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Offline GCrites80s

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Re: Gun Rights
« Reply #1860 on: December 07, 2017, 12:10:26 PM »
he likes to analyze it rather than treat it as the "America Bible" as Trumpies do

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Re: Gun Rights
« Reply #1861 on: December 07, 2017, 12:12:09 PM »
The founders wanted us to talk it out.  So here we are.

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Re: Gun Rights
« Reply #1862 on: December 07, 2017, 12:33:06 PM »
Well maybe, if Net Neutrality goes away we might have to make a secret forum within the Home Shopping Network site.

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Re: Gun Rights
« Reply #1863 on: December 07, 2017, 01:11:31 PM »
^ So it seems that you agree with liberals that the constitution is an imperfect document.  Now that we've gotten that squared away...

No document will ever be perfect. But it is what we have until it is changed. If libs want to change it go ahead, but do it the right way, don't cry when the task proves difficult and want to find shortcuts around it.

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Re: Gun Rights
« Reply #1864 on: December 07, 2017, 01:15:18 PM »
^ only libs try to change the interpretation of the constitution through the courts.  Hasn't that trope grown old for you yet?

I was not making an argument to change the document btw.  I was just pointing out the absurdity of an argument.
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Offline surfohio

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Re: Gun Rights
« Reply #1865 on: December 07, 2017, 01:21:51 PM »
^ So it seems that you agree with liberals that the constitution is an imperfect document.  Now that we've gotten that squared away...

No document will ever be perfect. But it is what we have until it is changed. If libs want to change it go ahead, but do it the right way, don't cry when the task proves difficult and want to find shortcuts around it.

When it's so difficult to change the Constitution it's understandable why someone would favor an activist Supreme Court judge. For conservatives there's absolutely some cognitive dissonance in favoring a justice who makes the "right" decision vs. the decision you personally desire.

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Re: Gun Rights
« Reply #1866 on: December 07, 2017, 02:56:19 PM »
I have a number of right wing zealots in my office and argue with them all day because they have a lot of hypocrisy in their arguments. Personally, I have nothing against liberal or conservative positions as long as people come to them rationally and have a basis for them but what irritates me about things like the gun debate is that the answer is to ban all guns or we need more guns and there is very little reasoning behind many of those arguments and they are often based solely on feeling.


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Re: Gun Rights
« Reply #1867 on: December 12, 2017, 02:30:53 PM »
but what irritates me about things like the gun debate is that the answer is to ban all guns or we need more guns and there is very little reasoning behind many of those arguments and they are often based solely on feeling.

Almost no one is calling for a ban on all guns.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/politics/bipartisan-gun-control-policies-majorities/index.html

Policy ideas with 75+% support of both parties:
-Preventing the mentally ill from purchasing guns
-Barring gun purchases to people on no-fly or watch lists
-Background checks for private sales and at gun shows

Policy ideas with 50+% support of both parties:
-Banning assault-style weapons
-Creating a federal database to track gun sales

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Re: Gun Rights
« Reply #1868 on: December 14, 2017, 10:13:29 AM »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/school-shooting-survivors-united-chain-grief-hard-lessons-passed-100005444.html

A look at 4 school shootings that defined America, on the 5th anniversary of Newtown.