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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2250 on: September 20, 2017, 01:20:40 PM »
All those corrupt scientists, getting rich off of their false claims that climate change is caused by humans...

Yes, yes that's what I claiming, they're getting rich not that the consensus you claim is not what that lady's cardboard sign is representing. Or that there is hard data that shows storms are not getting worse. Whatever, I'm part of the grand anti-science plot that thinks life will be around in 100 years. I mean it's only been on this planet for 3-4 billion years or so.
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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2251 on: September 20, 2017, 01:21:20 PM »
I can't find a graphic or chart show any trendlines of worldwide tropical cyclone intensity over the decades.

Look up the ACE index. It becomes very clear that tropical cyclone intensity is roughly the same as it was in 1960s. Not a conspiracy or made up fact. That's why you don't see climatologists climbing onboard these statements much about storms getting worse.
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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2252 on: September 20, 2017, 01:39:57 PM »
All those corrupt scientists, getting rich off of their false claims that climate change is caused by humans...

Yes, yes that's what I claiming, they're getting rich not that the consensus you claim is not what that lady's cardboard sign is representing. Or that there is hard data that shows storms are not getting worse. Whatever, I'm part of the grand anti-science plot that thinks life will be around in 100 years. I mean it's only been on this planet for 3-4 billion years or so.


Well, yes and no...

https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/

For the tl:dr crowd...

Summary for Atlantic Hurricanes and Global Warming

In summary, neither our model projections for the 21st century nor our analyses of trends in Atlantic hurricane and tropical storm counts over the past 120+ yr support the notion that greenhouse gas-induced warming leads to large increases in either tropical storm or overall hurricane numbers in the Atlantic. One modeling study projects a large (~100%) increase in Atlantic category 4-5 hurricanes over the 21st century, but we estimate that this increase may not be detectable until the latter half of the century.

Therefore, we conclude that despite statistical correlations between SST and Atlantic hurricane activity in recent decades, it is premature to conclude that human activity–and particularly greenhouse warming–has already caused a detectable change in Atlantic hurricane activity. (“Detectable” here means the change is large enough to be distinguishable from the variability due to natural causes.) However, human activity may have already caused some some changes that are not yet detectable due to the small magnitude of the changes or observation limitations, or are not yet confidently modeled (e.g., aerosol effects on regional climate).

We also conclude that it is likely that climate warming will cause hurricanes in the coming century to be more intense globally and to have higher rainfall rates than present-day hurricanes. In our view, there are better than even odds that the numbers of very intense (category 4 and 5) hurricanes will increase by a substantial fraction in some basins, while it is likely that the annual number of tropical storms globally will either decrease or remain essentially unchanged. These assessment statements are intended to apply to climate warming of the type projected for the 21st century by IPCC AR4 scenarios, such as A1B.

The relatively conservative confidence levels attached to these projections, and the lack of a claim of detectable anthropogenic influence at this time contrasts with the situation for other climate metrics, such as global mean temperature. In the case of global mean surface temperature, the IPCC 5th Assessment Report (2013) presents a strong body of scientific evidence that most of the global warming observed over the past half century is very likely due to human-caused greenhouse gas emissions.
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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2253 on: October 09, 2017, 06:36:57 PM »
Theyre still fruitlessly trying to save a dying industry that's become mostly irrelevant. And that's coming from someone whose grandfather was president of Susquehanna Collieries Inc. and VP of Hanna Mining Co.

The war on coal is over, said Pruitt.  To be replaced by wars on the environment, and ultimately civilization
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/climate/clean-power-plan.html
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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2254 on: October 09, 2017, 07:22:39 PM »
Jane Goodall: "We don’t have unlimited time" to save the planet https://t.co/KnrampKHaR
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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2255 on: October 10, 2017, 01:21:44 PM »
Theyre still fruitlessly trying to save a dying industry that's become mostly irrelevant. And that's coming from someone whose grandfather was president of Susquehanna Collieries Inc. and VP of Hanna Mining Co.

The war on coal is over, said Pruitt.  To be replaced by wars on the environment, and ultimately civilization
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/climate/clean-power-plan.html

Even China is trending toward less coal.
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/08/16/china-halts-construction-150-gw-new-coal-power-plants/

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2256 on: October 12, 2017, 10:14:33 AM »
China now has double the solar capacity of the U.S.  They're installing a soccer field of solar panels every hour of every day.  China is putting us to shame.
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« Reply #2257 on: October 30, 2017, 08:34:26 PM »
Global atmospheric CO2 levels hit record high
UN warns that drastic action is needed to meet climate targets set in the Paris agreement
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/30/global-atmospheric-co2-levels-hit-record-high?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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« Reply #2258 on: November 05, 2017, 10:28:43 AM »
Biggest demonstration for #ClimateAction ever to take place in Germany now happening in Bonn, ahead of #COP23 #KeepItInTheGround https://t.co/8zJuMyZWHM
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« Reply #2259 on: November 08, 2017, 09:30:04 AM »
Good elections results last night. And then America reminds me why I'm embarrassed about her. SYRIA just joined the Paris climate deal, leaving US as the *only* nation on Earth opposed.

So by "America first," they meant America last.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-41904650
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« Reply #2260 on: November 13, 2017, 02:34:43 PM »
More than 15,000 scientists from 184 countries issue 'warning to humanity'
http://www.cbc.ca/1.4395767
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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2261 on: November 16, 2017, 05:10:36 PM »
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U.S. slammed for coal pitch at climate talks: ‘Like promoting tobacco at a cancer summit’

Trump is so GD embarrassing.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/11/14/business/like-promoting-tobacco-cancer-summit-u-s-pitches-coal-climate-talks-slammed/#.Wg4K-EqnG71


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« Reply #2262 on: December 06, 2017, 10:26:11 PM »
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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2263 on: December 12, 2017, 05:20:32 PM »
Arctic permafrost thawing faster than ever, US climate study finds | Environment | The Guardian  https://t.co/rRhwicgGOn
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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2264 on: January 05, 2018, 11:44:27 AM »
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2016/10/17/13190036/global-climate-change-facts-effects-cartoon

The fight against global warming is an uphill battle, and no country on Earth is facing the realities of that challenge over the coming decades.

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« Reply #2265 on: January 05, 2018, 11:53:43 AM »
A week old but should help some of us insular folks in the USA who are looking out their front doors this past week and wondering about "that global warming thing".... BTW, it's "global" warming, not a frozen double-wide in Hazard, KY.
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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2266 on: January 05, 2018, 12:23:18 PM »
Yet the world is warming now and extreme global poverty continues it's steady decline despite an explosion in human population and global agricultural output continues it's steady increase.

https://psmag.com/.image/t_share/MTQ2NTk2MjQ0MzkzNjMzNjU5/a4c95-1hky1-dic5ujhvqbuhbq8ew.png

https://i0.wp.com/ageconomists.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Figure-2.png

But the disaster is around the corner. The end is near. It's promised by some climatologists so therefore it's true. Invest in gold and Bitcoin now!  ;)

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2267 on: January 05, 2018, 12:27:14 PM »
^WTF is the relevance of the two charts to global warming?

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« Reply #2268 on: January 05, 2018, 12:31:46 PM »
^WTF is the relevance of the two charts to global warming?

Uhhh...The increase in global temps didn't start today and the Vox article states we will have a human catastrophe on our hands through poverty and agricultural failure.

Or do we only count relevant data when it aligns with some people's predictions with the theory?

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« Reply #2269 on: January 05, 2018, 12:35:50 PM »
Except the major problems that will likely arise from climate change haven't even begun. So no graph of the past would show much of anything yet in terms of resultant data.

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« Reply #2270 on: January 05, 2018, 12:37:59 PM »
Except the major problems that will likely arise from climate change haven't even begun. So no graph of the past would show much of anything yet in terms of resultant data.

I'm not the ignore data over predictions kind of guy. I remember reading my Scholastic back in early 80's grade school and being promised we'd be eating Soylent Green by 2020 due to uncontrolled population growth. Call me a skeptic on end of the world theories.
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« Reply #2271 on: January 05, 2018, 12:44:57 PM »
Did you ever think we're warming NOW because of the increased ag production?  I mean, it's obviously not the only culprit, but come on.

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« Reply #2272 on: January 05, 2018, 12:47:58 PM »
Did you ever think we're warming NOW because of the increased ag production?  I mean, it's obviously not the only culprit, but come on.

The article says that warming decreases agricultural production. Calls the situation a human catastrophe. Yet....

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2273 on: January 05, 2018, 12:51:46 PM »
I guess right before the real estate collapsed and experts were calling it, they must've been wrong because all the charts showed no decline in real estate values up to that point.

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« Reply #2274 on: January 05, 2018, 12:54:53 PM »
I guess right before the real estate collapsed and experts were calling it, they must've been wrong because all the charts showed no decline in real estate values up to that point.

Because real estate speculation is a valuable window into AGW theory.

Right, I get it. The theory says the end of all life will hit planet earth in 200 years. Surface of Mercury stuff. I know, I know. Shame on me for questioning that aspect of AGW. Global agricultural production and poverty will change for the worse, ignore the data.

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« Reply #2275 on: January 05, 2018, 12:56:25 PM »
I just poked a hole in your theory of no chart showing something.  But you go ahead and create a strawman instead.  You do you.

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« Reply #2276 on: January 05, 2018, 12:58:25 PM »
I just poked a hole in your theory of no chart showing something.  But you go ahead and create a strawman instead.  You do you.

Right, a strawman argument using real data relating to the Vox article. But if an article says warming causes agricultural failure and increase poverty it's 100% going to happen because it is on Internet.
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« Reply #2277 on: January 05, 2018, 01:01:13 PM »
Articles says that real estate was going to crash but the data showed that values were increasing.  Therefore, real estate never crashed.  but go ahead and switch your argument to the surface of Mercury or whatever strawman you built before.

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« Reply #2278 on: January 05, 2018, 01:02:54 PM »
Articles says that real estate was going to crash but the data showed that values were increasing.  Therefore, real estate never crashed.  but go ahead and switch your argument to the surface of Mercury or whatever strawman you built before.

Well if some Internet article had true predictiona they must all be true.

Yes, go after my Mercury comment because it invalidates all the data.

To busy for this...you win, I lose. Congrats.

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« Reply #2279 on: January 05, 2018, 01:04:09 PM »
^ You made the comment, bro. 

And I'm sure you've reviewed all the data too. 

. Some agricultural and forest systems may
experience near-term productivity increases, but over the long term, many such systems are
likely to experience overall decreases in productivity


https://www.usda.gov/oce/climate_change/SAP4_3/CCSPFinalReport.pdf
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