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Re: Cincinnati: Metropolitan Sewer District: Lick Run Project
« Reply #60 on: January 04, 2018, 09:21:32 AM »

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Re: Cincinnati: Metropolitan Sewer District: Lick Run Project
« Reply #61 on: January 04, 2018, 09:53:56 AM »
They really should be pairing this with the creation of a 3CDC type developer to actually build along it and create a functional neighborhood.

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Re: Cincinnati: Metropolitan Sewer District: Lick Run Project
« Reply #62 on: January 04, 2018, 10:22:31 AM »
Yeah that is a LOT of land to just have as vast amounts of green space in a neighborhood that has seen lots of neglect. If they could at least develop some of the corner lots that would go a long way.

Also - i wish this was turning each of the streets that run along it to two-ways as opposed to what are treated as mini-highways.

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Re: Cincinnati: Metropolitan Sewer District: Lick Run Project
« Reply #63 on: January 04, 2018, 10:44:20 AM »
They really should be pairing this with the creation of a 3CDC type developer to actually build along it and create a functional neighborhood.

Ha, now that's funny.

This neighborhood is on the Westside, it never had a chance of being seriously respected at City Hall.

It's a shame that the best buildings that were torn down in the middle trench, weren't relocated across the street along Westwood and Queen City. It would have gone a long way towards helping the area maintain some context and character. Right now, it's a damn mess. 

This is a perfect example of a once functional urban neighborhood literally giving its life so that sprawl beyond it could exist. The first blow came when Westwood and Queen City became one-way streets that that turned them into a freeway system to shuttle cars to the viaduct and I-75.  This latest sewer project is only needed in order to handle the runoff created by all the development up on the hill and beyond.


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Re: Cincinnati: Metropolitan Sewer District: Lick Run Project
« Reply #64 on: January 04, 2018, 11:01:44 AM »
It's a shame. Because if you took the one-ways, made them two-way with street parking, created this park, had relocated the existing buildings (preferably all to one area to create a continuous block(s)), and then developed infill there's no reason it couldn't be a great neighborhood. It's close to a lot of things, including Downtown, has some nice natural elements, and could be really unique. But instead it's now going to be a pretty nice park with highways strangling it and then...nothing.

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Re: Cincinnati: Metropolitan Sewer District: Lick Run Project
« Reply #65 on: January 04, 2018, 01:04:18 PM »
It's a shame. Because if you took the one-ways, made them two-way with street parking, created this park, had relocated the existing buildings (preferably all to one area to create a continuous block(s)), and then developed infill there's no reason it couldn't be a great neighborhood. It's close to a lot of things, including Downtown, has some nice natural elements, and could be really unique. But instead it's now going to be a pretty nice park with highways strangling it and then...nothing.

The original plan proposed under the Mallory administration was to make both Queen City Avenue and Westwood Avenue two-way. This changed some time after Cranley got into office.

This neighborhood is on the Westside, it never had a chance of being seriously respected at City Hall.

Funny that Cranley is supposed to have West Side Cred and yet he has no ability to see the potential in a project like this.

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Re: Cincinnati: Metropolitan Sewer District: Lick Run Project
« Reply #66 on: January 04, 2018, 01:13:34 PM »
This project is doomed for failure with this road configuration. No one is going to want to cross 3 lanes of freeway-speed traffic to go to this park let alone 3 more to get to the other side of the neighborhood. This creek will collect litter thrown out the windows of all the speeding cars.

They should take the risk of slowing down the traffic and making the streets two way. The Western Hills Viaduct isn’t the only or even the most direct connector from the West Side to the city anyway. The Hopple Street viaduct is more direct to Uptown and the 8th Street viaduct or US50 is more direct to downtown.

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Re: Cincinnati: Metropolitan Sewer District: Lick Run Project
« Reply #67 on: January 04, 2018, 02:15:46 PM »
Funny that Cranley is supposed to have West Side Cred and yet he has no ability to see the potential in a project like this.

When your crowning achievement as a developer is "saving Price Hill" via the Incline District's Vinyl Palace, you're sure as heck not going to have enough vision to imagine anything good ever coming out of South Fairmont.
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Re: Cincinnati: Metropolitan Sewer District: Lick Run Project
« Reply #68 on: January 04, 2018, 02:34:48 PM »
Funny that Cranley is supposed to have West Side Cred and yet he has no ability to see the potential in a project like this.


During the campaign I saw rich east side donors extolling Cranley's west side roots, insinuating that he was tough and scrappy because of his "working class" origins.  Yet nobody can identify a single manual labor job John Cranley ever endured (caddy?  cut grass?) as a teenager.  Tough to have a "working class" summer job when your parents are paying for you to travel to poor countries on mission trips that give you essay material for your college applications. 

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Re: Cincinnati: Metropolitan Sewer District: Lick Run Project
« Reply #69 on: January 10, 2018, 03:47:18 PM »
South Fairmount has SO MUCH potential. This project could've been transformative, but Cranley's meddling into the plan really botched things. I'm sure the final product will be a lovely park, but it won't be nearly as accessible to the surrounding neighborhood for the aforementioned reasons.

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Re: Cincinnati: Metropolitan Sewer District: Lick Run Project
« Reply #70 on: January 11, 2018, 01:17:04 AM »
South Fairmount has SO MUCH potential. This project could've been transformative, but Cranley's meddling into the plan really botched things. I'm sure the final product will be a lovely park, but it won't be nearly as accessible to the surrounding neighborhood for the aforementioned reasons.

The catalyst could be renovating the Powell Valve building into housing.

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Re: Cincinnati: Metropolitan Sewer District: Lick Run Project
« Reply #71 on: January 11, 2018, 07:27:45 AM »
^Powell Valve?  Is that the old Lunkenheimer Co building?
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Re: Cincinnati: Metropolitan Sewer District: Lick Run Project
« Reply #72 on: January 12, 2018, 12:41:45 PM »
Powell is in Camp Wash. That's Lunkenheimer. Also that should happen to the Midwest Textiles building as well. Very cool views of downtown from there.

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Re: Cincinnati: Metropolitan Sewer District: Lick Run Project
« Reply #73 on: January 14, 2018, 09:51:59 PM »
This is a perfect example of a once functional urban neighborhood literally giving its life so that sprawl beyond it could exist.

It's interesting how our topography has worsened this.  These narrow cross valleys had the easier grades up to the hilltops, making them natural transportation corridors, but there's not a lot of room to build in the valley bottoms themselves.  The steeper hills on the west side and the funneling of traffic across the Mill Creek Valley's rail yards concentrates traffic into fewer corridors than you see on the east side.  Still, it might be worth comparing some other neighborhoods in a similar predicament. 

Sedamsville is probably the most directly comparable, though at a much smaller scale.  Northside is big enough and has enough flat land to not be totally decimated by I-74, Colerain, or Hamilton Avenues.  Columbia-Tusculum is in a similar predicament, though the major transportation corridor is running parallel to the river via Columbia Parkway and Eastern/Riverside/Kellogg Avenues, while Delta Avenue is a relatively constrained surface street by comparison.  West Pike Street, Montague, and Amsterdam in Covington are similar on the west side of Covington, spared somewhat by I-75 providing an alternative route to Dixie Highway. 

I would say that the most Fairmount-like neighborhood that was completely obliterated was the Deer Creek Valley between Eden Park and Mt. Auburn.  A rough and tumble industrial neighborhood for most of its life, it was cleared out between Reading Road and Glibert Avenue in the 1920s or so in a manner similar to what they're doing to South Fairmount today.  The old factories and railroad trestles and steeply cut hillsides were smoothed out for ballfields and parkland.  That and the relatively easy grade up the hills made it a prime target for I-71 to come later, so now it's nothing but roads and highways. 

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Re: Cincinnati: Metropolitan Sewer District: Lick Run Project
« Reply #74 on: March 05, 2018, 12:41:18 PM »
Biked around the area this past weekend.  It's an incredible swarm of activity.  A channel for the creek appears to have been dug for most of the length.  Also, a bridge for Harrison Ave. is under construction and nearing completion. 

A small strip mall and 1-2 small buildings remain standing and open for business in the center on the western end...not sure what the plan is for them. 

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Re: Cincinnati: Metropolitan Sewer District: Lick Run Project
« Reply #75 on: March 05, 2018, 02:18:33 PM »
That top image makes me think of what parts of Queens looked like when subways were initially constructed out into literal fields in the 1920s. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Queens_Boulevard,_New_York_City_(1920).jpg