure I agree with you about Glendale.  I've never heard of any sort of racial trouble in Glendale, and it's in the very diverse Princeton school district.  It's also surrounded by communities that have substantial black populations (Forest Park, Springdale, Woodlawn, Lincoln Hts).  It's old money, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was a bit stuffy and conservative, but I would think it would be better than say, Indian Hill.  I also get the impression that much of Northern Kentucky is seen as a no-go for black people, outside of a few urban areas in Covington and Newport.

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« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2013, 11:56:21 AM »
23% black at a high school doesn't suggest that black people in Pickerington have very much power in Pickerington, Ohio.  That is not an impressive statistic.  The police are known to target black drivers and the city of Pickerington does not have a good reputation within the black community of Columbus because according to many of them, they don't feel wanted in that community.

What you originally said was:

Areas where racial profiling and de facto segregation is in full force in the Cincinnati area: Lebanon, Trenton, Green Township, Glendale

Around Columbus: Pickerington, Canal Winchester, Worthington

A city with that large a black population calls into serious question your definition of "de facto segregation in full force."  At the very least, this is a long way from the Greensburg, Indiana situation (whether you see any kind of dark motive in Honda's decision or not).

Shifting to talking about black people "not having very much power in Pickerington" is moving the goalposts, and also moving them into a muddier arena, at that.  What "power" do they lack in Pickerington that their non-black counterparts possess?  Heck, in Pickerington, you'll find a decent number of Greater Columbus' black professional class.  Only 14% of the HS students at Pickerington Central and 9% at Pickerington North are economically disadvantaged, so even if every single one of those was a black student (unlikely), there would still be a solid corps of economically mainstream black students there.  The only Pickerington grad that I knew in my honors dorm at OSU was a black girl, and her parents' house was a definite step above my parents'.

Granted, you didn't define "power," so maybe I'm talking past you.  It's true that there are no African-Americans on Pickerington City Council.  But they have a presence in Pickerington that is numerically significant (a bloc of ~20% is nothing to sneeze at) and more economically powerful than the black population in many communities.  I'm pretty sure that calling them a sundown city or a place where "de facto segregation is in full force" is diluting those terms to the point of meaninglessness.

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But there's almost no place in Ohio where I would hold my partner's hand in public (maybe the Short North, or during a pride event).

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Offline A-Rhyme

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Re: Ohio Sundown Towns
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2013, 01:48:45 PM »
Areas where racial profiling and de facto segregation is in full force in the Cincinnati area: Lebanon, Trenton, Green Township, Glendale

Around Columbus: Pickerington, Canal Winchester, Worthington

Madness. As an African American who grew up in Glendale my whole life, I have to disagree. Glendale has been around 10-15% black since the late 1800s and I have never encountered any remote sense of racial profiling by either police or other residents. Now Sharonville on the other hand...