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Offline Map Boy

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Re: Cleveland State University-related developments
« Reply #120 on: March 13, 2006, 10:06:01 AM »
Wow, thanks for the pics Musky!  That's certainly not your average college dorm! 

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« Reply #121 on: March 13, 2006, 10:20:00 AM »
Hold on there Cowboy.
Don't get too excited.
I just added more pictures showing a mock-up of one of the rooms.
This mock-up is currently available to view on the eight floor.
It does not look anything like what the rest f the "pre" pictures show.
When I was in there, the beams that were up for drywall looked to me as if they would be covering up much of the detail.
I do think they will restore the common areas though.
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« Reply #122 on: March 13, 2006, 10:34:44 AM »
OK, that's like 10 times nicer than my freshman year dorm, but your right, no architectural details.  We could've seen that coming, though.  I think it's important that they preserve them in the common areas, but it may be a bit much to worry about them in these new rooms.

They're supposed to have retail and classroom space in the building as well, correct?

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« Reply #123 on: March 13, 2006, 11:23:40 AM »
That is correct.
There is going to be come sort of non-Aramark Deli on the ground floor with access to an outside eating area and classrooms for the College of Education.

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« Reply #124 on: March 14, 2006, 07:49:39 AM »
someone earlier remarked about the proposed design of the new student center in regards to the potential of a "signature" architect designing this key cornerstone of the campus.
i can only tell you that csu is looking into it, but is a bit worried about the risk associated with it - especially in regards to maintenance issues.  i.e. the gehry building at case which has police tape around it all winter....

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« Reply #125 on: March 14, 2006, 07:57:53 AM »
I think that Rhodes tower is enough of a "signature" building. ;)

I wouldn't mind a signature building, but I would be happy enough with a strong urban design that foments street life.   

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« Reply #126 on: March 15, 2006, 10:35:52 AM »
I was killing time downtown yesterday, and swung by CSU to view some of the progress. A few projects appear to be moving along quite well, and when all phases are completed I'm sure it will be a huge improvement. I am most puzzled and concerned about the commercial buildings along Euclid Avenue. They are absolutely horrible, and I don't understand why it would be so difficult for the city and university to tackle this strip immediately. This space could very well be redeveloped to complement Playhouse Square which is right next door and to serve the campus better. To me it seems like a developer would want to jump on the opportunity to draw on a university market, because the market NEVER leaves. Students come and go, and the customers are revolving, and I see this as a benefit, because the market never really gets tired of the tenents. I witness this first hand at my university in a college town. I don't understand why it is so difficult for urban school's like CSU or CWRU to have their own "college town" districts.

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« Reply #127 on: March 15, 2006, 10:40:06 AM »
Absolutely, "good" architecture and urban design are by far more important to me than "signature" buildings.  I'd rather not see another Gehry in Cleveland anytime soon.  What I'd love to see is an expression of good Cleveland-based architecture on Euclid that could represent the current wave of new construction on campus for years to come.  Something from Westlake, Reed, Leskosky, for example, that will last for generations and embody Cleveland...not something from an international "starchitect" that will be an island unto itself and have nothing to do with its context.

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« Reply #128 on: March 15, 2006, 10:43:25 AM »
In other news, from the link that the Guv posted on the Euclid Corridor thread: http://euclidtransit.org/timelines/images/PublicArtMasterPlan.pdf

Pages 11-13 talk about opportunities along the CSU stretch of the EC.  In particular, I was drawn to the mention of a Levin College plaza with a water feature, wi-fi, movable chairs, kiosks, etc.  Pretty much what I'd love to see there!  Maybe I haven't given the powers-that-be at CSU and RTA enough credit in planning for the future...they could just be holding out to see what they can do in conjunction with the EC.

That said, isn't it about time to get on that?  I know the EC will be cutting out a bit of the sidwalk (and the trees) in front of the Levin College, so how about coming up with that plan for a plaza and building it so that it's ready in time for the opening in 2008?

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« Reply #129 on: March 15, 2006, 10:51:58 AM »
The little retail does serve the students somewhat, I agree I don't quite understand why there isn't more there however. Few places to eat, art gallery (featuring stuff made by students?), art supplies store, printing shop (they take up alot of space, but do they belong?), book resale store. I cant think what is needed, but my gut feeling something is missing like a drug store/convenience store.

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« Reply #130 on: March 15, 2006, 11:04:36 AM »
Yeah definitely bookstores and a few 24-hour sit-down restaurant (other than Mc Donald's). Maybe some sort of discount store to cater to the broke College student. Not sure if there is a 24 hour coffee shop down there. As mentioned above a 24-hour drugstore. Really just stores that are practical and opened extended hours if not 24 hours a day.

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« Reply #131 on: March 15, 2006, 11:06:57 AM »
Vulpster03:
and I don't understand why it would be so difficult for the city and university to tackle this strip immediately.
To me it seems like a developer would want to jump on the opportunity to draw on a university market,

Developers are ready and waiting. Trust me.
They are waiting for two things: First and foremost, they are waiting for the EC to be finished. Nothing brings business down like construction (perception wise, that is). Especially for a new business. Second, many developers are concerned about the innerbelt project and the impact it will have on the immediate area.

Mister Good Day:
Absolutely, "good" architecture and urban design are by far more important to me than "signature" buildings.  I'd rather not see another Gehry in Cleveland anytime soon.  What I'd love to see is an expression of good Cleveland-based architecture on Euclid that could represent the current wave of new construction on campus for years to come.  Something from Westlake, Reed, Leskosky, for example, that will last for generations and embody Cleveland...not something from an international "starchitect" that will be an island unto itself and have nothing to do with its context.

I agree with you on the most part. We need to remember one thing though, CSU is not Case (public vs. private) The state rarely, if ever, will pay for a signature piece of architecture. Westlake, Reed, Leskosky is doable for me as are most things from City Architecture.



Pages 11-13 talk about opportunities along the CSU stretch of the EC.  In particular, I was drawn to the mention of a Levin College plaza with a water feature, wi-fi, movable chairs, kiosks, etc.  Pretty much what I'd love to see there!  Maybe I haven't given the powers-that-be at CSU and RTA enough credit in planning for the future...they could just be holding out to see what they can do in conjunction with the EC.

That said, isn't it about time to get on that?  I know the EC will be cutting out a bit of the sidwalk (and the trees) in front of the Levin College, so how about coming up with that plan for a plaza and building it so that it's ready in time for the opening in 2008?


Good suggestion. I'll ask.
The Art Plan is from 2003. It would be nice to see an update or project status. I know there were calls for proposals last year, but I have not heard anything about it since then.
I thought the whole EC was going to be a WiFi Hot Zone. Anybody?
(off topic comment - I wonder how feasible it would be to "plug-in" all of the lightpoles on the interstates with WiFi. Someting I wondered about for a couple of years.)

Meanwhile, I found a Marshall Law Building conceptual that shows how they want to open up the Euclid Avenue side of the building.


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« Reply #132 on: March 15, 2006, 11:14:33 AM »
^If that's the same awful reflective glass that's used on the Levin building, they shouldn't even bother. However, if they're using something more transparent, I'm all for it.

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« Reply #133 on: March 15, 2006, 11:15:49 AM »
great!  I'm not thrilled about more reflective glass, but I do like the idea of bringing the entrance to Euclid.

Also, about the signature architects...how does Cincinnati pay for its projects?  Probably the same way as CSU does.  What do they have on campus?  Henry Cobb, Peter Eisenman, Michael Graves, Frank Gehry, and on and on.  Again, I don't want these predominantly stand-alone structures to be the norm for CSU, but I'm just pointing out that they were able to leverage the funding for these buildings which cost much more than they needed to.  I know it would take a Peter Lewis (who is CSU's most wealthy/philanthropic grad anyway?) to finance one of these on most campuses, but that's not what I'm asking for.  I just want good architecture that fits its context and serves its function well. 

I think we're on the right track, but we need to ensure that we do our best for current and future generations of Clevelanders and CSU students.

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« Reply #134 on: March 15, 2006, 11:31:35 AM »
Mayday:
That picture was the next step from a drawing. It is only a concept.
The only reason the law building is on tract to be redone is because of Lerner's (?) donation

MGD:
Good points. I do believe Cinci and OSU's significant buildings were funded with a hefty private donation. You should see the architecture school in OSU. The outside of it is covered in marble shingles. I don't know who did it.

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« Reply #135 on: March 15, 2006, 11:35:27 AM »
^I think Iris Wolstein was the one who made the donation to the law school for the lobby and facade renovation.

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« Reply #136 on: March 15, 2006, 11:37:40 AM »
You are correct. Thanks.

here is a picture of the OSU Knowlton School of Architecture

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« Reply #137 on: March 15, 2006, 12:25:10 PM »

That said, isn't it about time to get on that?  I know the EC will be cutting out a bit of the sidwalk (and the trees) in front of the Levin College, so how about coming up with that plan for a plaza and building it so that it's ready in time for the opening in 2008?

I agree.  The potential is too critical to pass up.  Perhaps the CSU students on this thread could discuss that project at virtual levin?
It would be a good discussion to have there as it would demonstrate the potential of VL to professors and eventually other students.  I realize it is more difficult to conduct there, mainly because of habits, but I think in the end (if the discussion ever ends), we would be be very glad we did.  Any takers?  Pretty Please....  http://virtual-levin.urban.csuohio.edu/
Sorry, CSU urban students only at this time.

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« Reply #138 on: March 15, 2006, 12:47:44 PM »
Thanks Guv.

Also, if you have a CSU ID, spend about 15 minutes filling out theStrategic Plan Survey that can be accessed through CampusNet. They are giving away a bunch of prizes. Much of what is being discussed in this thread, as well as a few others, should be considered in the planning process.

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« Reply #139 on: March 15, 2006, 12:49:37 PM »
Big news on CSU and EC. There will be a meeting on it next Thursday.
However, I will only post about it in Virtual Levin.

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« Reply #140 on: March 15, 2006, 12:58:18 PM »
^No fair!

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« Reply #141 on: March 15, 2006, 01:05:03 PM »
Out of curiosity, is one required to have a CSU ID to go to the upper floors of Rhodes Tower? Say for... taking some photos?

Or even better... if any CSU employee here on the forum can get me access to an upper floor (with views to the west, preferably in the morning) of Fenn Tower, I'll buy you a six-pack of your drink of choice  :-D

Anyone who can help, please PM me. Thanks!

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« Reply #142 on: March 15, 2006, 01:22:31 PM »
I've taken pics from up their before.  The concrete "vanes" on either side of the windows, coupled with the thick, dirty and distorted glass makes it not so great for that purpose.
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« Reply #143 on: March 15, 2006, 01:28:23 PM »
One of the floors has a computer lab for math in rhodes tower,15th floor. I dont know if it has windows, or you could get in without ID or some type of passcode. A friend of mine said he got on the roof once, but I think he just happend to get lucky. That all being said, most of Rhodes is teacher offices and grad student offices, if you get ahold of someone, maybe they can get you in one of them. Say its for photography class or something :)
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« Reply #144 on: March 15, 2006, 01:30:15 PM »
The law school concept looks pretty bad.  For that matter, so does the OSU architecture school.  Dramatic architectural statements are not always dramatically pleasing to the eye.

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« Reply #145 on: March 15, 2006, 01:48:44 PM »
Only problem, smackem - I don't think I could pass for a collegiate any more - hmm, but a grad student... that's an idea!  :wink:

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« Reply #146 on: March 15, 2006, 02:23:05 PM »
mayday,

anyone can access rhodes tower.  the elevator shafts are a bit confusing, so i would recommend the stairs as it will give you the added bonus of being able to see the windows on each floor.  i believe the 5th or 7th floor has a nice view.

but hey, regarding a great photo spot, try the 7th floor of the new federal courthouse tower.  the lunchroom (public access) has great views west and north along the river while a rear 7th floor patio/garden has great views looking south along W. Huron.  if you've never been, the building is well worth a visit!

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« Reply #147 on: March 16, 2006, 02:11:06 PM »
Great tip Guv!

I was going to add, MayDay, that there's no security check to get into Rhodes Tower.  It's kind of strange, come to think of it, that the tallest building on a State-owned campus...and a university, no less...has no security check in.  Many college campuses these days have ID checks at all doors of their buildings...hmmm.

Anyway, you can get in, but like X said, the windows are narrow and DIRTY!  I was just trying to get a view out of the windows at WCSB (9th floor) and they're filthy, set back and only one opens in the whole station...bummer.

Good luck!

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« Reply #148 on: March 16, 2006, 02:19:34 PM »
"but hey, regarding a great photo spot, try the 7th floor of the new federal courthouse tower."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that cameras weren't allowed in the courthouse tower. Mind you when I took a hardhat tour, they didn't a rat's patooty.  :?

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« Reply #149 on: March 22, 2006, 11:22:58 AM »
Here are some new Recreation Center pictures to look at: