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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1321 on: November 09, 2017, 11:22:40 AM »
^ For those non-subscribers who can't view this article, here's an excerpt:


Columbus Partnership CEO hopes Crew meeting brings answers
By Andrew Erickson and Rick Rouan, The Columbus Dispatch
Posted: Nov 8, 2017 at 5:14 PM - Updated: Nov 9 at 6:41 AM


Columbus Partnership CEO Alex Fischer said during a Wednesday lunch-hour interview in front of about 50 chamber members at the New Albany Country Club that Crew investor-operator Anthony Precourt turned down an offer to purchase all or part of the team that would have given him “a great profit on his investment.” ... Local investors, though, are more concerned with keeping the team as a community asset than on making money, he said.  “I’m not sure the MLS wants that,” he said. “I’m afraid the league is becoming like the NFL: billionaires trying to make a buck.”

Fischer and Mayor Andrew J. Ginther are scheduled to meet with Precourt and MLS Commissioner Don Garber on Nov. 15.  Fischer expressed frustration with MLS and Precourt ... but he said he still wants to make a deal to keep the Crew here.  Fischer said he wants the two sides to “align interests” at the meeting.  Local officials have said they don’t know what Columbus needs to do to keep the team, and Fischer said Wednesday that he hopes that will become clear during the meeting next week.

“We don’t want to be pitching ideas until we understand directly what the problems are,” he said. “I think the discussion starts off with both sides saying what the needs are. If they say the needs are X, Y and Z it’s from there that we determine whether there are opportunities.” ... “I can’t imagine we go into the meeting and come out with some magical solution,” he said. “I think undoubtedly any solution is going to take many, many meetings and lots of time and effort. To me, this is a starting point.”

MORE:  http://www.dispatch.com/news/20171108/columbus-partnership-ceo-hopes-crew-meeting-brings-answers
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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1322 on: November 10, 2017, 11:58:49 AM »
Caught this via the excellent #SaveTheCrew website.  This Seattle-based podcast focused its entire episode on the Columbus Crew situation and the #SaveTheCrew movement.  There is some salty language - so its definitely NSFW - but its a really good deep dive into the history of relocation in MLS and why this proposed Columbus Crew relocation is so different.

Below is the podcast link.  They don't get to the Crew/MLS talk until the 9th minute and Alexis from Columbus (aka @NordeckeNanny) gets interviewed at around the 53th minute:

PODCAST LINK:  http://handsfreefootball.com/2017/11/06/ep-64-savethecrew/

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1323 on: November 10, 2017, 12:09:10 PM »
Also caught this via https://savethecrew.com/.  Since the MLS Playoffs don't play this weekend (thanks international friendly window) the #SaveTheCrew movement has something to keep them busy:



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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1324 on: November 11, 2017, 04:13:42 PM »
#SaveTheCrew + OSU Football Saturday  ;D





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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1325 on: November 12, 2017, 04:07:16 PM »
Article below from the Massive Report about a resolution passed by Austin City Council to identify MLS stadium sites for Precourt Sports Ventures:

https://www.massivereport.com/2017/11/10/16632876/twitter-reacts-precourt-sports-ventures-meets-with-austin-leadership-thursday-2017
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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1326 on: November 12, 2017, 04:07:59 PM »
^ The Massive Report article detailed a Thursday night Austin City Council meeting attended by a Precourt Sports Ventures lawyer.  However, this city council resolution is more formality than big news at this point - as it basically confirms PSV's intent to relocate the Crew to Austin and Austin's intent to identify potential stadium sites and get back to them for future decisions.

However, the more interesting part in the reporting of the Austin City Council meeting is an emerging theme since PSV's announcement of their intent to move the Crew.  That theme being the growing ineptness of the "professionals" at PSV.  Here were a few examples from Thursday night's Austin council meeting:

1) Since the October 17th announcement, PSV officials, such as PSV President Dave Greeley have been criss-crossing Austin trying to gin up support.  Many of Greeley's statements, as reported on the #SaveTheCrew website and twitter feed, have come back to bite him.  Such as this one:



That image is from a #SaveTheCrew rally held in front of Columbus City Hall only a few days after the PSV's Oct. 17 announcement.  The #SaveTheCrew movement only had a few days to organize this rally for MLS' Decision Day Sunday on 10/22.  But they got 2,000 attendees, multiple speakers, a large #SaveTheCrew banner to be signed by those attending the rally and used in later events, and a ton of media coverage.

PSV had over two weeks to organize a gathering outside Austin City Hall to show support for MLS in Austin at Thursday's resolution vote.  And this was their attendance:



This report showing a "decent-sized crowd" at Austin was widely mocked on twitter:






Two thousand at the #SaveTheCrew rally versus two dozen at the PSV-sponsored MLS2ATX rally - which also did not go unmocked by the twitterverse:

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1327 on: November 12, 2017, 04:08:32 PM »
2) Speaking of MLS2ATX, which is a website and twitter address owned and operated by Precourt Sports Ventures to gin up support for MLS in Austin.  That it is an astroturfing campaign by PSV to show supposed "grassroots support" for MLS in Austin has been previously reported and is well known to those following PSV's actions.  --  That the "professionals" at PSV are so bad at hiding this, is quite surprising however.  Another example from Thursday where MLS2ATX is replying to an Austin local who wanted a free t-shirt:



On multiple Thursday tweets, the MLS2ATX account was recorded as tweeting from Columbus(!) - since apparently these savvy PSV pros failed to turn off their location identifier!  Something that the soccer twitterverse did not miss:

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1328 on: November 12, 2017, 04:09:00 PM »
3) And then there was this bone-headed statement from the lawyer representing PSV at the Austin council meeting:



Although it may have been an open secret that PSV was avoiding the MLS expansion process (and the $150 million expansion fee) by purchasing the Crew for $68 million in 2013 - PSV probably doesn't want their lawyer admitting this - on the record - in a public setting!!!  Particularly since you've got 12 cities spending money to go though this MLS expansion process with the understanding that this was the only way to obtain an MLS team!!!  Particularly since you've got neighboring San Antonio as one of those 12 cities that PSV, Austin and MLS are "cutting in front of" with this proposed relocation!!!

Or, as this twitter response put it:


And there's even some in Austin that are beginning to doubt whether Precourt is the right owner for an Austin MLS team:
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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1329 on: November 12, 2017, 04:09:14 PM »
All of this Precourt/PSV buffoonery is just stoking the #SaveTheCrew movement.  Comparing how the volunteers of #SaveTheCrew are acting more savvy and professional than the paid professionals in Precourt Sports Ventures is amazing.  This is still an uphill battle.  But it is a battle that more and more people in Columbus, throughout MLS and the rest of the soccer world feel is worth fighting:

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1330 on: November 13, 2017, 04:00:51 PM »
BrewDog wants to buy the Crew and sell it back to the fans

A Scotland-based brewery is pulling out all the stops to keep the Columbus Crew SC from leaving town.

BrewDog Plc, which calls Canal Winchester its American home, has all kinds of experience with crowdfunding and wants to use that model to buy the Crew and sell some of it back to fans.

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1331 on: November 13, 2017, 04:58:51 PM »
^MLS doesn't allow fan-owned teams, though. I believe a single owner worth $X must own a majority of every team. And most professional sports leagues in the US have this rule. The only exception is the Green Bay Packers who are grandfathered in.

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1332 on: November 13, 2017, 04:58:52 PM »
It's hard to say whether MLS would permit such an ownership model but its extremely impressive and even promising that BrewDogs prepared to get involved in a game changing way. I would just be happy to have such community and fan oriented stakeholders steering our team.

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« Reply #1333 on: November 14, 2017, 09:33:02 AM »
It's hard to say whether MLS would permit such an ownership model but its extremely impressive and even promising that BrewDogs prepared to get involved in a game changing way. I would just be happy to have such community and fan oriented stakeholders steering our team.

Couldn't agree more.  As surprising as BrewDog's offer is, it is in keeping with the way their company operates.  Community-minded and disruptive.  The BrewDog company slogan is "We Blow (Stuff) Up"!  It might get shot down by MLS commish Don Garber (aka @thesoccerdon on twitter), but with BrewDog's track record, I wouldn't bet against them.
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« Reply #1334 on: November 14, 2017, 09:33:35 AM »
The BrewDog offer also reminded me of some more Precourt/PSV buffoonery that got mocked.  I think it was PSV President/Flunkie Dave Greeley who said that soccer fans should "respect their ambition" in moving the Crew to Austin.  That got the #SaveTheCrew treatment during the Halloween night playoff game in Columbus:

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1335 on: November 14, 2017, 10:57:39 AM »
Where was all this enthusiasm for the team when attendance was second worst in the league?

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« Reply #1336 on: November 14, 2017, 11:13:15 AM »
I think there's also hope that it would mean a new stadium Downtown/AD rather than being out in the DUI zone like it is currently.

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« Reply #1337 on: November 14, 2017, 11:22:03 AM »
Where was all this enthusiasm for the team when attendance was second worst in the league?

There was always enthusiasm for the Columbus Crew.  The regular season attendance this year was 15,439 - https://soccerstadiumdigest.com/2017-mls-attendance/ - which is ahead of Colorado and FC Dallas for third worst in the league, but is also over 77% of Mapfre Stadium capacity.  The attendance took a hit in the early 2010's when the team record was at a low ebb.  But it rebounded and has been steadily over the 16,000 mark since 2013.

But this isn't about the Crew's attendance.  That's a red herring.  This is about MLS salivating over the attendance numbers that Seattle and Atlanta are generating in their NFL football stadiums.  MLS commish Garber thinks that every franchise should be getting those numbers.  He doesn't care that the Columbus Crew was a founding team of MLS, that Columbus fans supported MLS when many other cities couldn't give a damn, or that Columbus led the way to building soccer-specific stadiums that helped the financial viability of MLS.  He doesn't care that Columbus helped build MLS!

MLS commish Garber and his California carpetbagger Precourt are just another in a long line of people that has underestimated Columbus.  I will say that Columbus has taken the Crew for granted.  Much like Cincinnati likely takes the Reds and Bengals for granted, much like Cleveland likely takes the Indians, Cavs and Browns for granted, much like many other cities have taken their teams for granted - because they thought they'd be around through the up years and down years.  But no more!  The enthusiasm of the hard-core supporters is being added to with this #SaveTheCrew movement!!!
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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1338 on: November 15, 2017, 10:16:26 AM »
An update and expansion of the BrewDog business support story to keep the Crew in Columbus:

Area businesses joining to help keep Crew in Columbus
By JD Malone / Gatehouse Media Ohio
Posted: Nov 14, 2017 at 8:45 PM
   

There might be some bite behind Save the Crew’s bark.  James Watt, the co-founder and CEO of BrewDog, wants to help buy the Columbus Crew, which owner/investor Anthony Precourt is looking to possibly relocate to Austin, Texas.

As always with BrewDog, there’s an interesting twist.  “We would love to facilitate and be involved in a potential purchase of the Columbus Crew from its current ownership structure,” Watt wrote in a blog post on the company’s website recently, “and then immediately look to sell at least half of it back to the fans through crowdfunding.”

Watt’s gesture is the latest in what Morgan Hughes, a spokesman for the Save the Crew effort, called a correction of the narrative told by Precourt and Major League Soccer of the city’s corporate apathy toward the team.  At www.savethecrew.com, 90 businesses have given their support.

“Every day there is a new thing that proves that wrong,” Hughes said.  “It has been heartwarming and exciting to see the support that we are getting from every corner of the world and every industry inside and outside of Columbus. This thing is massive and we are going to fight for what is right.”

MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/zz/news/20171114/area-businesses-joining-to-help-keep-crew-in-columbus
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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1339 on: November 15, 2017, 12:20:28 PM »
I am constantly surprised and amazed by the resources of the #SaveTheCrew movement.  This well-documented and well-researched report makes a pretty good case that Precourt/PSV and MLS actively worked to make the Crew's 2017 attendance as low as possible, for the following reason:



What's the Truth report:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hJHhTQol1RbNkvjQWpk2kruY8kwVRbGN/view

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1340 on: November 15, 2017, 12:20:52 PM »
Part of the twitter conversation about the What's the Truth report from the previous post at https://twitter.com/davisjsn/status/930815361901002752

And here's the report author's twitter feed with much more conversation:  https://twitter.com/timmyers15/status/930609369984786432

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« Reply #1341 on: November 16, 2017, 10:00:24 AM »
Report from the Dispatch on yesterday's meeting between city/business leaders and Precourt/MLS commish Garber in NYC:


City officials ‘disappointed and frustrated’ after meeting with MLS
By Andrew Erickson, The Columbus Dispatch
Posted: Nov 15, 2017 at 6:48 PM

     
Columbus Mayor Andrew J. Ginther and Columbus Partnership CEO Alex Fischer entered a meeting Wednesday in New York with Major League Soccer commissioner Don Garber and Columbus Crew SC investor-operator Anthony Precourt hoping to align interests and find out what it might take to keep the MLS team in central Ohio.

Both sides left the meeting frustrated.

In a joint statement Wednesday night, Ginther and Fischer said the league and Crew ownership “did not come to the meeting willing to commit to staying in Columbus.”  “We know this is heartbreaking for the dedicated fans in Columbus and across the country who have shown unwavering support for the Columbus Crew SC,” the statement read in part.

Ginther and Fischer said Wednesday they were “united in putting all options on the table with the expectation that PSV would cease its pursuit of a potential relocation to Austin.”  “Great American cities do not get into bidding wars over sports teams to benefit private owners,” the statement said. “Garber and Precourt were not willing to do that.”

Ginther and Fischer said once MLS and Precourt commit to Columbus, “We stand ready, willing and able to support the team’s success.”

MORE:  http://www.dispatch.com/sports/20171115/crew-sc--city-officials-disappointed-and-frustrated-after-meeting-with-mls
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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1342 on: November 16, 2017, 10:00:39 AM »
Commentary from Dispatch sports columnist on yesterday's report about the meeting between city/business leaders and Precourt/MLS commish Garber in NYC:


Crew fans are doing themselves proud
By Michael Arace, The Columbus Dispatch
Posted: Nov 15, 2017 at 8:49 PM


Crew players are gearing up to meet Toronto FC in the first leg of MLS’ Eastern Conference finals at Mapfre Stadium on Tuesday.  The playoff game at Mapfre is a sellout. ... This is a ringing testament to the #SaveTheCrew movement — and to the generations of Columbus soccer fans and the hundreds of local businesses, large and small, who feel victimized by the team’s proposed move to Austin.
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The problem here is ... the owners don’t want to sell.  The Columbus Partnership has already made a handsome offer to buy a half-stake in the franchise.  The idea behind the offer was to invest the community and work toward a workable solution on a new, downtown stadium.  Precourt was not interested.

There exists a mountain of evidence that says Precourt has long been bent on taking Columbus’ team to Austin, and that MLS — commissioner Don Garber, in particular — has been swooning over the idea, and for years.  ...  Everyone involved understands that the case being made by Precourt and MLS is built on specious claims — central among them, that Columbus fans and local businesses are insufficient partners for the league now, after three decades.  The available evidence, often brought to light by intrepid citizen-journalists, is much to the contrary.  I highly recommend a visit to www.crewnotdoneyet.com, or a Twitter click on the “What’s the Truth” study compiled and disseminated by @timmyers15.  Also, www.SaveTheCrew.com is a local treasure.

#SaveTheCrew is Columbus’ best chance for justice.  Whatever happens, Massive doesn’t move.

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Re: Columbus Crew Discussion
« Reply #1343 on: November 16, 2017, 10:18:41 AM »
https://www.massivereport.com/2017/11/15/16658826/alex-fischer-andrew-ginther-disappointed-following-meeting-with-anthony-precourt-and-don-garber-mls

Precourt is sounding like an entitled douche.

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We were extremely disappointed that no concrete offer or proposal was presented and that the City of Columbus then told us that it would not communicate with us past today.

The city doesn't owe you ****, jackass.

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« Reply #1344 on: November 16, 2017, 10:37:48 AM »
I wonder if this could eventually lead to a sort of "day of reckoning" among sports franchise owners when talk comes up of trying to get a city to pay for a new stadium. Maybe the dynamics are different with MLS vs. the NFL, but I'd like to hope that Columbus saying "we aren't going to be held hostage by you" would send a strong message to other cities to stand their ground. Alternatively, if the City manages to essentially "call Precourt's bluff", other team owners won't have as much of a leg to stand on when trying to extort money from a city.

But of course, it's all a racket anyway and I'm sure teams would come up with some new way to steal money from taxpayers.

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« Reply #1345 on: November 16, 2017, 10:52:26 AM »
Either the MLS wants to be like the NHL which invests in its markets long term (see: Arizona) or it's going to be the Arena Football League and bounce from city to city depending on which cities are "sexy" (aka new market = increase in attendance for ~10 years).

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« Reply #1346 on: November 16, 2017, 11:01:08 AM »
I wonder if this could eventually lead to a sort of "day of reckoning" among sports franchise owners when talk comes up of trying to get a city to pay for a new stadium. Maybe the dynamics are different with MLS vs. the NFL, but I'd like to hope that Columbus saying "we aren't going to be held hostage by you" would send a strong message to other cities to stand their ground.

As a former Charger fan and a proponent of fiscal responsibility, who believes that Dean Spanos is a spoiled, cowardly, idiotic, lying snake, I wish the city of San Diego would have bent over backwards to keep the team there.

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« Reply #1347 on: November 16, 2017, 02:20:02 PM »
https://www.massivereport.com/2017/11/15/16658826/alex-fischer-andrew-ginther-disappointed-following-meeting-with-anthony-precourt-and-don-garber-mls

Precourt is sounding like an entitled douche.

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The city doesn't owe you ****, jackass.

SI soccer reporter Grant Wahl agrees:  https://twitter.com/GrantWahl/status/930997237337022464


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« Reply #1348 on: November 16, 2017, 02:23:19 PM »
To be fair, I think I ripped off the sentiment from him lol.

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« Reply #1349 on: November 16, 2017, 03:22:54 PM »
Crew season ticket push began as MLS lobbyist emailed Austin officials about 'unbelievable opportunity'

On Aug. 3, Columbus Crew SC season ticket holders got a "save the date" email to drum up interest for "priority list" 2018 packages.

What they weren't told was that 2018 could be the team's last year in town.

Six days later, Richard Suttle, a registered lobbyist for Major League Soccer in Austin, Texas, was sending emails to Austin City Council members.

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