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« Reply #780 on: January 30, 2018, 01:54:47 PM »
Update on the below quoted 15+High development from today's Dispatch:

Columbus council OKs $2 million in street upgrades beside Ohio State

Columbus will pay for about $2 million in road construction and utility upgrades around a planned development linking Ohio State University with the surrounding neighborhood.  The Columbus City Council approved an agreement on Monday with Campus Partners, Ohio State’s development arm, to reimburse it for the construction.  Half of the $2 million will be used for sanitary-sewer improvements, while the other half will go to road upgrades.
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Ultimately, a new University Plaza reconnecting 14th and 16th avenues is to accompany a private apartment complex.  Edwards Companies is building a six-story, mixed-use development with ground-floor retail, apartments and a parking garage as part of a $28.2 million first phase, expected to be finished this summer.

The project also includes infrastructure changes, such as realigning 15th Avenue to meet High Street at a right angle and opening 16th to High. Infrastructure improvements in the first phase of the project are to cost a total of $11.8 million.  The city will reimburse about $2 million of that, with the rest being funded by Campus Partners.

MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180129/columbus-council-oks-2-million-in-street-upgrades-beside-ohio-state

Campus Partners has released an RFP for the design of WOSU's new HQ in the 15+High development (relocating radio and television studios from the aging Fawcett Center).

Included is a proposed timeline of the development, with design ongoing through 2018, construction starting in March 2019, and completion in December 2020.

The proposed site is at the corner of Pearl Alley and 14th St, one block south of the new University Square.

A conceptual rendering shows how the new building could look from that intersection, approximately from the viewpoint of the entrance to Starbucks.



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Re: Columbus: OSU / University Area Developments and News
« Reply #781 on: February 07, 2018, 05:59:31 PM »
Five University District Developments Set to Open this Summer



Five major developments are scheduled to come online this August in the University District, bringing an additional 531 apartments, 705 parking spaces and a significant amount of new retail space to the High Street and Lane Avenue corridors.

More below:
http://www.columbusunderground.com/five-university-district-developments-set-to-open-this-summer-bw1
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« Reply #782 on: February 12, 2018, 10:53:19 AM »
^I don't see how the Taco Bell project will be finished this fall unless it's mostly pre-fab. They are just beginning to construct walls on the elevated slab.

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« Reply #783 on: February 13, 2018, 02:16:23 PM »
^I don't see how the Taco Bell project will be finished this fall unless it's mostly pre-fab. They are just beginning to construct walls on the elevated slab.

Posted a photo update on this project over in the South Campus Gateway thread:  https://www.urbanohio.com/forum/index.php/topic,9206.msg895004.html#msg895004

The new website for this project says "Move In August 2018", which I agree seems overly optimistic.
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« Reply #784 on: February 13, 2018, 02:16:39 PM »
The Wellington building along High Street between 16th & 17th avenues (and is scheduled to receive an urban Target store) is getting nearly complete on the exterior in this photo posted 2/11/18 at http://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-roundup-short-north-university-district-more-we1:

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« Reply #785 on: March 11, 2018, 02:28:36 PM »
My morning run took me by the Lane and Tuttle project:


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« Reply #786 on: March 11, 2018, 09:33:43 PM »
Does anyone else not remember this project?

https://jbadusa.com/project/st-stevens-apartments/

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« Reply #787 on: March 11, 2018, 10:40:30 PM »
Does anyone else not remember this project?

https://jbadusa.com/project/st-stevens-apartments/

Yeah Ohio State paid them not to build it. Wish they would have paid them to move so OSU could build a better use there.

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« Reply #788 on: March 18, 2018, 05:12:05 PM »
The Dispatch had big Sunday spread about five new off-campus student apartments being built around the Ohio State University - or as the article calls them "swanky student apartments".  The Dispatch Drone makes another appearance to document the new developments in the video below.  The five student apartment projects shown are:
  • The Wellington:  Six-story, 447-bed project at High & 17th with a parking garage and ground floor retail featuring an urban-sized Target store.
  • Wilson Place:  Five-story, 153-bed project at Lane & High that replaced a Shell gas station.  Ground floor retail tenants will include White Castle, Starbucks, Chipotle and CoreLife Eatery.
  • The Point on Lane:  Seven-story, 90-bed project at Lane Avenue and Tuttle Park Place next to the Variety Club with parking and ground-floor retail.
  • Luxe Belle (South Campus Gateway):  Six-story, 95-unit project being built near 9th & High across from the South Campus Gateway on the site of a former Taco Bell.  One of the new ground-floor tenants will be a new Taco Bell.
  • Uncommon Columbus (Weinland Park):  Six-story, 288-bed project being built at 7th & High across a new Columbus Metro Libraries University branch and just north of an urban-style Kroger store.
http://www.dispatch.com/business/20180318/swanky-student-apartments-near-ohio-state-flood-market

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« Reply #789 on: March 18, 2018, 05:12:44 PM »
Here are a few drone views of The Wellington at High & 17th - a six-story, 447-bed project with a parking garage and ground floor retail featuring an urban-sized Target store.

View showing The Wellington along High Street across from the OSU Campus.  The Wellington is directly across from the Wexner Center and Mershon Auditorium.  North along High Street in this image, The View on High that replaced a suburban-style Wendy's is visible.  North of that, the under-construction Wilson Place is visible across from the OSU North Residential District:



Closer view along High Street looking southward:



Overhead view showing the two interior courtyards:
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« Reply #790 on: March 18, 2018, 05:13:20 PM »
Drone view of the Wilson Place project at the southeast corner of Lane & High.  This five-story, 153-bed project replaced a Shell gas station at this corner.  Ground floor retail tenants will include White Castle, Starbucks, Chipotle and CoreLife Eatery.

Wilson Place is across from the recently rebuilt OSU North Residential District:


Looking south down High Street toward downtown:
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« Reply #791 on: March 18, 2018, 05:13:49 PM »
Drone view of The Point on Lane - a seven-story, 90-bed project with parking and ground-floor retail located at Lane Avenue and Tuttle Park Place next to the Variety Club:

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« Reply #792 on: March 19, 2018, 03:17:48 AM »
Loving these drone photos!
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« Reply #793 on: March 19, 2018, 05:01:42 PM »
Ohio State shifts renovation focus to 17th and College



Ohio State University is shifting its attention to 17th Avenue and College Road from 15th Avenue and High Street, planning to renovate the aging buildings around the intersection to better match the campus’ increasingly modern development.

On Friday, Ohio State sent out a request for contractors to study the area, where buildings include the College of Education and Human Ecology, Office of Academic Affairs and College of Arts and Sciences.

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« Reply #794 on: March 19, 2018, 05:34:27 PM »
God they are just killing High Streets character with all this new construction.  And I must be wrong or they wouldn't be building all these new apartments but is the demand really there for these?  They already made sophomores live on campus so that's an entire grade of underclassmen not able to live in these apartments.  On top of that I don't really know why college guys would want to live in these nice new expensive apartments over a normal off campus house.  I graduated from OSU in 2010 and can't imagine wanting to live there.  Give me a house that is cheaper where I can live with multiple friends and host parties over some apartment.  These type of apartments are where I'd want to live post college but not while in undergrad. 

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« Reply #795 on: March 19, 2018, 06:23:38 PM »
God they are just killing High Streets character with all this new construction.  And I must be wrong or they wouldn't be building all these new apartments but is the demand really there for these?  They already made sophomores live on campus so that's an entire grade of underclassmen not able to live in these apartments.  On top of that I don't really know why college guys would want to live in these nice new expensive apartments over a normal off campus house.  I graduated from OSU in 2010 and can't imagine wanting to live there.  Give me a house that is cheaper where I can live with multiple friends and host parties over some apartment.  These type of apartments are where I'd want to live post college but not while in undergrad. 

It is really only happening along High or a block or two east at most. There is still a good quarter mile/half a mile stretch of houses and small apartment buildings stretching east to the railroad tracks. People who want the experience you had or appreciate can still have that, especially with the sophomores living on campus. It is not like much actual housing is being replaced with this new construction on High.

Yes the character of High is changing, just like the character of the city is changing. Change sucks, but this is apparently what quite a number of people want, including the university itself. Not that much different from those who miss the old south campus bar area, or how I miss the Short North being kind of slummy and the Greystone being full of cheap rundown apartments.

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« Reply #796 on: March 19, 2018, 08:34:27 PM »
God they are just killing High Streets character with all this new construction.  And I must be wrong or they wouldn't be building all these new apartments but is the demand really there for these?  They already made sophomores live on campus so that's an entire grade of underclassmen not able to live in these apartments.  On top of that I don't really know why college guys would want to live in these nice new expensive apartments over a normal off campus house.  I graduated from OSU in 2010 and can't imagine wanting to live there.  Give me a house that is cheaper where I can live with multiple friends and host parties over some apartment.  These type of apartments are where I'd want to live post college but not while in undergrad. 

It is really only happening along High or a block or two east at most. There is still a good quarter mile/half a mile stretch of houses and small apartment buildings stretching east to the railroad tracks. People who want the experience you had or appreciate can still have that, especially with the sophomores living on campus. It is not like much actual housing is being replaced with this new construction on High.

Yes the character of High is changing, just like the character of the city is changing. Change sucks, but this is apparently what quite a number of people want, including the university itself. Not that much different from those who miss the old south campus bar area, or how I miss the Short North being kind of slummy and the Greystone being full of cheap rundown apartments.

Also, these developments for the most part are replacing suburban-style fast food restaurants, gas stations, run-down buildings or parcels with inefficient land use. It's not like they're creating a solid wall along High Street (yet...). Plus we are only now catching up to the other universities of similar sizes in terms of offering these style of apartments with these kinds of amenities. Remember there are a lot more than undergrads at Ohio State -- any grad students, med students, etc. who want a nicer place close to campus with all these amenities will definitely be flocking to these apartments. Plus the kids with money whose parents think the University District is unsafe -- guess where they're housing their kid? It is change, but it is necessary and a long time coming. What I will agree on is I hope the local retailers will continue to thrive in the market as it becomes more flooded with national chains that will most definitely fill all of these newer developments.

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« Reply #797 on: March 19, 2018, 09:29:10 PM »
God they are just killing High Streets character with all this new construction.  And I must be wrong or they wouldn't be building all these new apartments but is the demand really there for these?  They already made sophomores live on campus so that's an entire grade of underclassmen not able to live in these apartments.  On top of that I don't really know why college guys would want to live in these nice new expensive apartments over a normal off campus house.  I graduated from OSU in 2010 and can't imagine wanting to live there.  Give me a house that is cheaper where I can live with multiple friends and host parties over some apartment.  These type of apartments are where I'd want to live post college but not while in undergrad. 

It is really only happening along High or a block or two east at most. There is still a good quarter mile/half a mile stretch of houses and small apartment buildings stretching east to the railroad tracks. People who want the experience you had or appreciate can still have that, especially with the sophomores living on campus. It is not like much actual housing is being replaced with this new construction on High.

Yes the character of High is changing, just like the character of the city is changing. Change sucks, but this is apparently what quite a number of people want, including the university itself. Not that much different from those who miss the old south campus bar area, or how I miss the Short North being kind of slummy and the Greystone being full of cheap rundown apartments.

Also, these developments for the most part are replacing suburban-style fast food restaurants, gas stations, run-down buildings or parcels with inefficient land use. It's not like they're creating a solid wall along High Street (yet...). Plus we are only now catching up to the other universities of similar sizes in terms of offering these style of apartments with these kinds of amenities. Remember there are a lot more than undergrads at Ohio State -- any grad students, med students, etc. who want a nicer place close to campus with all these amenities will definitely be flocking to these apartments. Plus the kids with money whose parents think the University District is unsafe -- guess where they're housing their kid? It is change, but it is necessary and a long time coming. What I will agree on is I hope the local retailers will continue to thrive in the market as it becomes more flooded with national chains that will most definitely fill all of these newer developments.

I do understand his concerns about the character of the area. They could do a bit better than giant generic brick boxes like The Wellington. And yes it would be nice to keep or add some local businesses and not just chain stuff. But in another way I kind of think the giant box Wellington is worth it if only for the Urban Target. If only we could get one of those downtown.

This is also part of the whole densification of the old "High Five" idea-building up High from Arcadia down to Greenlawn. If it keeps up through the whole length(especially the northern part) it could lead to some kind of actual mass transit besides a Cota Bus. There are down sides to all of this, but there are upsides as well.

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« Reply #798 on: March 20, 2018, 12:17:34 PM »
Interesting Opinion Piece in OSU's Student Newspaper. I have mixed feelings, I really love the density building up along High Street, it is turning into an urban corridor that is unrivaled anywhere in the Midwest except for Chicago. But the high rents for the new construction is destroying any chance for a thriving neighborhood of independent businesses and it will take decades for these buildings to age enough, be paid off, and become more affordable. They need to have some kind of plan to save at least some of the older buildings. I don't live in the area anymore so I haven't yet seen the extent of the changes of the past 2-3 years with my own eyes and how much has really been lost. I was in town a couple weeks ago but didn't make it North of Fifth Ave.

All Jokes Aside: Ohio State is turning High Street into a suburban shopping plaza
By Ricky Mulvey and Seth Shanley | March 19, 2018

You might have noticed a sprinkle of intensive construction and small-business closures on High Street in the past few years. Well that’s no coincidence, a lot of it is the doing of Campus Partners, the “urban revitalization” fist of The Ohio State University.

Campus Partners aims to create “distinct sense of place” across Ohio State’s campus by gutting student favorites like The O Patio & Pub and Too’s Spirits Under High to make room for a number of expensive apartments, parking garages and chain stores.

Ohio State is basically claiming that another Chipotle, Starbucks and a White Castle will give High Street a “distinct sense of place.” That’s like claiming that “The Fast and The Furious: Tokyo Drift,” “Fast & Furious” and “Fast & Furious 6” have distinct senses of cinema. 

These are just a few of the establishments that will make Ohio State’s campus Columbus’ next Tuttle Mall.

MORE: https://www.thelantern.com/2018/03/all-jokes-aside-ohio-state-is-turning-high-street-into-a-suburban-shopping-plaza/

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« Reply #799 on: March 20, 2018, 01:16:12 PM »
^I can't say I disagree. I commute to work on High St. through campus and over the past 5 years or so most independent retailers have been wiped out. That said, independents have filled in vacant space in Old North Columbus on High as well as Summit and Hudson where rents are lower. I'm hoping 4th St. between 11th and Chittenden will fill in too.

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« Reply #800 on: March 20, 2018, 01:20:50 PM »
^Yeah I posted something to this effect on this board 10 years ago and was hissed at.  Not only for the Gateway at OSU, but for the wiping of McMillan and Calhoun streets at UC. 

All of the big college campuses across America are surrounded by the same mix of national retailers.  The companies who built and own the apartments are often the same, too. 

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« Reply #801 on: March 20, 2018, 01:36:16 PM »
From the article:

"Campus Partners is modernizing High Street without regard for the small businesses that create campus culture, and that’s a shame for future students."  This is  shame. They really should try to have a bit of diversity among the businesses.  Why does the university not get this?

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« Reply #802 on: March 20, 2018, 01:38:31 PM »
If you guys have ever read Jane Jacobs she talked about when neighborhood became a victim of its own success, rents went up too much, and only "banks" and other corporate establishments could afford to be there. Then all the funky fun stuff that made the neighborhood popular in the first place all goes away. She also talked about old buildings as essential for a diverse neighborhood. It's amazing she predicted this stuff in 1960s New York, because it has played out almost exactly like she said it would across many cities, decades later. OSU's student body at least will guarantee the neighborhood will continue to have some level of socioeconomic diversity in its residents, which is disappearing in Manhattan and other highly gentrified places.

^I can't say I disagree. I commute to work on High St. through campus and over the past 5 years or so most independent retailers have been wiped out. That said, independents have filled in vacant space in Old North Columbus on High as well as Summit and Hudson where rents are lower. I'm hoping 4th St. between 11th and Chittenden will fill in too.

Yes, the area would do well to develop other retail corridors besides High Street, 4th being the most promising. Old North is great too.

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« Reply #803 on: March 20, 2018, 01:44:04 PM »
Older buildings tend to not have large enough commercial storefronts for chains.  The leases that chains sign are much more lucrative for property owners than are spirit shops.

In Cincinnati...the cut-off of Short Vine caused rents to plummet and that's how the place ended up in the 90s with its wildly eclectic storefronts.  Recently big money showed back up and now it's being overrun by local chains.  People now can't imagine how it used to be.  The only "funky" places remaining are the ones who owned their buildings -- The Cupboard, Mike's Music, and Daniel's. 

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« Reply #804 on: March 20, 2018, 01:52:59 PM »
When you fill a campus with chains you change the students' spending patterns for life. College is often the first time a young person is exposed to a lot of small business in one place, especially since a lot of our small towns got chained in the '90s when the students were born. It's the same thing as Gen Xers that got fed all those Happy Meals in the '80s and still eat McDs 3 times a week.

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« Reply #805 on: March 20, 2018, 02:10:32 PM »
OU has zero chains in the town other than a Chipotle and a Wendy's.  Everything else is independent and locally-owned. 

It's a real shame about Too's.  I only went there once and I was pursued by a OSU girl in a head-to-toe leopard-skin getup. 

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« Reply #806 on: March 20, 2018, 02:16:29 PM »
Do you just mean Court St? Athens has Ruby Tuesday's and a bunch of other casual dining stuff out on E. State, in Oxford we don't even have so much as an Applebee's.   ;D

I remember discussion in Oxford and I assume in other college towns about counting the students in the population for census data and if that would benefit the towns, but really they are probably better off without it.

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« Reply #807 on: March 20, 2018, 03:34:49 PM »
Don't feel so bad about Too's, they were only displaced above ground a few blocks north and are now known as "Three's"

Same with one of my other favorites, Used Kids, which is now in a larger spot and the anchor of a budding commercial strip of local businesses at Summit and Hudson

As an OSU alum, I definitely understand the nostalgic handwringing that "the kids these days" won't get the same experience that I had, but the fact is most of the new buildings we've seen on campus lately are replacing things no one should really miss. A perennially overpriced Shell station, two suburban style Wendy's, a former CVS turned Dollar Tree, a drive-thru Taco Bell, etc. Sure, mostly chains will take their place, but most were chains before to begin with, and the new buildings offer at least triple the number of storefronts, in an appropriately urban format, along with 4 or 5 stories of apartments on top. Not a bad trade-off and pretty much the farthest thing imaginable from creating "a suburban shopping plaza"

The 15th/High district is legitimately a bit more contentious, and I wish there had been some historic preservation of the Wellington and neighboring buildings. Aside from that one piece (and Mama's Pasta and Brew), again what has been wiped out? Kinko's, Huntington, PNC, Jimmy John's, and Charley's Subs. Long's and SBX would be dead anyway thanks to the internet. I don't think the majority of what has or will be redeveloped actually added much character to the area other than the memories we all had there

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« Reply #808 on: March 20, 2018, 03:51:31 PM »
Too's was in a cinder-block basement.  Bernie's was also in a basement.  New buildings don't have basement commercial spaces.  That's where oddball small businesses like skateboard shops and the like can operate. 

When I was a kid, we had an old circa-1950 strip mall in our neighborhood that had basements under each store.  One of them had a karate school and another one was a big slot car racing place with three big slot car racing tracks.  I went to driving school in yet another basement space in that strip mall. 

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« Reply #809 on: March 20, 2018, 04:15:24 PM »
Too's was in a cinder-block basement.  Bernie's was also in a basement.  New buildings don't have basement commercial spaces.  That's where oddball small businesses like skateboard shops and the like can operate. 

When I was a kid, we had an old circa-1950 strip mall in our neighborhood that had basements under each store.  One of them had a karate school and another one was a big slot car racing place with three big slot car racing tracks.  I went to driving school in yet another basement space in that strip mall. 

This is definitely true. One of my favorite buildings that was demo-ed for the original South Campus Gateway was a two level retail building at 11th and High with stores below grade and above. A very particular type of structure which seems to have only had a brief life in American cities from the 50s to the early 90s. Aside from the obvious ADA limitations and requirements which discourage them in general, I think poor cell service in basements also makes them less desirable these days. People get very anxious and don't want to hang out for periods of time anywhere they can't be reliably connected

Used Kids actually used to be in the basement of what's now the Pita Pit and Sbarro (with some very treacherous steps to get down below), but when the building was renovated circa 2008 the basement space was just totally sealed off like it never existed