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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30240 on: February 13, 2018, 02:46:18 PM »
At this point, CAF should build Cincinnati a 6th car for free and then rotate out the existing 5 one at a time to repair the compressors. It would be a goodwill gesture and also could cover the cost of damages incurred by the city.

Not to mention that if we want to actually run our streetcars at the originally promised service levels (12 minutes peak, 15 minutes off-peak), we really should have 6 or 7 streetcars anyway instead of 5. Peak should be running 4, not 3. Off-peak should be running 3, not 2.

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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30241 on: February 13, 2018, 08:21:12 PM »
In an unprecedented display of regional unity, Dayton has sent one of its Next-Gen trolleybuses down to Cincinnati to help keep the ice off the streetcar's wire! Eat your heart out, North and South Korea! ;D





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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30242 on: February 13, 2018, 08:39:55 PM »
From what I hear, the Dayton folks were happy to come down and help us out. Maybe next time Dayton buys new trolleybuses, we should buy one of the old ones they're retiring, and keep it around for precisely this purpose.

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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30243 on: February 13, 2018, 08:40:55 PM »
The new Dayton trolleybuses are electric/battery vehicles.  They can apparently run for 15 miles off batteries at 50mph with a full load of passengers.  That's pretty impressive, and it's how they were able to run here without a second overhead wire. 

Anyway, trolleybus poles are heavy and rigid enough to support what's called a sleet scraper or sleet cutter shoe.  Lightweight pantographs can't handle the additional longitudinal (?) force.  Either it would damage the pantograph or it wouldn't have enough force against the wire to cut into the ice.  That said, Dayton has a bunch of extra trolley poles from their old buses, and a suggestion was made to fit one of those with a sleet scraper and mount it (properly insulated of course) to a work truck.  One could theoretically be mounted to a streetcar if there's room with all the a/c condenser fans and other stuff on the roof. 

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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30244 on: February 13, 2018, 08:42:09 PM »
From what I hear, the Dayton folks were happy to come down and help us out.

Very much so.  They had that bus down here within 2 hours.

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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30245 on: February 13, 2018, 08:42:11 PM »
How did they get the buses here?  According to what I have read, they can only operate for 15 miles off-wire. 

This thing looks like a bit of a put-on by the Cran-man.  Show that traditional buses work "just fine" -- even though I personally saw several of them broken down during cold weather in recent weeks. 

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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30246 on: February 13, 2018, 08:43:12 PM »
I assume that the bus they sent is the dual-mode that has an internal combustion engine in it that Dayton bought for trial purposes, but I could be wrong. Some of the next-gens have ICE’s, and the other ones are battery powered.
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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30247 on: February 13, 2018, 08:48:39 PM »
^ If it was one of the electric/diesels then that would make it easier to get it here, so you're probably right.  Otherwise they'd need a flatbed, because I doubt towing one for 60 miles on I-75 is practical. 

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« Reply #30248 on: February 13, 2018, 09:06:20 PM »
How did they get the buses here?  According to what I have read, they can only operate for 15 miles off-wire. 

This thing looks like a bit of a put-on by the Cran-man.  Show that traditional buses work "just fine" -- even though I personally saw several of them broken down during cold weather in recent weeks. 

Nah, Cranley and most of the city staff don't know anything about how rail or trolleybus technology actually works, so they never would've come up with the idea to pick up the phone and call Dayton. This plan was definitely hatched by someone on the streetcar staff who has experience with rail.

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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30249 on: February 13, 2018, 10:11:20 PM »
Americans have a tendency to think every problem is all new and that every solution has to be all new. They also think they have to come up with a solution themselves. When people have experience, though, they contact others that are in a similar boat and ask what they would do.

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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30250 on: February 16, 2018, 12:37:27 PM »
The Business Courier's poll this week: What grade would you give the Cincinnati Bell Connector streetcar's performance so far?

Of course, next weeks poll should be "What grade would you give the current administration's performance in ensuring the Cincinnati Bell Connector is a success?"
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« Reply #30251 on: February 21, 2018, 11:49:49 AM »
Kansas City Streetcar had 97,000 riders in January, Cincinnati Streetcar had 17,000 riders.

Same rolling stock. Virtually the same route length, city size, and weather.
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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30252 on: February 21, 2018, 11:56:20 AM »
Kansas City Streetcar had 97,000 riders in January, Cincinnati Streetcar had 17,000 riders.

Same rolling stock. Virtually the same route length, city size, and weather.

KC is blowing away all of the new streetcar systems, but receiving very little praise for it. 

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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30253 on: February 21, 2018, 12:07:04 PM »
Kansas City Streetcar had 97,000 riders in January, Cincinnati Streetcar had 17,000 riders.

Same rolling stock. Virtually the same route length, city size, and weather.

It's currently shut-down due to, guess what?  Icy conditions.  KC officials not sure when the streetcar will be back in service.

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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30254 on: February 21, 2018, 12:19:53 PM »
Kansas City Streetcar had 97,000 riders in January, Cincinnati Streetcar had 17,000 riders.

Same rolling stock. Virtually the same route length, city size, and weather.

KC is blowing away all of the new streetcar systems, but receiving very little praise for it.

Well, when a streetcar system is planned and routed correctly and performs accordingly when in service, why praise it?  It's doing what it's supposed to be doing in the 21st Century despite it being a 19th Century innovation of urban transportation.

When is a system is planned and routed incorrectly and performs accordingly when in service, it's going to be dumped on accordingly.  CIN's streetcar is a warm weather ''fun ride''.

Obviously KC's streetcar is routed correctly and it doesn't hurt that the rides are free.  Projected to attract 2,700 riders per day, even less than CIN's, its numbers are closer to 6,000.

Yet, despite KC's initial ''success" with its streetcar line, voters there still turned down an expansion funding.
Streetcars are suspect as a ''new mode'' of transit yet cities like KC and CIN will pour money into these lines to be ''progressive'' magnets to attract those alleged tranist-demanding millennials.

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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30255 on: February 21, 2018, 12:27:08 PM »
Kansas City Streetcar had 97,000 riders in January, Cincinnati Streetcar had 17,000 riders.

Same rolling stock. Virtually the same route length, city size, and weather.

That is a massive difference. I assume that the KC streetcar being free to ride accounts for part of that, but are there other nuances that account for its success relative to Cincinnati?

(Looks like my questions were answered above)

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« Reply #30256 on: February 21, 2018, 12:33:18 PM »
The fact that it's free helps more than you would think. (Especially for Cincinnatians who have no experience ever riding transit or using a TVM, they just don't want to deal with it.)

But the biggest difference has been the lack of FUD from Kansas City media and politicians. Cincinnatians have been hearing on an almost daily basis for the last decade that it doesn't go anywhere, that it cost $8 billion to build, that it doesn't run when it's cold out, that no one actually rides it... all of which are false or mostly false.

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« Reply #30257 on: February 21, 2018, 12:46:31 PM »
The fact that it's free helps more than you would think. (Especially for Cincinnatians who have no experience ever riding transit or using a TVM, they just don't want to deal with it.)

But the biggest difference has been the lack of FUD from Kansas City media and politicians. Cincinnatians have been hearing on an almost daily basis for the last decade that it doesn't go anywhere, that it cost $8 billion to build, that it doesn't run when it's cold out, that no one actually rides it... all of which are false or mostly false.

I understand the points you make were pre-streetcar opening; it's been open 1 1/2 years and its become a laughing stock due to, it sounds, being badly planned and operated, not to mention the hilarious pics of Dayton's buses towing the streetcar around all night.

If all those points are false, then the streetcar being up and running now would prove these points to be false.  How would the exaggerated cost of funding the streetcar prevent people from using it if it was convenient for them?

Why doesn't CIN make the streetcar ''free rides'' like KC? 

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« Reply #30258 on: February 21, 2018, 12:52:40 PM »
Why doesn't CIN make the streetcar ''free rides'' like KC? 

Because the current city administration has demanded that none of the streetcar's budget comes out of the city's operating budget ... so it has created a elaborate funding system cobbled together from 4 different sources, one of which is farebox revenue.

All of the problems you mention are not problems with "the streetcar", they are problems with the way that our anti-streetcar administration is running our streetcar system. There are a dozen easily-solvable problems that they refuse to solve. This is intentional, because the continuing existence of these problems allows Cranley to say, "see, I told you the streetcar was a bad idea." Literally last week, he said in front of Council that we need people on the SORTA board who "haven't drank the streetcar kool-aid." This guy is totally uninterested in fixing the streetcar's problems.

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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30259 on: February 21, 2018, 01:08:07 PM »
Cranley is such a DINO that he uses the age-old Republican trick of breaking government then pointing out that it doesn't work. He should be kicked out of the Democratic Party.

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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30260 on: February 21, 2018, 01:23:36 PM »
^ The way to win an election in the City of Cincinnati is to be a Republican but call yourself a Democrat.

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« Reply #30261 on: February 21, 2018, 01:47:16 PM »
What if the city built a new swimming pool but refused to fill it all the way, saying it couldn't afford the last foot of water.  Fewer than half as many people would swim or hang out around a slightly shallow pool.  That's the streetcar under Cranley. 

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« Reply #30262 on: February 21, 2018, 01:55:18 PM »
What if the city built a new swimming pool but refused to fill it all the way, saying it couldn't afford the last foot of water.  Fewer than half as many people would swim or hang out around a slightly shallow pool.  That's the streetcar under Cranley. 

Or if the filtration system broke in the middle of the summer, they refused to fix it and said, "Sorry, the pool will just be down for a couple of days." And then pointed at the empty pool and said, "See, I told you that pool was a boondoggle!"

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« Reply #30263 on: February 21, 2018, 02:02:41 PM »
What if the city built a new swimming pool but refused to fill it all the way, saying it couldn't afford the last foot of water.  Fewer than half as many people would swim or hang out around a slightly shallow pool.  That's the streetcar under Cranley. 

Or if the filtration system broke in the middle of the summer, they refused to fix it and said, "Sorry, the pool will just be down for a couple of days." And then pointed at the empty pool and said, "See, I told you that pool was a boondoggle!"

They could have just built the hop-on trolley instead!

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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30264 on: February 21, 2018, 02:24:02 PM »
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« Reply #30265 on: February 21, 2018, 03:31:15 PM »
Kansas City Streetcar had 97,000 riders in January, Cincinnati Streetcar had 17,000 riders.

Same rolling stock. Virtually the same route length, city size, and weather.

KC is blowing away all of the new streetcar systems, but receiving very little praise for it.

Yet, despite KC's initial ''success" with its streetcar line, voters there still turned down an expansion funding.
Streetcars are suspect as a ''new mode'' of transit yet cities like KC and CIN will pour money into these lines to be ''progressive'' magnets to attract those alleged tranist-demanding millennials.

Jeez you sound so angry about transit. I suggest going to Cincinnati.com. Search for 'PX'. It'll make you happy.

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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30266 on: February 21, 2018, 03:42:18 PM »
KC Streetcar has the 5th highest ridership per mile of light rail systems in the US

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_light_rail_systems_by_ridership

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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30267 on: February 21, 2018, 04:05:08 PM »
Also, the expansion has been approved by several public votes.  OC17 must be getting his "news" from Randal O'Toole.  Or a Russian bot. 

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« Reply #30268 on: February 21, 2018, 04:13:22 PM »
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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #30269 on: February 21, 2018, 05:14:22 PM »
Angry about transit? You sound like one of those sensitive millennials. Hardly angry, as a daily transit rider, unlike the majority of posters here, any points that are deemed to be ‘counter’, are dismissed.

Anything called ‘the connector’ is not transit.

I have to remember that the ‘connector’ is routed properly and is only a flop due to a local political conspiracy.  How then does one explaine the bump in ridership during warm weather generally and warm weather weekends in particular?  Why isn’t the political conspiracy taking its toll during these particular times.?