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Re: Columbus: Short North Developments and News
« Reply #1260 on: April 11, 2018, 05:46:49 PM »
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Ok well then what do you suggest?  It's a public lot already and that's why I suggested that space and make it so that it could be converted in the future.  Alternative transit options don't work for families coming from the suburbs or out of town.  A train will not solve or alleviate any of the problems either.  A garage would help for now and into the future in my opinion.

Why do you think urban neighborhoods should be built for suburbanites?  That is my first question.  There are park and rides all over the city, and taxis and ubers.  If suburbanites really wanted to come to the Short North, they can, even without endless parking options.  And why would you plan infrastructure in the city around an occasional visitor rather than people who actually live and work there?  It's just incorrect to think that a popular, dense urban neighborhood can also have abundant, easy and cheap parking.  It's just not going to happen, and trying to build with that expectation is only going to make the neighborhood have a bigger problem than the one you're trying to solve.  The Short North doesn't need more infrastructure for more cars that will only lead to yet more traffic.  It needs people to use every other means- walking, biking, taxis, buses.  Not everyone is going to like that, but they can go to Hilliard-Rome Road if they need a free parking lot in front of everywhere they want to go. 

Just because they live in the burbs doesn't mean they don't want to come to work or play.  The lot there isn't free as is and I never suggested the one there be free.  Parking is going to be very limited here shortly and that is going to effect the businesses in the area and that's who I'm looking out for in my argument.  What I am saying is a train, bike, bus or Uber does not work for everyone and we do have to think of those folks because they are important to our neighborhoods businesses. Regardless of what you may be assuming there is a NEED for parking in the area which is why I suggested it.  Whether it be for workers or patrons, suburbanites or out of towners, there is a need for a structure in that area as it continues to grow.

During the parking summit meeting on Saturday the director of parking suggested a park and ride for workers in the short north.  Most people are not going to take an Uber to work, a bus or bike weather permitting would be a viable option, but again not for everyone.  The cost of rent and ownership in the areas that are close and even on a bus line is another. That suggests a need and I will continue if needed.
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Re: Columbus: Short North Developments and News
« Reply #1261 on: April 11, 2018, 06:39:27 PM »
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Ok well then what do you suggest?  It's a public lot already and that's why I suggested that space and make it so that it could be converted in the future.  Alternative transit options don't work for families coming from the suburbs or out of town.  A train will not solve or alleviate any of the problems either.  A garage would help for now and into the future in my opinion.

Why do you think urban neighborhoods should be built for suburbanites?  That is my first question.  There are park and rides all over the city, and taxis and ubers.  If suburbanites really wanted to come to the Short North, they can, even without endless parking options.  And why would you plan infrastructure in the city around an occasional visitor rather than people who actually live and work there?  It's just incorrect to think that a popular, dense urban neighborhood can also have abundant, easy and cheap parking.  It's just not going to happen, and trying to build with that expectation is only going to make the neighborhood have a bigger problem than the one you're trying to solve.  The Short North doesn't need more infrastructure for more cars that will only lead to yet more traffic.  It needs people to use every other means- walking, biking, taxis, buses.  Not everyone is going to like that, but they can go to Hilliard-Rome Road if they need a free parking lot in front of everywhere they want to go. 

I see what you are saying and agree with most of it, but a garage or two tucked onto an  already existing lot or mostly empty space or single story building is not going to hurt. There are going to be more people and yes, they are going to use more cars whether or not there are garages for them. I certainly don't want to see one right on High, but a couple more tucked away would help for those who want to have cars and live there or work there, and there are people who will be in the most urban environment possible and still insist on having or driving a car no matter what.

But the more people who don't drive means less congestion as they will not be on the road with those who insist on driving so those other things are very important as well. The problem is that High street is just not that wide of a street, and this is Central Ohio, where many many people will only let go of their cars when their cold dead hands are pried off the wheel.

I admit that I love the idea of public transit, but hate taking it in Columbus because every. single. time. there has been a probem so I avoid it like the plague. Very different experiences in places like NYC though. I must be cursed with Columbus transit.

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Re: Columbus: Short North Developments and News
« Reply #1262 on: April 11, 2018, 06:42:32 PM »
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Ok well then what do you suggest?  It's a public lot already and that's why I suggested that space and make it so that it could be converted in the future.  Alternative transit options don't work for families coming from the suburbs or out of town.  A train will not solve or alleviate any of the problems either.  A garage would help for now and into the future in my opinion.

Why do you think urban neighborhoods should be built for suburbanites?  That is my first question.  There are park and rides all over the city, and taxis and ubers.  If suburbanites really wanted to come to the Short North, they can, even without endless parking options.  And why would you plan infrastructure in the city around an occasional visitor rather than people who actually live and work there?  It's just incorrect to think that a popular, dense urban neighborhood can also have abundant, easy and cheap parking.  It's just not going to happen, and trying to build with that expectation is only going to make the neighborhood have a bigger problem than the one you're trying to solve.  The Short North doesn't need more infrastructure for more cars that will only lead to yet more traffic.  It needs people to use every other means- walking, biking, taxis, buses.  Not everyone is going to like that, but they can go to Hilliard-Rome Road if they need a free parking lot in front of everywhere they want to go. 


Half the time you end up walking further from your car to the door on Hillard-Rome than in the SN.

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« Reply #1263 on: April 12, 2018, 10:08:26 AM »
^Exactly. Walking from the Hubbard garage to the new Food Hall is the equivalent of walking from the Barnes and Noble in Easton to the Nordstrom - about 1/2 mile. It baffles me that people don't have an issue with the distance at Easton but complain when they cannot park directly in front of their destination in the Short North.

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« Reply #1264 on: April 12, 2018, 10:33:23 AM »
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Ok well then what do you suggest?  It's a public lot already and that's why I suggested that space and make it so that it could be converted in the future.  Alternative transit options don't work for families coming from the suburbs or out of town.  A train will not solve or alleviate any of the problems either.  A garage would help for now and into the future in my opinion.

Why do you think urban neighborhoods should be built for suburbanites?  That is my first question.  There are park and rides all over the city, and taxis and ubers.  If suburbanites really wanted to come to the Short North, they can, even without endless parking options.  And why would you plan infrastructure in the city around an occasional visitor rather than people who actually live and work there?  It's just incorrect to think that a popular, dense urban neighborhood can also have abundant, easy and cheap parking.  It's just not going to happen, and trying to build with that expectation is only going to make the neighborhood have a bigger problem than the one you're trying to solve.  The Short North doesn't need more infrastructure for more cars that will only lead to yet more traffic.  It needs people to use every other means- walking, biking, taxis, buses.  Not everyone is going to like that, but they can go to Hilliard-Rome Road if they need a free parking lot in front of everywhere they want to go. 


Half the time you end up walking further from your car to the door on Hillard-Rome than in the SN.

It is a much less pleasant and interesting walk as well. The Walmart and Meijer lots are particularly ugly. And you can be accosted by addicts/beggars in those lots as well.

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Re: Columbus: Short North Developments and News
« Reply #1265 on: April 16, 2018, 01:18:12 PM »
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« Reply #1266 on: April 16, 2018, 05:00:09 PM »
That's a great shot.
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« Reply #1267 on: April 16, 2018, 05:40:08 PM »
A little add-on to show those skeptical folks that we have a ton of growth going on in our city  ;)
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« Reply #1268 on: April 16, 2018, 05:40:14 PM »
The City of Columbus High St. streetscape April 16 project update included the following regarding private project construction schedules. Demolition of the Grandveiw Mercantile building begins next week.

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Private Development Project Updates

711 NORTH HIGH

Concrete trucks continue to be on site for concrete deck pours. The westernmost lane on High St. directly in front of the site remains closed during working hours. The existing scaffolding structure is expected to remain in place through July. Build-out is set for completion October 2018.

750 NORTH HIGH (Bollinger Tower)

Interior demolition activities are expected to start in April. Build-out is set for completion in June 2019. There are no traffic impacts at this time. Once demolition activities begin, some of the existing surface parking lot behind Bollinger Tower will no longer be available. Expect spaces to remain open for public parking until demolition activities begin.

800 NORTH HIGH (Moxy Hotel)

Foot traffic continues to be routed to a temporary walkway on the east side of High St. between Hull Alley and E. Hubbard Ave. In addition, on E. Hubbard Ave., foot traffic continues to be routed to a temporary walkway on the south side of the street between High Street and Pearl Street.

Two parking meters are unavailable on High St. north of Hull Aly. in addition to four parking meters on E. Hubbard Ave. Expect this to continue until build-out is finished. Construction is expected to be complete June 2019

On Monday: E. Hubbard Ave. will be closed between High St. and N. Pearl St. to vehicular traffic for two days for underground storm sewer installation. Follow detour signs to route around this area. Access to the Hubbard Ave. garage will remain available.

873 NORTH HIGH (Grandview Mercantile development)

New: Demolition of the existing building begins next week. This will take approximately two to three weeks to complete. During demolition, the sidewalk in front of the building will be closed to foot traffic. Pedestrians will be re-routed into a temporary walkway in the street. Expect meters in front of the site to be bagged and remained bagged through construction. Build-out is set for completion in May 2019.

900 NORTH HIGH (UDF development)

Build-out is set for completion in June. The parking lane on the east side of High St. is currently closed and a pedestrian walkway is in place on the east side of the street.

944 NORTH HIGH (The Brunner Building)

Build-out is set for completion in June. The parking lane on the east side of High St. is currently closed and will remain closed through June.

965 NORTH HIGH (The Castle)

Build-out is set for completion in July. Foot traffic is being routed around this site for the next few weeks during final construction activities leading into its opening. If you’re walking from the north, cross the street at the crosswalk south of Flower Child; if you’re walking from the south cross over to the east side of the street at W. Second Ave. to maneuver around.

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Re: Columbus: Short North Developments and News
« Reply #1269 on: April 16, 2018, 05:47:52 PM »
Do we know if the Grandview Mercantile development will be using a tower crane?

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« Reply #1270 on: April 16, 2018, 05:54:18 PM »
^Isn't it a 4 story building now? I would think that's too short for a tower crane.

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« Reply #1271 on: April 16, 2018, 06:05:44 PM »
^Isn't it a 4 story building now? I would think that's too short for a tower crane.

I still wouldn't be shocked if they use one mainly because of how tight and expansive the site is at the same time.  The layout is actually similar to the High & Lane development and that got one.

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« Reply #1272 on: April 16, 2018, 06:13:33 PM »
^ I thought it was going to be six stories back off High Street a bit.

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« Reply #1273 on: April 16, 2018, 08:27:32 PM »
Grandview Merc started coming down today.

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« Reply #1274 on: April 16, 2018, 08:32:18 PM »
^ I thought it was going to be six stories back off High Street a bit.
The High St. building is four-story and the office building just off High is six.

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« Reply #1275 on: April 16, 2018, 09:26:18 PM »
A little add-on to show those skeptical folks that we have a ton of growth going on in our city  ;)


I was looking at that great pic and wondering just how all the new stuff would fit in.
Now get a little more creative and have a color or something for (should be filled in) parking lots, like the ones along and just off High in the Short North! ;)

It has gotten to where seeing a surface lot near High is disturbing to me lol.

*also you might squeeze in the 8 story building on Long, and the new convention center parking garage behind that hotel. And that does not even show the stuff that can't be shown like some of the Riversouth stuff and the 15 floor building to go up by the Holiday Inn. Lots to watch go up!
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Re: Columbus: Short North Developments and News
« Reply #1276 on: April 17, 2018, 01:29:35 PM »
The UDF building has certainly been setting a great pace. Puts most others to shame.

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Re: Columbus: Short North Developments and News
« Reply #1277 on: April 18, 2018, 03:25:51 PM »
Four Short North Developments Opening this Summer
https://www.columbusunderground.com/four-short-north-developments-opening-this-summer-bw1

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Hubbard Park Place...With upscale finishes and amenities, the apartments are aimed squarely at the top of the market; a two-bedroom, 1,464-square-foot unit is priced at $4,450 a month
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« Reply #1278 on: April 18, 2018, 04:09:54 PM »
Four Short North Developments Opening this Summer
https://www.columbusunderground.com/four-short-north-developments-opening-this-summer-bw1

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Hubbard Park Place...With upscale finishes and amenities, the apartments are aimed squarely at the top of the market; a two-bedroom, 1,464-square-foot unit is priced at $4,450 a month
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Has GOT to be a typo because at that price, good luck!  That's almost double what the mortgage would be on a new build at the Jeffrey and 1,000 less sqft.

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« Reply #1279 on: April 18, 2018, 04:26:37 PM »
Four Short North Developments Opening this Summer
https://www.columbusunderground.com/four-short-north-developments-opening-this-summer-bw1

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Hubbard Park Place...With upscale finishes and amenities, the apartments are aimed squarely at the top of the market; a two-bedroom, 1,464-square-foot unit is priced at $4,450 a month
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Has GOT to be a typo because at that price, good luck!  That's almost double what the mortgage would be on a new build at the Jeffrey and 1,000 less sqft.

Their website says $3,300 I think. Was looking at it the other day. And they had a cheaper option I thought.

*Edit. They do have a two bedroom for $4,450. Not sure why it's so much more than the $3,300 two bedroom.
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Re: Columbus: Short North Developments and News
« Reply #1280 on: April 18, 2018, 05:14:35 PM »
Latest Design for Bollinger Tower Hotel Approved



The Italian Village Commission approved the latest design for the renovation of Bollinger Tower last night, clearing the way for the 11-story building to be converted into a hotel with a two-story addition in front.

The project has been through numerous iterations since the Columbus Metropolitan Housing Authority first agreed to sell the building, located at 750 N. High St., in early 2016. Residents were offered vouchers to move to affordable housing elsewhere, and by mid-2017 all of the nearly one hundred former residents had moved out of the building.

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https://www.columbusunderground.com/latest-design-for-bollinger-tower-hotel-approved-bw1

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Re: Columbus: Short North Developments and News
« Reply #1281 on: April 18, 2018, 05:39:45 PM »
Four Short North Developments Opening this Summer
https://www.columbusunderground.com/four-short-north-developments-opening-this-summer-bw1

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Hubbard Park Place...With upscale finishes and amenities, the apartments are aimed squarely at the top of the market; a two-bedroom, 1,464-square-foot unit is priced at $4,450 a month
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Has GOT to be a typo because at that price, good luck!  That's almost double what the mortgage would be on a new build at the Jeffrey and 1,000 less sqft.

Their website says $3,300 I think. Was looking at it the other day. And they had a cheaper option I thought.

*Edit. They do have a two bedroom for $4,450. Not sure why it's so much more than the $3,300 two bedroom.

I had to see for myself and my guess would be penthouse and that those are VERY limited like maybe 2-4 units in total.

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Re: Columbus: Short North Developments and News
« Reply #1282 on: April 18, 2018, 05:41:45 PM »
Latest Design for Bollinger Tower Hotel Approved



The Italian Village Commission approved the latest design for the renovation of Bollinger Tower last night, clearing the way for the 11-story building to be converted into a hotel with a two-story addition in front.

The project has been through numerous iterations since the Columbus Metropolitan Housing Authority first agreed to sell the building, located at 750 N. High St., in early 2016. Residents were offered vouchers to move to affordable housing elsewhere, and by mid-2017 all of the nearly one hundred former residents had moved out of the building.

More below:
https://www.columbusunderground.com/latest-design-for-bollinger-tower-hotel-approved-bw1



About time!!

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« Reply #1283 on: April 18, 2018, 05:49:48 PM »
So I know they are going to be doing a 2nd floor restaurant/bar which is clear from the renderings however the new overall rendering shows all this glass on the top of the building, that currently does not exist in any form, which would almost suggest adding a floor and by my count I'm seeing 12 floors on this view, and could be a true roof top location for a restaurant/bar.  Anyone else know anything about this possibility based on this pic?

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« Reply #1284 on: April 18, 2018, 05:55:37 PM »
Wow...pleasantly surprised Bollinger was approved without a pedestrian plaza. It will be nice to have a street wall along High once this is completed.

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« Reply #1285 on: April 18, 2018, 06:14:48 PM »
So I know they are going to be doing a 2nd floor restaurant/bar which is clear from the renderings however the new overall rendering shows all this glass on the top of the building, that currently does not exist in any form, which would almost suggest adding a floor and by my count I'm seeing 12 floors on this view, and could be a true roof top location for a restaurant/bar.  Anyone else know anything about this possibility based on this pic?

I don't think you're far off, more than likely a restaurant or event space.

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« Reply #1286 on: April 19, 2018, 09:58:22 AM »
So I know they are going to be doing a 2nd floor restaurant/bar which is clear from the renderings however the new overall rendering shows all this glass on the top of the building, that currently does not exist in any form, which would almost suggest adding a floor and by my count I'm seeing 12 floors on this view, and could be a true roof top location for a restaurant/bar.  Anyone else know anything about this possibility based on this pic?

I don't think you're far off, more than likely a restaurant or event space.
A rooftop bar was proposed on top of the 12 story tower. In March the IV Commission was concerned about that bar. Maybe that program item has changed? They were OK with the rooftop spaces on the new, lower addition. https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2018/03/21/italian-village-commission-sees-updated-plans-for.html

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« Reply #1287 on: April 19, 2018, 02:24:05 PM »
Parkside on Pearl is back with a revised design, and with increased density - 65 units up from the previously proposed 47

I actually like this design better (minus the IMHO unnecessary building signage), and the new renderings also show how it relates to the neighboring Moxy Hotel/office project under construction on the Haiku site,

https://www.columbusunderground.com/parkside-on-pearl-proposal-brought-back-to-italian-village-commission-bw1




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« Reply #1288 on: April 19, 2018, 02:38:21 PM »
Those are really nice renderings. I agree that this is a great improvement over the previously approved design. I like the signage though. Wish they'd have actual balconies facing the park though. They seem to be Highpoint (gasp!) type "balconies".

*Edit. Also, according to the Short North Design Guidelines map, this is in the Short North.
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« Reply #1289 on: April 19, 2018, 03:03:01 PM »
The street frontage part where the green space was does seem to connect the building to the street and makes it less of a "Lane Avenue high rise" type of a look. And the rooftop space on the 12th floor would be an great thing. The views! :)

*re: the rooftop space...DO IT! If some drunk does happen to tumble over the side it will be their own stupid fault!