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Re: Racism
« Reply #1410 on: February 13, 2018, 11:05:40 AM »
^Agreed with your flip side comment.  I personally don't think of Common Law when I hear Anglo-American; however, I'm not one to profess feeling offended at every stupid thing said by people. 

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« Reply #1411 on: February 13, 2018, 11:36:16 AM »
It depends on context, and it depends on if it's being invoked in an exclusionary way or not. The United States was started by a bunch of guys from England and their English background and English values/culture heavily influenced their society back then and also influence modern America to this day. I don't think this is in dispute or something we need to hide from.

If people are going to argue that somehow those not descended from that heritage are somehow unfit for American society, that's where it becomes white supremacy. It also goes against the values of the constitution, written by those Anglo dudes, so those who make such an argument don't have a good understanding of the country's principles in the first place.
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« Reply #1412 on: February 13, 2018, 11:39:31 AM »
I really know nothing specific about sheriff's departments and their history, but our legal system definitely has Anglo roots, as in, it's derived from the legal system of England, England of course being a pioneer in limited government and civil liberties and so on. The American system of government in general definitely has Anglo-American roots.

On the flip side, such rhetoric about America's Anglo roots has certainly been employed by white supremacists, and Jeff Sessions having a questionable history in that regard, I don't know.

Consider being brought to America against your will and having to live (in reality, be oppressed) under its law-enforcement/legal system with little if any opportunity to amend it. When someone says that law-enforcement/legal system which was in place when you were brought to America should remain in place, and be revered, that's a concern for many people of color.
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« Reply #1413 on: February 13, 2018, 11:45:06 AM »
Of course, but that always seemed to me to be a flaw in the implementation rather than a flaw in the system itself. If the principles and laws laid out in the declaration of independence and constitution would have been followed, the slave trade could not have ever happened, nor could countless other abuses.

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« Reply #1414 on: February 16, 2018, 01:32:41 PM »
I ran into my landlord this morning who was on-site and was obligated to talk to her for a good 5 minutes when she brought up someone she referred to as "the colored boy" during the conversation. My brother was standing right there; we live in the same building and grab coffee together in the morning before work. He's half black but not many people know that; they assume he's white because he mostly looks it. Now I get why he purposely doesn't go around talking about his heritage and when people ask him if he's mixed with something, he just responds, "it doesn't matter what I am." In theory, he really shouldn't have to hide what he is but obviously, it could work against him. He happens to be into hunting, fishing, trucks and Harleys so he blends in really well.

I was really offended by that; who the hell says "colored" in 2018? Why does it even matter what color someone is in that context? How is that relevant to any small-talk discussion what-so-ever?

The crazy thing about is that she's a f-ing pastor, granted in some po-dunk town but still. She's in her 70s but hell, my grandma was 84 when she died; she was an uncouth hillbilly who said whatever was on her mind but she never said the n-word or referred to people as colored or anything else like that - even if it was normal to do so back in the day because she had a grip on the modern world and she didn't condone that kind of ignorant behavior.

I put Jesus in line with the tooth fairy and Easter bunny but I admire what he allegedly stood for, and I know he wouldn't be the type of guy to point out color of members of his community during small talk, as if it had any meaningful or relevant significance.

My landlord makes me want to puke. That's so ignorant.

It reminds of the people who defend Trump when he makes shocking statements about 'sh!thole countries' or whatever, and they say, "You have to understand, he comes from a different time!"

That's no excuse. I don't care what time you come from, it's your responsibility to change with the times and recognize right from wrong. We don't have separate bathrooms, water fountains or sections of the bus anymore. There's absolutely no reason to refer to people as 'coloreds.' You don't live in the 1950s. This is 2018.

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« Reply #1415 on: March 06, 2018, 08:38:01 AM »
Modern-day redlining: How banks block people of color from homeownership
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-modern-day-redlining-20180215-story.html
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« Reply #1416 on: March 06, 2018, 09:22:35 AM »
And so you just presume banks are lying here?  Guilty until proven guilty?

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Lenders and their trade organizations do not dispute the fact that they turn away people of color at rates far greater than whites. But they maintain that the disparity can be explained by two factors the industry has fought to keep hidden: the prospective borrowers' credit history and overall debt-to-income ratio. They singled out the three-digit credit score - which banks use to determine whether a borrower is likely to repay a loan - as especially important in lending decisions.

"While quite informative regarding the state of the lending market," the records analyzed by Reveal do "not include sufficient data to make a determination regarding fair lending," the Mortgage Bankers Association's chief economist, Mike Fratantoni, said in a statement.

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« Reply #1417 on: March 06, 2018, 09:45:29 AM »
Was that directed at me and in response to the article I posted? As I've said many times, I don't read most of what I post. I post way too many articles to have read them all. Frankly, a lot of it doesn't interest me. But based on all of the comments, I thought others here at UO might find the articles of interest to them. If not, let me know.
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Re: Racism
« Reply #1418 on: March 06, 2018, 09:51:14 AM »
Here's a point for reflection:

Today is the anniversary of the Dred Scott case in which Justice Taney gave one of the least just opinions in our Court's history. Let it be a reminder that, while we may not feel it, we have improved vastly as a society and also that, while rare, the SCOTUS can render opinion to pacify political fears.

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Re: Racism
« Reply #1419 on: March 06, 2018, 09:55:59 AM »
KJP, yes, it was directed at you.  I should have known better than to think you'd actually read it first.

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« Reply #1420 on: March 06, 2018, 10:11:30 AM »
Let that be a lesson to you! :)
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« Reply #1421 on: March 07, 2018, 08:19:41 AM »
"Today, plenty of minorities are in the middle class (or beyond); such a demographic shift no longer signifies socioeconomic decline. So, aside from pure prejudice, there's no clear reason why 'white flight' should persist."

Yet it does...
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« Reply #1422 on: March 08, 2018, 02:01:28 AM »
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« Reply #1423 on: March 09, 2018, 12:17:10 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/08/health/duval-county-teacher-racial-slur-trnd/index.html

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Re: Racism
« Reply #1424 on: March 09, 2018, 12:23:11 PM »
^ he still has a job too.  but tell me again how PC is the real problem.

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« Reply #1425 on: March 09, 2018, 12:47:52 PM »
Well, if they paid teachers a livable wage, they could probably get decent educators in there instead of ignorant fools like this guy.

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« Reply #1426 on: March 15, 2018, 10:13:06 PM »
Case Western Reserve University apologizes after campus police stop Councilman Kevin Conwell and ask for his ID. https://t.co/9MObLWu9JA
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« Reply #1427 on: March 16, 2018, 12:49:19 AM »
People are out here getting shot and killed by police for no reason and he's making a federal case out of being asked for his ID because he fit a description?  :D


I've been SEARCHED for fitting a description. Where's my trending news articles?

I bet he was more insulted by the fact that the police had never heard of him.
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« Reply #1428 on: March 16, 2018, 09:06:09 AM »
I think he was more insulted by the fact that he was a black man randomly talking to people on campus, and someone thought he was homeless or a bum and called the police. If you can't handle being approached by panhandlers or black city councilmen, I'm sure there's a Utopian rural campus for you.

And yes, a white friend of mine who was driving a crappy car in Pepper Pike was stopped by police for a "vehicle safety check." They were stopped because it wasn't normal to see a crappy car in a wealthy area. But if a person's race is the anomaly, then yes, it's still racism.
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« Reply #1429 on: March 16, 2018, 12:35:27 PM »
No dude, he thinks he's special because he's a council member.

If there wasn't actually a homeless person going around bumming change on campus, he should be mad at the racist person who called the police on him.

Often times, profiling is just part of an officer's job. They have to look out for things that are out of the ordinary.

I doubt the officer assumed he was homeless before asking for his ID. Hell, he was probably wearing a suit. They don't need to apologize for anything.

I usually agree on issues like this. Profiling can go way too far but in this case, I call shinannigans.

Actually, it reminds me of this video:

 

These officers did absolutely NOTHING wrong. In fact, they were being extremely nice and respectful towards her. IMO, this is nothing but a case of how an officer SHOULD do their job.

They pulled her over because they ran her tags and nothing came back. That IS shady. If I were the cop, I'd wonder if it was a counterfeit or old license plate that is no longer in the system.

"What were the tags run for?" Uh... because police randomly run tags all the time. You're the State Attorney, you don't know that?

She has a high position though, so how dare they pull her over for that!

She should just be glad that she's entitled to a free government vehicle that she doesn't even have to pay for. My employer doesn't give me a free car with free license plates.

Since she works for the state government and could actually do something about it, I wonder if she worked to get tags like hers, registered into the database.

These dumb 'profiling' cases are the reason why some people don't take the legitimate cases seriously.
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« Reply #1430 on: March 16, 2018, 12:49:31 PM »

I doubt the officer assumed he was homeless before asking for his ID. Hell, he was probably wearing a suit. They don't need to apologize for anything.



Then what reason did the officer have to ask for his ID?  What was the probable cause?

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« Reply #1431 on: March 16, 2018, 12:53:19 PM »
It sounds like the officer was just responding to a call and he fit a description.

I can't believe that this is what makes the news, in Cleveland. There's probably been 10 cases of far worse profiling in the bad neighborhoods. No one seems to care what goes on over there, though.

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« Reply #1432 on: March 16, 2018, 12:57:16 PM »
It sounds like the officer was just responding to a call and he fit a description.

I can't believe that this is what makes the news, in Cleveland. There's probably been 10 cases of far worse profiling in the bad neighborhoods. No one seems to care what goes on over there, though.

He fit the description of a homeless person?

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« Reply #1433 on: March 16, 2018, 01:13:08 PM »
He obviously doesn't look like a homeless person.

Neither you or I know what the description was. I'm not an expert on their protocol but I'm sure it was a little more detailed than "homeless."

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« Reply #1434 on: March 16, 2018, 01:27:18 PM »
He obviously doesn't look like a homeless person.

Neither you or I know what the description was. I'm not an expert on their protocol but I'm sure it was a little more detailed than "homeless."

A student at Case Western Reserve University contacted the university's police department regarding a man with missing teeth mumbling to himself and approaching students.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/03/case_western_reserve_student_c.html

Conwell does not match that description.  What was the probable cause?  You agree that Conwell doesn't look homeless. 

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Re: Racism
« Reply #1435 on: March 16, 2018, 04:05:33 PM »
He obviously doesn't look like a homeless person.

Neither you or I know what the description was. I'm not an expert on their protocol but I'm sure it was a little more detailed than "homeless."

A student at Case Western Reserve University contacted the university's police department regarding a man with missing teeth mumbling to himself and approaching students.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/03/case_western_reserve_student_c.html

Conwell does not match that description.  What was the probable cause?  You agree that Conwell doesn't look homeless. 


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The caller said the man was black, with missing teeth and wearing a blue hat and tan coat, according to the recording and a police incident report. Conwell did not immediately respond to a call and text message seeking comment after the university released information on the call. 

The dispatcher then sent a police officer to check the area. She gave the officer the description, but did not include that the man had missing teeth. The dispatcher also told the officer the man was harassing students.

The officer got the area about two minutes after being dispatched. He later radioed back that he had located a suspect, presumably Conwell.

The university issued a statement saying that Conwell was wearing a blue hat and a tan coat.

I'm not sure what's being debated here, but thought that context was important.

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Re: Racism
« Reply #1436 on: March 16, 2018, 09:01:22 PM »
so once again, a dispatcher didn't relay important information.  at least a child didn't get murdered this time.

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« Reply #1437 on: March 16, 2018, 09:36:04 PM »
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« Reply #1438 on: March 17, 2018, 03:22:56 AM »
^^ Excuse me, sir, I'm going to need you to smile for me...

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« Reply #1439 on: March 17, 2018, 04:03:33 AM »
He obviously doesn't look like a homeless person.

Neither you or I know what the description was. I'm not an expert on their protocol but I'm sure it was a little more detailed than "homeless."

A student at Case Western Reserve University contacted the university's police department regarding a man with missing teeth mumbling to himself and approaching students.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/03/case_western_reserve_student_c.html

Conwell does not match that description.  What was the probable cause?  You agree that Conwell doesn't look homeless. 


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The caller said the man was black, with missing teeth and wearing a blue hat and tan coat, according to the recording and a police incident report. Conwell did not immediately respond to a call and text message seeking comment after the university released information on the call. 

The dispatcher then sent a police officer to check the area. She gave the officer the description, but did not include that the man had missing teeth. The dispatcher also told the officer the man was harassing students.

The officer got the area about two minutes after being dispatched. He later radioed back that he had located a suspect, presumably Conwell.

The university issued a statement saying that Conwell was wearing a blue hat and a tan coat.

I'm not sure what's being debated here, but thought that context was important.

I know the context; I took the time to click the link and read the article before I spoke.

Me and Freefourur (he'll always be Down4Cle to me) clearly have a difference in opinion here but overall I have mad respect for him and agree with him on more than I differ with him on. That's all I can say.