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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1350 on: November 17, 2017, 10:05:34 AM »
Crew season ticket push began as MLS lobbyist emailed Austin officials about 'unbelievable opportunity'

On Aug. 3, Columbus Crew SC season ticket holders got a "save the date" email to drum up interest for "priority list" 2018 packages.

What they weren't told was that 2018 could be the team's last year in town.

Six days later, Richard Suttle, a registered lobbyist for Major League Soccer in Austin, Texas, was sending emails to Austin City Council members.

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https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2017/11/16/crew-season-ticket-push-began-asmls-lobbyist.html

Crew fans don't need any more reasons to despise Precourt and his MLS enablers.  But if they did, this would certainly do it!

That's some good reporting from the Austin media and Columbus Business First to expose some shady af business dealings from MLS and an unbelievable stab-in-the-back to Crew season ticket holders!
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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1351 on: November 17, 2017, 10:28:29 AM »
If anyone is down because of the Wednesday meeting between Precourt/Garber (PSV/MLS) and Ginther/Fischer (City/Partnership), don't be.  This ain't over.  Here are two explanations why.  First from Tim Myers, author of the 'What's The Truth' report on Crew management that was posted previously at https://www.urbanohio.com/forum/index.php?topic=13478.msg880459#msg880459:

From https://twitter.com/timmyers15/status/931209537989771264


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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1352 on: November 17, 2017, 10:28:48 AM »
And from Morgan Hughes, one of the leaders of the #SaveTheCrew movement:

From https://twitter.com/Morgan_Hughes/status/930946171723534336


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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1353 on: November 18, 2017, 09:32:19 AM »
Still no Eastern Conference Finals game this weekend!  But the Crew TIFOSWEAT squad are preparing a new tifo for Tuesday's Massive game at Mapfre.  I wonder what it will be?

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« Reply #1354 on: November 18, 2017, 09:32:42 AM »
However, if the TIFOSWEAT squad wanted to bring back this blast from the past - it would be appropriate!!!

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« Reply #1355 on: November 19, 2017, 02:26:16 PM »
Today's not Thanksgiving Day.  But there are still a few things that I'm thankful for on this Sunday before Thanksgiving (and the Sunday before Tuesday's home playoff game in Columbus).  Namely, that some of U.S. Soccer's biggest names are speaking out about the #SaveTheCrew movement:



-- Christian Pulisic in his Players Tribune piece: https://www.theplayerstribune.com/christian-pulisic-usmnt-world-cup/

"You look at ... what’s happening with the movement to try to save soccer in Columbus — and it’s inspiring."



-- Landon Donovan on his twitter feed: https://twitter.com/landondonovan/status/927331404697911297





-- Grant Wahl in the Sports Illustrated print edition: https://twitter.com/GrantWahl/status/930622061222952960

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1356 on: November 21, 2017, 09:26:25 AM »
http://www.dispatch.com/news/20171120/columbus-foundation-ceo-pitching-stadium-plan-to-keep-crew

The Columbus Foundation is making its pitch to #SaveTheCrew by proposing a plan for a new downtown stadium.

http://radio.wosu.org/post/new-columbus-crew-stadium-proposal-draws-immediate-skepticism#stream/0

Some of the ideas in the proposal about how to raise the funds drew immediate skepticism.  Still, the CEO of The Columbus Foundation said the goal of putting the proposal out there now is to get the dialogue going and to show the national media at today's playoff game that there are ideas out there to save the team.

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1357 on: November 21, 2017, 02:34:50 PM »
New Soccer Stadium Proposed in Downtown Columbus

While talks between City leaders and Columbus Crew SC ownership have stalled out, leadership at The Columbus Foundation has reignited efforts to keep the soccer team playing in Columbus for years to come. A preliminary plan to develop “Spirit Park” was unveiled yesterday, which outlines a multipurpose facility that would bring a new soccer arena (and more) to Downtown Columbus.

“We are a smart and open community, and, when challenged, it is best if we show ourselves at our best, our most creative, our most understanding,” stated Columbus Foundation CEO Doug Kridler in an open letter published yesterday. “In addition to the necessary frank and tough talk that is happening right now, I believe progress on this issue will be aided through positive idea generation and the invitation for many hands to help build a sustainable solution.”

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1358 on: November 21, 2017, 02:54:19 PM »
Well it would take a lot to get this going, but I am not against the idea of it. It would only involve the extension of an existing tax and not a new one. But of course the county commissioners have to immediately say 'no' to that. This would be good for activating that area of downtown and drawing the Neighborhood Launch node(which is already creeping north)farther up to this area. The commissioner could have at least kept his damn mouth shut for now given the timing and all IMO.

It would just be a lot easier to sell to the public with the extension of something that is already in effect rather than 'brand new taxes'.  The city and the business community should be coming together to fight for the Crew along with the fans. I have never been a supporter of teams holding cities hostage over new stadiums, but this seems to be a reasonable accommodation(realizing that it is all just a thrown together idea that has not been properly fleshed out yet).

Ideally the city or some other entities should try to buy the team and pry it out of the hands of the lying scheming plotting Precourt.
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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1359 on: November 21, 2017, 02:59:58 PM »
http://www.dispatch.com/news/20171120/columbus-foundation-ceo-pitching-stadium-plan-to-keep-crew

The Columbus Foundation is making its pitch to #SaveTheCrew by proposing a plan for a new downtown stadium.

http://radio.wosu.org/post/new-columbus-crew-stadium-proposal-draws-immediate-skepticism#stream/0

Some of the ideas in the proposal about how to raise the funds drew immediate skepticism.  Still, the CEO of The Columbus Foundation said the goal of putting the proposal out there now is to get the dialogue going and to show the national media at today's playoff game that there are ideas out there to save the team.

I still think the 560 W. Nationwide Boulevard site - detailed at https://www.urbanohio.com/forum/index.php/topic,7699.msg824545.html#msg824545 - is the more likely downtown location for a new Crew Stadium.  Mostly because the site is prepped for development and owner by NRI, who should be a willing seller/partner.

But I've heard about this Abbott-owned location before.  And I'd love to see exactly what the Columbus Foundation has proposed there, planning-wise.  In many ways, this site would be a greater improvement and would have more spin-off developments then NRI's 560 W. Nationwide Boulevard site.  Ultimately, even if this Abbott site doesn't go forward, I agree that its well-timed for today's playoff game to get a dialogue going and show the national media that Columbus does want to save the Crew - even beyond the amazing #SaveTheCrew movement.
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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1360 on: November 21, 2017, 03:00:35 PM »
-- The Columbus Foundation's twitter post about this downtown stadium proposal:  https://twitter.com/colsfoundation/status/932741324641587200

-- PDF of the Columbus Foundation proposal:  https://www.columbusfoundation.org/umbraco-media/4184/spirit-park-proposal.pdf



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« Reply #1361 on: November 21, 2017, 03:22:53 PM »
http://www.dispatch.com/news/20171120/columbus-foundation-ceo-pitching-stadium-plan-to-keep-crew

The Columbus Foundation is making its pitch to #SaveTheCrew by proposing a plan for a new downtown stadium.

http://radio.wosu.org/post/new-columbus-crew-stadium-proposal-draws-immediate-skepticism#stream/0

Some of the ideas in the proposal about how to raise the funds drew immediate skepticism.  Still, the CEO of The Columbus Foundation said the goal of putting the proposal out there now is to get the dialogue going and to show the national media at today's playoff game that there are ideas out there to save the team.

I still think the 560 W. Nationwide Boulevard site - detailed at https://www.urbanohio.com/forum/index.php/topic,7699.msg824545.html#msg824545 - is the more likely downtown location for a new Crew Stadium.  Mostly because the site is prepped for development and owner by NRI, who should be a willing seller/partner.

But I've heard about this Abbott-owned location before.  And I'd love to see exactly what the Columbus Foundation has proposed there, planning-wise.  In many ways, this site would be a greater improvement and would have more spin-off developments then NRI's 560 W. Nationwide Boulevard site.  Ultimately, even if this Abbott site doesn't go forward, I agree that its well-timed for today's playoff game to get a dialogue going and show the national media that Columbus does want to save the Crew - even beyond the amazing #SaveTheCrew movement.

I would be thrilled with either site, but I think this site has a couple positives that the W. Nationwide site doesn't have.

This site seems like it would be much more accessible from the highways given it's proximity to 3rd, 4th, and Spring Streets. Pregame and Postgame traffic would probably flow much better with this location. The W. Nationwide site is located at a dead and would probably take much more infrastructure work to make feasible than this location would.

Also, as you mentioned, this could also be a great way to encourage more development in this area of downtown. Being able to connect Columbus State to the Arena District would be great for the CSCC and the city.

I think this current plan, as it stands, is a long shot but the fact that we have powerful people willing to step out with a plan like this is a promising sign.

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1362 on: November 21, 2017, 07:31:01 PM »
Whether it was intentional or not, I think including Columbus State and a Children's Theatre and cultural center in the 'Abbot-Ross' proposal was a good move-opposition can be made to seem like they are not only anti-Crew and anti-Education, but also 'anti children' as well lol.

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« Reply #1363 on: November 21, 2017, 08:52:08 PM »
So now it is a 'mistake' for a number of reasons.

http://www.columbusunderground.com/downtown-soccer-arena-proposal-labeled-a-mistake

Well we know about the tax part, but what are the other reasons? Will be interesting to know-if we find out. What a sense of resignation to defeat in that response. :(

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1364 on: November 21, 2017, 10:36:55 PM »
There must have been some shitkiller provision in it that messed everything up.

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« Reply #1365 on: November 22, 2017, 08:42:04 AM »
There must have been some shitkiller provision in it that messed everything up.
Apparently Abbot 'needs' that nearly vacant land and will not sell.

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1366 on: November 22, 2017, 09:59:05 AM »
Crew came really close to winning last night.

Aw well.....next week they get another shot.

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1367 on: November 22, 2017, 10:54:08 AM »
Sellout crowd provides raucous atmosphere for Crew SC playoffs at Mapfre Stadium

Columbus got a look at what a sellout crowd can bring to the atmosphere of a soccer match on Tuesday as Columbus Crew SC hosted Toronto FC during the opening leg of the Eastern Conference Championship at Mapfre Stadium.

The official attendance was 21,289 for the game, which finished in a 0-0 tie, sending the two-leg championship series to Toronto's BMO Field for the deciding contest next Wednesday, Nov. 29.

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1368 on: November 24, 2017, 02:28:15 PM »
Crew came really close to winning last night.

Aw well.....next week they get another shot.

It would have been better if the Crew could've gotten one of those second half chances into the back of the net.  But on the other hand, they didn't have any defensive mess-ups and prevented Toronto from getting a road goal.  So the Crew aren't in a bad position going up to Toronto.  Below is the scoring chart for game #2.  If game #2 ends 0-0, then its extra time.  If the Crew win or tie (other than 0-0), they advance to MLS Cup.  If Toronto wins, they advance to MLS Cup.

The most difficult part of next week's game is that Toronto gets Giovinco and Altidore back from their suspensions and the Crew lost Artur to a yellow-card suspension for the match.  However, its likely to be a more open-style match, since Toronto won't be defensively "parking the bus" like they did in Columbus.  And the Crew tend to play better when its an open-style match.  So it's a fairly equal chance with a slight edge to Toronto next week.

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1369 on: November 24, 2017, 04:44:04 PM »
Crew came really close to winning last night.

Aw well.....next week they get another shot.

It would have been better if the Crew could've gotten one of those second half chances into the back of the net.  But on the other hand, they didn't have any defensive mess-ups and prevented Toronto from getting a road goal.  So the Crew aren't in a bad position going up to Toronto.  Below is the scoring chart for game #2.  If game #2 ends 0-0, then its extra time.  If the Crew win or tie (other than 0-0), they advance to MLS Cup.  If Toronto wins, they advance to MLS Cup.

The most difficult part of next week's game is that Toronto gets Giovinco and Altidore back from their suspensions and the Crew lost Artur to a yellow-card suspension for the match.  However, its likely to be a more open-style match, since Toronto won't be defensively "parking the bus" like they did in Columbus.  And the Crew tend to play better when its an open-style match.  So it's a fairly equal chance with a slight edge to Toronto next week.



The next game should much more exciting for neutrals watching game, and very nerve-wracking for the fans of either game.

It's definitely going to be an open game. Toronto is going to be much more comfortable going forward which should open them up at the back. Keeping Giovinco and Altidore scoreless will be next to impossible, but I'm fairly confident we can manage at least one goal.

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1370 on: November 30, 2017, 10:42:23 AM »
Heartbreaking 1-0 loss in the second game of the Eastern Conference Final at Toronto last night.  The Crew came mere inches short of getting a late game goal that would have advanced them into another MLS Cup.  Here's the late game chance they had in the 87th minute:

Justin Meram drives a crossing pass from the corner.  The three Crew players lined up at the edge of the 6-yard box are Ola Kamara, Josh Williams and Adam Jahn (left to right):


Adam Jahn makes a diving stab at a header, but instead it goes through the box:


The ball looks like it will land at the feet of Ola Kamara (our leading goal scorer!)


But instead it goes through the legs of Kamara!!!!!



Here is another angle of just how close it was for the Crew.  That miss was the difference between Columbus advancing to the MLS Cup and Toronto advancing to the MLS Cup!!!
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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1371 on: November 30, 2017, 10:48:53 AM »
That was such a missed opportunity. Unbelievable! We had a good crowd watching up in Cleveland, all understandably down after this close game.

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1372 on: December 06, 2017, 04:32:29 PM »
State legislator to ask Ohio Attorney General to sue to keep Crew SC in town

State Rep. Mike Duffey says he plans to ask Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine to consider legal action to keep Columbus Crew SC from leaving town.

Duffey, a Republican from Worthington, said there's a case to be made based on Ohio Revised Code 9.67 that came about after Art Modell moved the Cleveland National Football League franchise to Baltimore.

The law stipulates that the owner of any professional sports team using a tax-supported facility and receiving public financial assistance can't relocate without approval from the public entity giving it support or without giving six months' notice to give investors a chance to buy the team.

In essence, Duffey said the Columbus Crew has been the beneficiary of taxpayer money, including that the facility is located on state land that's been leased below market rate.

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1373 on: December 06, 2017, 04:38:48 PM »
^The problem, is that Crew could likely announce the move with more than 6 months before the official move, decline all offers to buy the team, and then they would have satisfied the requirements. Though I'm not a lawyer, this seems like a pretty easy law to get out of.

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« Reply #1374 on: December 07, 2017, 12:25:07 AM »
Lawyers say untested 'Browns' law could hinder Crew SC move



Legal action based on an obscure Ohio law to keep Columbus Crew SC from leaving town would be unprecedented but could deal a blow to Precourt Sports Ventures' Texas two-step.

I reached to some local attorneys Wednesday after state Rep. Mike Duffey, R-Worthington, said he planned to ask Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine to see if a section of the Ohio Revised Code dealing with sports franchise moves could be used to stop Precourt from moving the team to Austin, Texas.

Gerrod Bede, an attorney and litigator with James E. Arnold & Associates LPA in Columbus, said the request could throw a curveball into the onging saga surrounding the team.

"The statute has never been interpreted," Bede said. "It might actually allow the city or 'political subdivision' to pursue an injunction to prevent the team from moving."

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1375 on: December 07, 2017, 10:44:42 AM »
But wasn't the stadium built with private money and isn't it owned by Precourt?

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1376 on: December 07, 2017, 10:50:06 AM »
Privately owned structure on leased, public land.

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« Reply #1377 on: December 07, 2017, 11:25:02 AM »
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« Reply #1378 on: December 07, 2017, 11:29:44 AM »
^ This seems like a poor case to test this law. Compare with Browns or Bengals where both clubs lease the publicly owned stadium that was constructed primarily with public dolllars and the teams had very limited skin in the game.

In CBUS, the city gave a ground lease for the stadium that was built privately. Not much different than an office tower in the CBD.

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« Reply #1379 on: December 07, 2017, 11:37:13 AM »
^ This seems like a poor case to test this law. Compare with Browns or Bengals where both clubs lease the publicly owned stadium that was constructed primarily with public dolllars and the teams had very limited skin in the game.

In CBUS, the city gave a ground lease for the stadium that was built privately. Not much different than an office tower in the CBD.

Should be a good test case for the state - which is what State Rep. Duffey is asking for - because it is State of Ohio owned land, not city-owned land.  Crew/Mapfre Stadium was built on excess State Fairgrounds land.
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